The UK and the US are both sending military assistance to Israel to commit a calculated and deliberate act of genocide, which is already underway.
Over 500 children have been killed in Gaza in the last week and over 2,000 maimed, many with life changing injuries. Nobody can claim they do not know what is already happening or what is about to unfold. The cutting off of food and water to Gaza is a major international crime, which the western proponents of the “rules based order” universally refuse to condemn.
In both the UK and the US there can be no more stark illustration of the lack of any kind of meaningful democracy, than the fact that there is no major political party that opposes the genocide – despite massive public opposition.
The bought and paid for media and political class in the west are extremely nervous, throughout the western world. Now they have come to the final genocide for which zionism has always aimed, they face a good deal of popular resistance.
Throughout Europe there is a massive gap between the zionist unanimity of the politicians and the much greater understanding of the Palestinian situation among the general public. Tellingly the response by the zionist political class has been a wave of outright fascist suppression.
In France, Macron has made all pro-Palestinian demonstrations illegal, but as so often the French people are not standing for that kind of authoritarianism.
In the UK, the police have adopted the cowardly tactic of arresting a couple of individuals, one in Brighton and one in Manchester, for pro-Palestinian demonstration. Under Tony Blair’s notorious draconian “anti-terror” legislation, they could face up to 14 years in prison.
The young man in Manchester was arrested on the precise site of the famous “Peterloo massacre”, which generations of British people were taught at school was a terrible crime in breach of the rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Let the irony of that set in.
You can go out in the streets of the UK with an Israeli flag and yell that you want every Palestinian to be cleansed from Gaza. That is not illegal. If you say the Palestinians have a right to resist their genocide, that is illegal.
That appears to be a genuine analysis of the law in the UK, France and many other western countries.
That is intended to terrify all of us. It will not work.
The European Commission has been ferociously zionist and gung-ho for this Palestinian genocide. It displayed the Israeli flag on its Berlaymont headquarters. It has taken a side in the most ferocious way.
It is therefore deeply sinister that the European Commission is actively working to shut down pro-Palestinian information and comment on social media. The European Commission has written to all major social media organisations and is able to threaten them with massive fines if they do not remove information of which the European Union disapproves.
Following the terrorist attacks by Hamas against 🇮🇱, we have indications of X/Twitter being used to disseminate illegal content & disinformation in the EU.
Urgent letter to @elonmusk on #DSA obligations ⤵️ pic.twitter.com/avMm1LHq54
— Thierry Breton (@ThierryBreton) October 10, 2023
The notion is plainly nonsense that through the fog of war the European Commission – which is 100% parti pris – is qualified to say what information is true and what information is false, and what comment is legitimate.
Thierry Breton, the European Commissioner in charge of this operation, is a former chief executive of electronic companies – and defence contractors – Atos and Thomson. He has no genuine interest in freedom of speech, and is engaged in a process of silencing dissent for military aims, which is quite simply fascist.
We are witnessing almost all western governments deliberately facilitating massacre, ethnic cleansing and genocide. We are witnessing almost all western governments turning on their own people to crush dissent at that complicity in genocide.
This feels not so much like the week that western democracy died, as the week it was impossible any longer to deny that western democracy died some time ago.
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Still at least we can enjoy the black comedy of the British media tying themselves in knots trying to justify a far-right, racist regime committing genocide against an ethnic minority. Not surprisingly, the Guardian’s wooden-tops seem to be wittering about other things this week. Even more satisfying is that a large proportion of the public clearly don’t believe a word of it.
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The operatives who interrogated Craig Murray must surely know, if they have any education at all, that he belongs to a fine tradition of British radicals, men and women who speak out against what they see as injustice and are prepared to suffer for their views, even though at times they may appear holier than thou.
The people who did this should consider: they are not working to support British traditions or values insisted they are acting in the interest of foreign powers, and as such are traitors.
While even to think of such things is to tread in a minefield, I wonder how much of the administration of our country and how many important decisions are nowadays made by people who – to put it delicately – were not imbued in their youth with British values, and whose cultural background renders them impatient with British rights and ways of thinking.
The issue is it’s a proscribed organisation.
I was concerned when I saw his tweet. Although, he added an important qualification ;namely, “in the coming genocide” , therefore, there’s no suggestion he’s expressed wider support for their recent atrocities in Israel. He abhors the deaths of all noncombatants.
And who decided that Hamas was to be “proscribed”? I think we should be told. Such decisions apparently appear in mid air and float down to us peasants for our edification.
It’s a bit rich, as Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. All the West’s definitions of “terrorism” are careful to insist that only non-government organisations can be terrorists. (Of course!)
If Hamas can be “proscribed”, why can’t the US government, the UK government, and NATO? They have killed far more people – literally, thousands of times more – in order to enforce their wishes.
The Israeli lobbying operation is very influential. that influence comes in many forms, as we know in the UK. Even more so the US, where raising funds to fight elections is an ongoing process, and can make or break a campaign. Endorsement by AIPAC is also seen as essential to success.
If the Sunni Arab states were less selfish and more united, maybe they could wield similar influence for Palestine. The playboy Gulf princes see religious fundamentalism as a threat to themselves though. And the poorer Arab states, like Egypt and Jordan are hooked on US ‘military aid for regime survival. That’s why Iran has been able to become the champion of the Palestinian cause to a large degree, despite being Shia.
It isn’t a lobby, it’s a proxy that threatens people who dissent from the US state line. The British state has got into the proxy business to creep up American Caesar’s arse.
The UK is effectively a one party state at the moment. Even more so than the US.
I watched Rep. Mike Gaetz tearing the Director of the FBI, Christopher Wray, a new one over unauthorised FISA queries. And we’ve got no one in the UK with that kind of passion for civil liberties. He did the same over the missing Biden laptop. I probably wouldn’t agree with Gaetz on much, politically, but you can see why he’s a rising star : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8yDpkNmqZk
We need more politicians like this. The guardian calls these, mainly Republican politicians who ask questions, ‘Trump extremists’ or conspiracy theorists, but they are actually people doing their job properly, fearlessly representing the public.
Rep. Matt Gaetz , my bad. typo.
At least I spelt his surname correctly.
Longer version of the heated exchange. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrEbyNmrSQY
Embarrassing enough for once mighty Britannia to be puppeted by the U.S.A. But this level of debasement nobody could have seen coming. Arresting its own citizens to impress some little pipshit country, whom they are helping to genocide helpless children?
How far are the mighty fallen.
Yes, but it’s not “mighty Britannia” that’s doing the arresting. It’s a small clique of people who in no way represent the British people, and who have no mandate.
Tom, Do not expect it to get better under The People’s Sir Keir. It will get worse.
Oh, I don’t. I agree with you that Labour would be even worse. If there are still Liberals of any kind, they would be worst of all. They are the true masters of self-deception.
The best thing you can say about the “Conservatives” is that, while not particularly intelligent, they are sensible enough to know very well that they are lying and betraying. It’s just that they don’t care.
I’m kinda torn, in that I’d love the Tories to finish third and disappear altogether from the British political stage. But giving Labour a huge majority isn’t appealing either. Nor in any way do they deserve that. Also, all the wrong conclusions will be drawn from that. Hmm… what to do?
And… I actually think Labour/Starmer will fail spectacularly in office, faceplant style. Starmer-led Labour have not a shred of principle between them, no ideological underpinnings, no purpose beyond gaining power. It’ll literally be just political improvisation day to day, month to month, coping. They’ll be like a leaves driven by the wind. Any crisis will potentially break them.
Ultimately, I actually want both big parties to be seen to fail, to usher in PR. We’ve waited long enough for a real democracy.
The Tories can at least tolerate a figure like Crispin Blunt within their party, publicly accusing the leadership of complicity in war crimes.
Sir Keir would never tolerate that.
As I keep saying, the best course for citizens is to sit tight and never vote at all. That would demonstrate the withdrawal of legitimacy.
If asked, I would reply, “I shall vote when I see a candidate worthy of my vote”. I refuse to make a choice of evils – which is still choosing evil.
“Ultimately, I actually want both big parties to be seen to fail, to usher in PR. We’ve waited long enough for a real democracy.”
Tinkering with the voting system is not going to change an oligarchy into a democracy. However our legislators are elected, the oligarchs will continue to suborn or ignore them. In any case, Israel has PR and look who they have elected.
Aristotle pointed out, nearly 2500 years ago, that any “democracy” reliant on elections is a transparent fraud. Because the rich simply buy the votes they need to establish and maintain control.
Which is exactly what you can watch happening in most, if not all, modern “democracies”. The money isn’t usually paid to individual voters (worse luck), but spent on mass brainwashing – generally known as advertising or PR.
The saddest thing is that mass brainwashing works like a charm.
I think frankly most people do sit tight and do not vote at all – save some few of the middle class with illusions still in “democracy”. The turnout at the last by election was in the mid 30% meaning the ludicrously hyped up “Labour victory” was a complete media/establishment contrick – and the notion of a “tsunami of change” or whatever crap phrases were used, is total nonsense. Faith in Parliament and the press has been dropping since the 1950s – including Blair’s fatcat-ism which was never more than a minority vote even in the “landslide” of 1997.
“Aristotle pointed out, nearly 2500 years ago, that any “democracy” reliant on elections is a transparent fraud. Because the rich simply buy the votes they need to establish and maintain control.”
The other problem is that people think tribally and vote tribally: “them and us”, “our side and the other side”, “if you are not with us, you are against us”.
According to the Grayzone, Mr Nast, the police asked our host whether anyone else could publish content on his blog. Hello? Hello! Hello, rozzers…it’s the Comments Section!
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/17/assange-craig-murray-detained-uk-terror/
Apparently, our host’s lawyers speculate that the cops may think he’s been in proximity with someone they consider to have been a terrorist – in which case they should also arrest the Eagles of Death Metal.
” The operatives who interrogated Craig Murray must surely know, if they have any education at all, that he belongs to a fine tradition of British radicals ”
I would be surprised if the rank and file plod who detained Craig have even heard of him. The order to hold him must’ve come from higher up the food chain.
Is he still in police custody? I hope he holds his nerve and remembers the French publisher Ernest Moret who was held under the same Schedule 7, charged for not cooperating but ultimately wasn’t prosecuted.
Fortunately, he was released after a few hours, Pears, allowing him to celebrate his 65th birthday with family & friends:
https://nitter.net/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1714392225042346042
Without charge I hope.
showing your distain for ordinary folk Pears, how not surprising. When I was plod what was noticeable was how diverse the force was in knowledge and attitude. Definately not to be trusted by those “higher up in the food chain” hence the reason to disarm them in the 1850s and to keep it that way ever since.
I dont understand how the west could be so insensitive about dissent. For decades multiple millions of arabs, muslims have immigrated to the EU, and now when many of them really want to make their voice heard (freedom of expression as west have touted…) in protesting against Israel they are forbidden to do so!? I am a westerner and even I are livid, I can’t phantom how angry, sad the callous EU censorship on this particular group make them feel during these times.
This banning of protests/flags etc how can it be legal – it is not only a human right to protest, it is humane to protest when you see horrible crimes being commited! Why are no one bringing this oppression/censorship to court?
Meanwhile 6 palestinians killed, when UN school is bombed
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-iran-warns-resistance-front-may-attack
And Israel have latest hours bombed both Lebanon and boasted that US will possibly get involved against any state trying to stop them, sick sick people.
Israel national security adviser predicts US ‘involvement’ if war escalates
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-iran-warns-resistance-front-may-attack
It may seem very cynical, but I suspect that if there is a big plan behind Hamas’ breakout – which I think there may be – it involves drawing Israel into a war, and then drawing the USA in too.
The more people they kill and maim, the more children they orphan, the more people they make homeless, the more laws and treaties they break, the quicker the global majority will turn its back on them and cast them out.
More to dish the Zionist-Saud rapprochement I think.
King of Jordan meets German Chancellor
“No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt; that is a red line.”
Jordan hosts the biggest number of Palestinian refugees among other countries in the Middle East. About 2 million people, who fled areas of Palestine that came under Israeli control in 1948-49 and later during the 1968 Six-Day War
“Enough is enough; we cannot continue the cycle of violence every single year.
Unless there is a political horizon that brings Israelis and Palestinians together, that allows Israelis and Arabs to come together, this will continue to be a cycle of violence that none of us can afford.”
The source is Jordan news agency Petra and they run English version of the site
https://petra.gov.jo/Include/InnerPage.jsp?ID=53652&lang=en&name=en_news&cat=en_news
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I find it quite similar to the situation in Donbass. Eastern leaders call for a political solution, Western leaders shout Bring more weapons!
Just as in Donbas people wanted a separate government of its own, so in Palestine there is a question about a second state. Just as in Ukraine the pro-Western government fired on the rebellious population, so in Gaza the pro-Western government fires on the rebellious population. And also in both cases there is a stunningly cynical attitude towards human lives.
One commentator on Ru-net speculated that the area occupied by the Palestinians (Gaza and the West Bank) is about a quarter of the area occupied by Israel. Perhaps Israel would like to increase their territories by a quarter. This could be compared with Russia and the European Union, which is also approximately 1/4 the area of Russia.
If you’re not one of the 8.9m who have viewed this already since yesterday, then please check it out (23 secs):
The BBC admits that it misled the public about pro-Palestinian demonstrations in the UK.
https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1713968039580881215
thx!
but sry, this is a level of infantility – Hamas baaaad, Palestinians, er, okay?
…”and now the weather” (isn´t usually sports being reported before the weather?)
BBC the trees and the forest
It would not surprise myself if the BBC put up the old Test Card when they don’t know what to say/do.
Or The Potters Wheel for a week for arse cover until things die down
What we are are witnessing is not just a political denial but a denial of facts.
BBC Verify has a lot of work to do even though they are showing us the actuality from their
own recordings.
It is like walking on a bed of nails for them but because they are blindfolded they can’t confirm or deny anything.
They may not be nails.
This reporting from another planet – for all the MSM and they are not up to the job.
Are we surprised?
Some infighting going on,
Europe urged to take 1m Gazans if it ‘cares about human rights so much’
Egyptian official’s reported comment comes as European Council president Charles Michel warns conflict risks ‘migratory waves’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/17/egypt-government-official-europe-million-refugees-sinai/
Wonderful backlash especially for the stupid right-wing-pro-israeli parties in the EU that egged on Israel past week. Apparently they had no idea that there would be a refuee crisis because of israeli mayhem and that many of the refugees might end up in europe. That is what you get for supporting Israel. Karma.
There are reports all that some 500 palestinians have been killed in israeli attack against a hospital:
An Israeli air strike has hit al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City where thousands of civilians are seeking medical treatment and shelter from relentless attacks.
Gaza health ministry says at least 500 casualties in hospital blast. A UN-run school housing refugees also struck
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/16/israel-hamas-war-live-iran-warns-resistance-front-may-attack
I have no words left. But I do hope that the ugly people in the EU, US finally have some words for Israel. Call it what it is – a genocide.
Obviously this is a simple mistake anyone could have made. And the IDF are “looking into it”, so if there really is any blame, we can be confident that it will all be sorted out.
So – no need to go dragging Israeli diplomats in front of ministers to explain themselves, nor will the fearless news organisations trouble Israeli spokespeople to go condemning this (and the IDF) over and over, before the spokesperson is allowed to comment on anything else at all.
Perhaps the EU (and British) buildings will have Palestinian flags adorning them for a while in sympathy? No?
a German government paper was “leaked” (well nobody will be put in prison for that)
but better than not publishing it:
German-language:
https://www.telepolis.de/features/Internes-Papier-Bundesregierung-wirft-Israel-mangelnden-Schutz-von-Zivilisten-in-Gaza-vor-9336930.html
harsh internal criticism on Israeli attacks. From the report about the leak:
“(…)
Representatives of the German Foreign Office and various federal ministries have expressed shock at Israel’s massive attacks on the densely populated Gaza Strip.
An internal paper of a working group of ministries and federal bodies released yesterday (Monday) speaks of Israeli attacks of unprecedented severity. At the same time, the internal minutes (…) state that the Israeli army is not providing sufficient protection for the civilian population.
If the Israeli army continues to disregard international law, it threatens to move to the level of the Islamist attackers. It is therefore important to emphasize, the paper literally states, “that the humanitarian law of war and the protection of civilians are what make democracies stronger than terrorists.”
This clear language in the minutes of the EU Coordination Group at the German Foreign Office is remarkable. After all, since the terrorist attacks on Israel by Islamist-armed groups on October 7, the German government has been noticeably reticent about publicly criticizing the Israeli armed forces.
(…)”.
Again it shows you how little educated those Foreign Office folks are or how obedient.
But even they know this is madness.
As pointed out earlier re: Moon of Alabama and Pretzlattack´s post – there might be more to this than just ignoring human rights and expel the natives. For that you dont need 150 US fighter aircraft and 4 submarines as part of 2 (!) carrier groups.
The moronic Scholz is in Israel right now, right when Isreal dropped a bomb on or near a hosptial killing hundreds!
You cannot make this stupid ministers up,
Scholz takes cover in bomb shelter as alarm sounds in Tel Aviv
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-17/ty-article-live/biden-set-to-visit-israel-on-wednesday-israeli-army-strikes-more-than-200-hamas-targets/0000018b-3b3b-d450-a3af-7b3f775c0000?liveBlogItemId=305880166#305880166
Schholz with his Holocaust guilt just got another guilt right served in front of him.
of course, Scholz is a complete idiot and may be worse he is being dishonest. There is no way with his past to no understand what is happening.
What he is doing is suppressing his better judgement for career reasons. You see what happened with frm. chancellor Schröder. He supported the Russians by suggesting talks. He disobeyed. He was ousted completely. Even though he laid the ground for the destruction of the unions and the alignment of the SPD with the neoliberals. He paved the way for Scholz´ “success” in the first place.
And even though Scholz was his main foot soldier no public relation between both today. So Scholz is currently deceiving almost everyone from his past. Question is, will he remain unharmed in terms of the ongoing investigations against him during his time as Mayor of Hamburg.
This is a war crime, but the ICC will NEVER prosecute the Zionists for committing it.
“Israel just bombed Al Ahli Hospital while it was full of patients.
It is estimated that between 200 and 300 human beings were killed in there.”
https://nitter.net/Lowkey0nline/status/1714328974946447531#m
Remember when Russia was accused of bombing a hospital in Ukraine?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_hospital_airstrike
Then 5 civilians died, 5 is too much of course and the west called it a warcrime:
Josep Borrell, the European Union head of Foreign Affairs, described the bombing as a war crime.[2] James Heappey, British Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Armed Forces, said that whether hitting the hospital was indiscriminate fire into a built-up area or a deliberate targeting, “it [was] a war crime”.[4] Ukrainian leaders have echoed similar sentiments.[3]
Now we have an israeli strike that did not kill 5 but perhaps as many as 500. Where is Borrell and Co. now? They cant be silent this, they just cant.
At least 500, at the current count.
It seems odd, though – all Corporate media and all government officials have been explaining for the last week or so how wonderful Israel is, they’re the Good Guys, and how they’re all behind them 100%.
Was the EU, Sunak&Starmer etc. etc. really giving this tacit approval in advance? Are they going to explain that Israel has a perfect right to do this?
Oh they will at the most call for an investigation to kick the can further away, an investigation that will go on for months and lead to nowhere.
They’ll just say they had intelligence that Hamas was holed up there or storing weapons. Do they even need an excuse? They can do no wrong in US eyes. If they nuked Gaza, US politicians would find some way to justify it as proportionate.
Most of the rockets fired out of Gaza are more like glorified fireworks. Sure, they are scary for Israelis on the receiving end. but the chance of being injured is tiny , certainly compared to these ‘bunker buster’ bombs and bombs that level apartment blocks Israel’s dropping in the thousands. It’s like comparing a scratch to having your legs blown off.
“They’ll just say they had intelligence that Hamas was holed up there or storing weapons”.
That doesn’t fly with anyone who has a clue. It doesn’t get off the ground, it doesn’t even turn over its engines.
It’s deeds that matter, not what led to them. If the Israelis really expect us to believe that their brilliant intelligence people are that incompetent, their first goal should be to get some decent intelligence people.
“They’ll just say they had intelligence that Hamas was holed up there or storing weapons. ”
Well prophesied, that’s exactly what they said. So one of the rules in the “rules-based order” is that it is OK to kill women, children and medical staff, so long as some fighters are killed as well.
” “They’ll just say they had intelligence that Hamas was holed up there or storing weapons”.
That doesn’t fly with anyone who has a clue. It doesn’t get off the ground, it doesn’t even turn over its engines. ”
It has ‘flown’ well in Ukraine when the Russians have bombed civilians, maternity hospitals etc.
recommended interview:
“Judge Napolitano Palestinians and Ukrainians join others as victims of US foreign policy with frm. US Marine and war veteran Matt Hoh”
I wonder what British security people arresting individuals like Craig Murray would respond in private were they to watch an interview between Judge Napolitano and Matthew Hoh, a frm. US Marine who due to his “service” in Afghanistan as Company Commander is a 100% disabled war veteran.
Hoh talks about Gaza and the militarization of US Foreign Policy which he is ashamed of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8GwtdSt17w
Ok… We’re sending military aid to a fascist regime which is commiting genocide.
No matter what the enemy does, a ‘Western democracy’ is meant to adhere to its loudly proclaimed ‘values’, isn’t it? Is revenge one of those precious values? Is collective punishment one? Suppression of dissent?
Meanwhile, the legacy propaganda press & TV are in lockstep, carefully starting each piece or broadcast from an Israeli perspective, such that an ignorant viewer (sadly there are many) is easily manipulated into a pro-Western, pro-Israel mindset. ‘Both sides’ blah blah, ‘self defence’ blah blah, ‘terrorists’ blah blah.
The facts remain. Bombing the most densely populated area on Earth is guaranteed to kill large numbers of civilians. Cutting off food, water and power to cilvilans will harm or kill them.
The Israeli regime was already a total disgrace before this latest horror, and our ‘leaders’ want us to ‘Stand with them’? Fuck off!
I don’t know what can be done now to help the Palestinians, but I know what not to do: vote in the next General Deception.
As has been clearly demonstrated, there is zero difference between Sunak and Starmer. They are both in thrall to Israel and that will never change.
Over millions of years, we didn’t evolve to live in massive, beauracratic hierarchies.
We have no say in what they do. Yet they start all the wars and dictate all the (ever increasing number of) rules and laws we must obey.
We are ruled by a bunch of complete psychopaths.
As long as goverments exist, war will never cease.
“No matter what the enemy does, a ‘Western democracy’ is meant to adhere to its loudly proclaimed ‘values’, isn’t it?”
Have you noticed that they never actually say what those “values” are? To do so would make it too obvious that they spit on them every day.
There’s democracy – which they are great pains to suppress.
Freedom of speech – Messrs Assange and Murray, among many others, could tell us something about that.
“Diversity” – as long as we all agree to think and say the same.
Exactly, ‘Western values’ is just a hypocritical dog whistle. Under scrutiny, it melts away.
A Chinese publication said it best : ‘The rules based order is just hypocrisy masquerading as principle’
I wish the UN were stronger and more respected today. But alas the US aided by the UK, couldn’t tolerate losing votes, so its leadership was fixed, its delegates spied on and blackmailed, undermining it completely. I’m not saying the Russians and Chinese are angels, but they didn’t interfere and undermine the UN, OPCW, IAEA and other important organisations’ operational independence.
The UN was created by the victors in WWII as an instrument of continued control. It has not been undermined, its mask has just slipped.
in my opinion, it goes something like this:
guys, over the last couple of hundred years of human history, we have had the opportunity to wrest technical superiority, so let’s make every effort to preserve it. at any cost.
Silly uneducated people. At different historical intervals, these “values” were proclaimed by all sorts of fashionable empires of their time. Vikings, Mongols, Egyptians, Alexander the Great, Osman’s, USSR. Now NATO and EU and the US. Historians will find a good name.
I suggest: self-service vanity fair, naked king, lie. Or, simply The Garden (c) Joseph Borrell
Alas, they are in fact ‘educated’ people. Fake ‘intelligence’ has got us here.
Gradually, the pursuit of control over (rather than respect for) Nature took over.
The result has been exploitation of natural resources, of people, (in fact, of anything), in the name of profit.
Now, an unaccountable Elite, a shadow state – whatever you want to call it – pulls the strings. They are not particularly intelligent, and not at all wise, but they have all the military hardware. There is a good chance they will doom us all.
Tatyana, on a side note:
…since you mention the “Gardener” trope I went back to John le Carré´s polit thriller novel “The Constant Gardener” from 2000 I believe, which of course is a positive character but initially Carré said in an interview he had started out with the title “Mad Gardener” – which sounded much cooler and would fit Borrell very well…and eventually takes me to the latest unconvincing James Bond installment where the bad guy is in fact a “mad gardener” indeed…if Borrell had that one in mind?
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Gaza strip is 365 km2
Ukraine is 604000 km2
Note that in just 1 week, Israel have dropped atleast 7000 missiles in Gaza according to themselves.
So far since the Hamas attack, Israel has fired over 7,000 missiles at targets in Gaza.
https://aish.com/israels-response-in-gaza/
Compare that with Russia that “only” dropped 3400 missiles during the first 5 mounth of the war!
Ukrainian officials provided Reuters with exclusive data showing there were 3,654 Russian missile strikes on the country between Feb. 24 – the day of the invasion – and July 21.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-russia-missiles-chips/
That really gives some perspective of how brutal Israel really are. But this is what dehumanization leads to, Israel call the Gazans animals and they now run in fear and panic trapped in this strip, nowhere to go. Nothing but sadistic intent.
Ssshhurely we’re a) being encouraged to hang Palestinian flags everywhere, and b) preparing to welcome them by the 100Ks as refugees, just like the brave Ukrainians?
Not kidding so much about the latter. Do we expect all 2.5 million of them to simply give up and die? Perhaps the EU expects Israel to kill them all – in fairness, they’re trying. Otherwise, there’s going to be one heck of an influx of refugees, and we’ll be rather pushed to say they have no case, and it’s safe for them to return. We have ensured that Israel was given every encouragement to kill or push them out, creating a massive refugee crisis – and we would do well to remember who cheered it on.
glenn-nl
I honestly think that Netanyahu wants to make Gaza into a No Man’s Land.
Scorched Earth – call it what you like – but the idea seems to be to empty Gaza (at least)
and literally turn it into a Chernobyl area without the radioactivity of Hamas.
I have no doubt that at the moment the Egyptian government is being bribed to take in the Gazan’s at least.
The area will be sealed off.
The problem for the West is that it thinks only IT can play chess.
That is a grave error in my opinion.
Meanwhile in Ukraine………………….
They’ve always been the same. Israel was forged by terrorism and violence. They take the Old Testament view when it comes to settling disputes.
What I especially dislike is how the UK media are using this event to question every Muslim’s loyalties, demanding people from Palestine denounce Hamas, as if somehow personally responsible for its military wing’s decisions. See Layla Moran MP’s treatment on GMTV.
Are British Jews being asked to similarly denounce Israel’s violent excesses? No, because of the warped fear in authority of being accused of antisemitism. The new PC bible of political parties’ the IHRA, seemingly contradicts itself and tries to have it both ways; by rightly saying Jews can’t collectively be held responsible for the actions of the state of Israel. Yet it also forbids criticism of Israel as a racist endeavour, as if the two are inherently linked.
Layla Moran is of course a Christian Palestinian.
Well said Goose, I totally agree. Craig Murray said, some time ago, that it was decided that the BBC should become more Israeli friendly. So Thompson, one of Murdoch’s newspaper editors, was sent there. At the time, i did wonder WHO was involved in that decision. It seems that the media, including social media is dominated by Jewish people, let alone Google & Yahoo etc. Incidentally, Thomson became the editor of the New York Times.
Pakistan and Iran have close military cooperation, which is strengthening.
Sadly, recognising truth has not conferred any evolutionary advantage to humans. It takes an effort to discern fact from fiction, which, in an age of ubiquitous lies and disinformation, is not energetically worthwhile in the short term (which is what we have evolved to exist for/in).
All that’s happening now is facilitated by our evolutionary lack of ability to deal with our capacity to manipulate and propagandize. That doesn’t mean lies have to be accepted.
It comes down to a choice to accept the truth.
To all the commenters here supporting Israel: All you have is lies. Look past your fear. Perceive truth.
Jackson Hinkle has been putting in a shift on TwitterX tonight to expose Israel’s lies, Bob – and he’s just picked up 30,000 new followers in an hour! Unfortunately, he’s probably also now on Mossad’s hit-list, as well as the GUR’s.
https://nitter.net/jacksonhinklle/status/1714387337633833398
Here is a good article:
https://www.medialens.org/2023/the-absolute-right-to-commit-war-crimes-gaza-israel-and-labour-opposition/
And another:
https://indi.ca/the-west-is-showing-its-whole-genocidal-ass/
Well, looks like the Zionist genocidal final solution to its Palestinian problem in their Gaza concentration camp is going to plan.
Starmer’s defence of the indefensible – on which he is beginning to back-pedal – really ought to backfire on him.
But who knows?
Current information suggests that the US ordered the Pakistni military to remove Imran Kahn because he was not joining the US in criticising Russia for “invading” Ukraine.
I do not believe Russia had any reasonable alternative. Waiting for more atrocities by the Ukrane/US/Paleo-Nazi regime.??? Note all nations have neo-Nazis but Ukraine has Nazis left over from World War II, hence paleo-Nazis
This should be embarassing to any European paper:
“Israel Ready to Arrest Journalists for Reporting Facts”
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/17/israel-ready-to-arrest-journalists-for-reporting-facts/
“Israeli Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi has drafted regulations that will empower him to order police to arrest journalists for factual reporting and target anyone he believes has damaged national morale during Israel’s ongoing war against Gaza.”
Such a move is completely unnecessary in the EU.
And people seem to not see the problem of media parroting their government.
Regardless of what the content is – by design that´s deeply flawed.
Anyone should see that. It´s common sense.
Israeli State caught brazenly lying :
Social media accounts belonging to the State of Israel and the Israeli ambassador to the US have deleted a video post claiming that a rocket fired from within Gaza caused the deadly explosion at Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City. The video showed a barrage of rockets being fired, with one appearing to go off-course in a downward trajectory, followed by the flash of an apparent explosion.
Both accounts were edited after Aric Toler, a journalist with the New York Times visual investigations team, questioned the time stamps on the video. Those time stamps indicated that the video was recorded at least 40 minutes after the explosion at the hospital was first publicly reported, Toler said.”
Maybe they thought, if Ukraine, the UK and US can get away with misattributions, so can we?
The only small positive takeaway from this, is that they are actually ashamed enough about what they’re doing, that they feel the need to lie about it.
They are NOT ashamed. You grant these people too much integrity.
If you are caught lying too many times even our dimwit reporters will start doubting you an your genocidal actions.
Hypocrisy will carry you only so far.
or to again quote “The Three Days of the Condor”: “You think not getting caught in a lie is the same as telling the truth.”
That film btw is about war games in the Middle East. Not by accident.
Sad how little has in fact changed…or rather it has only gotten worse. At least if you look at our governments.
They are still arguing over time stamps and various footage because it’s a PR disaster.
JDAM explosion looks exactly the same and sound analysis matches, irrefutable proof will emerge. The United States recently delivered a large number of JDAM bombs. If it was a targeting error they should say so. They are dropping so many bombs thousands & thousands ,arguing over one seems ridiculous
Yes. Even the shameless BBC has had to fire or sideline a number of its own reporters recently, just because they let a little truth leak out.
In Berlin apparently the local government has now decided to prohibit “Free Palestine” stickers or any pro Palestinian slogans in High schools.
Wearing so-called Palestinian scarfs in the fashion of the late Arafat will be prohibited.
School directorates are supposed to report on students to the police if not following that rule.
Whether this will be executed or not, the idea in itself is breath-taking.
German info:
https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=105403
Berlin´s educational senator:
“(…)”Any demonstrative action or expression of opinion that can be understood as advocating or approving the attacks against Israel or supporting the terrorist organizations that carry them out, such as Hamas or Hezbollah, constitutes a threat to school peace in the current situation and is prohibited.(…)”
this includes:
“The visible wearing of relevant articles of clothing (e.g. the kufiya known as the Palestinian scarf).
The display of stickers and stickers with inscriptions such as “free Palestine”
or a map of Israel in the colors of Palestine (white, red, black, green).
Cries of “free Palestine!” and demonstrative verbal support for Hamas and its terrorism.”
“(…)”In addition, you and school personnel should report suspected cases of criminal activity to the police immediately.”(…)”
Can you Brits top that?
AG
The German constitution Article 5, says with certain limits: Every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his opinions in speech, writing, and pictures and to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources.
I suppose ‘certain limits’ has allowed politicians to broaden the definitions of what should be limited considerably. Give these politicians an inch to take our civil liberties and they’ll take a mile. It seems like in every country in Europe, citizens are having to fight to preserve basic hard won rights from authoritarian minded politicians and overreaching officials.
With such a large Muslim population in Germany, is forcing people to bottle up their emotions over the treatment of Gazans wise? That which can’t be expressed peacefully in a protest, will quite likely be expressed violently at some point. Then all the politicians will act like nothing could have prevented that.
It also radicalises people who feel, rightly or wrongly, that Israel’s hatred for the Palestinians is shared by their own biased govt.
This is precisely the issue noone dares talk about in Geman public.
I assume it is being discussed in advanced studies re: law. But those are priviledged closed circles.
Art. 5 might grant freedom of speech. However it is explicitely curtailed by §130 (originally on “war crimes and genocidal acts in particular Nazim and WWII.)
see following court decision of the Highest German Court, the Constitutional Court – Verfassungsgericht, responsible for any of these questions – in 2009:
“§ Section 130 (4) of the German Criminal Code is compatible with Article 5 (1) and (2) of the German Constitution.”
https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2009/bvg09-129.html
The occasion was a public event to the honour of Nazi Rudolf Heß (the same Heß who would land in Britain in 1941 by plane).
The event was prohibited as it over-stepped the liberties of freedom of speech as confined by §130.
The Court´s decision is worth a read btw.
Particularly because with November 2022 this §130 has been expanded to genocidal acts and war crimes without further specifications such as Nazism and apology of the Third Reich. Now it can be applied to any topic or conflict.
In essence (this is not in upper link which is from 2009) the latest change threatens any public statement not condeming the Russian attack on Ukraine. As it´s true intention was understood by most people.
However with the current Israeli attack and possible future UN rulings I am not sure if the same §130 could not be used against justifying Israeli genocide as defined by the Rome Statute.
This matter is of the highest importance for any society which is why it is not being discussed broadly in Germany.
The expansion of §130 in Nov. happened just before midnight almost bar any parliamentarians in the Bundetag. There was virtually NO dicussion.
thanks for the link AG, does this mean that I have to leave my ‘stand with Palestine’ t shirt, sporting a small Palestinian flag is now verboten? Even criminal?
One wonders whether the ‘Julian Assange = Political prisoner t shirt, will also be regarded under the same ‘catch all Nazis’ legislation.
At every husting and electioneering event our careerist wannabe MPs should be asked as to their support for these Zionist war crimes and their support for murdering thousands.
An election boycott on the issue ‘who really runs the UK and it’s Zionist foreign policy’ is the only answer to their spineless complicity, imho.
And don’t think the cowering Lib Dems would take their flag out this murderous I’ll wind, there is no choice anymore.
DO NOT VOTE FOR THE SUPPORTERS OF ZIONIST MURDER!
Biden now has time to be questioned on his unhinged supply of the worst kind of bunker busting ammunitions that is murdering thousands, he is guilty and complicit in the latest atrocities destroying a hospital.
Israel is denying they bombed the hospital. An Israeli spokesman on Newsnight claimed it was an errant Hamas missile and said that 33% of their missiles veer off course, or words to that effect. Yeah, sure, and this one just happened to be a direct hit on a hospital with not only hundreds of wounded and maimed, but thousands of Palestinians sheltering there because they thought it would be safe. And I have little doubt that THAT is one of the reasons Netanyahu and Co ordered the hospital to be bombed, and to make doubly sure that the Palestinians don’t feel safe anywhere, and literally have them in a permanent state of terror that they could be blown to smithereens at any moment.
And the other reason is that it was saying to Iran and Hezbollah ‘Come on then!’
Afterthought: I would imagine that most of the hostages were killed shortly afterwards, as Netanyahu and Co knew they would be.
Like the American, British, and Ukrainian professional liars, they often copy ideas from reality. In Ukraine civilian buildings have sometimes been hit by Ukrainian SAMs that were wrongly aimed. It’s a natural for such slimy liars to repurpose such incidents into “all hits on Palestinian civilians come from Hamas rockets that went astray”.
I’m not sure if this has been posted already, but it seems that Craig has recently experienced some harassment under anti-terror legislation. He must be doing something right!
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/17/assange-craig-murray-detained-uk-terror/
Update: ah, apologies Lapsed Agnostic – you beat me to it.
Whilst I’d like to take the credit, OJM, I should inform you that it was Cynicus who first alerted readers here to our host’s latest interaction with UK law enforcement:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/10/fascism-in-the-west-to-enable-genocide-in-palestine/comment-page-6/#comment-1046678
That Grayzone article by Kit Klarenberg is worth a read for anyone who wants to find out more details though.
Reports from inside Gaza
DANA’S STORY
16 October 2023
‘Imagine, we evacuated our house in Beit Hanoun on the first day, and Beit Hanoun was completely destroyed. Then we went to my grandfather’s house in the city and the occupation sent messages to us that we must evacuate and go to southern Gaza because Gaza city is being completely destroyed. The situation is very bad. I hope that Stay alive’
https://www.handsupproject.org/emergency-blog/danasstory-z3gnh
MALAK’S STORY
17 October 2023
“They are breaking the international laws by cutting off water, internet, electricity and power to the refugee of Gaza. Here we are slowly dying and the world is closing eyes to the truth. While you see your sky in blue, we see it in black. We get tired of the smell the white phosphorus. While you are packing your things for a fun trip, we are packing them to leave our homes under bombing. they destroyed our dreams, our homes, and our memories. While your kids are crying because they can’t find their toys. Our children are crying because they lost their families, their homes. They destroyed our schools, our universities, everything. We are unable to face anything else . What are you waiting for to help us? To see us dead? I’m only 16. Do you expect me to fix all of this?”
https://www.handsupproject.org/emergency-blog/danasstory
RINAN AND RAJA’A PODCAST
17 October 2023
This is a Youtube video. Here is a link to the page.
https://www.handsupproject.org/emergency-blog/podcast2
I cannot access the direct link at the moment because Youtube is not available in China and my VPN has been down for four days.
FOLLOW AND SUPPORT HANDSUP
https://www.handsupproject.org/
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I can’t scroll through nearly 700 posts, sorry if it has been up before, here is Craig’s brave tweet as reported this morning on ICH:
To be entirely plain.
I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation.
But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.
If that is a crime, send me back to jail.
Craig Murray – (@CraigMurrayOrg) October 14, 2023
https://informationclearinghouse.blog/2023/10/17/ex-uk-diplomat-craig-murray-detained-after-declaring-support-for-the-people-of-palestine/
That goes for me too.
A couple of quotes from the latest MediaLens piece:
Last October, Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the EU Commission stated that:
‘Russia’s attacks against civilian infrastructure [in Ukraine], especially electricity, are war crimes.
‘Cutting off men, women, children of water, electricity and heating with winter coming – these are acts of pure terror.
‘And we have to call it as such.’
Likewise, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken had strongly condemned Russia:
‘Heat. Water. Electricity. For children, for the elderly, for the sick. These are President Putin’s new targets… This brutalization of Ukraine’s people is barbaric.’
Needless to say, if these people gave a flyer about Ukrainians, they wouldn’t have used them to fight a proxy war against Russia. So we’re not really dealing with hypocrites here, but the psychopathic elite, who are completely devoid of a conscience and integrity and humanity. In a word, they are evil to the core of their beings, and evil just lurves being evil.
Anyway, came across the following article earlier on JVLs website:
What happened on October 7 stunned and shocked us all. The reports and pictures of the horror in the destroyed kibbutzim on the Gaza Strip border fueled Israeli society with a tidal wave of blind hatred and calls for bloody revenge, a wave that grew stronger day by day. Under the slogan “Hamas are Nazis, Hamas is ISIS!” public opinion was prepared for a total war – a war with the declared aim of destroying Hamas, and which would inevitably lead to terrible death and destruction in the Gaza Strip
For many years, when I saw the word “Genocide” in the statements of radical groups in Israel and abroad, I would approach the writers and comment that – however appropriate the condemnation of Israeli acts of oppression – Genocide is not among these acts. But this week Roy Sharon, a “respectable” radio and TV commentator on the main Israeli broadcasting corporation, spoke very explicitly of his desire to see “a million dead bodies in Gaza”.
And the streets of Tel Aviv are flooded with red stickers reading “Exterminate Gaza!”. Not “Destroy!”, not “Flatten!” – but clearly and explicitly “Exterminate Gaza!”. “Le-Ha-Sh-Mid!” – “Exterminate!” Every Hebrew-speaking Jewish Israeli knows from a young age exactly what this word means. “Exterminate!” “Exterminate!” “Exterminate!”. Hundreds of times “Exterminate!” on every street corner.
Last Friday I walked for three hours along the Dizengoff and King George Streets in Tel Aviv. I diligently searched for these disgusting stickers and destroyed them. I estimate that I found about 90% to 95% of what the dirty bastards had put up. It gave me momentary satisfaction, but of course it did not really affect what the pilots in the air and the soldiers on the ground already do and may yet do in the near future……
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/a-genocidal-mood-in-israel/
Indeed. Genocide.
Nobody who is holding open the possibiilty of voting Labour should ever forget that Keir Starmer, when asked whether Israel had the right to turn off the water supply to the 2.3 million residents of Gaza, replied yes yes, Israel does have that right. I don’t like to be sectarian, but please do NOT vote for any party that supports genocide, or is led by a figure who supports genocide. Draw the line at genocide FFS. Leftwingers and critics can disagree about whatever we like (universal basic income, Scottish independence, transsexual rights, whatever) but we should all be united in opposing genocide. No platform for genocide. No votes for its supporters.
I am quite surprised that the Craig team hasn’t got a prearranged procedure for getting the news out when Craig is arrested, rather than leaving it to be reported in non-canonical sources such as the Grayzone.
Did Craig have a lawyer present during the interrogation? The reason I ask is this…
“Murray told The Grayzone that British police warned him he would be committing a criminal offense and would be prosecuted if he refused to answer questions, answered untruthfully, deliberately withheld information, or refused to provide passcodes for his electronic devices. After his phone and laptop were seized for analysis, the interrogation began.”
Really? You have to answer every question the police ask you? What f***ing law is that under then?
“Committing a criminal offence” sounds like the talk of a 12-year-old. Every offence is a crime. Every crime is an offence. And prosecutions can fail or even be found malicious. JFC!
“Murray has since consulted with lawyers, who informed him that according to Section 7 of the 2000 Terrorism Act — the draconian legislation under which he was subjected to the intensive questioning — he would be legally entitled to consult a lawyer if the interrogation lasted longer than an hour.”
Next time, just sit the hour out, mate. What do you think they’re going to do, tell you it’s trousers down and crocodile clips time?
Doesn’t Craig actually have any experienced advisers after all this time???
Yes I thought my eyes were deceiving me when I read that. When did they remove the right to silence in police interviews or to just reply ‘no comment’?
“When did they remove the right to silence in police interviews or to just reply ‘no comment’?”
Probably when the Queen died and it could be slipped through without anyone noticing.
I have heard that nowadays police are under no legal obligation to tell the truth. So they can lie to detainees in order to loosen their tongues.
People generally have the right to remain silent after arrest in the UK, Buttons, although under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, they have to provide passwords for seized electronic devices and keys to encrypted information, otherwise they’re are committing a criminal offence and potentially facing a prison sentence. As Tom mentioned, if you’re arrested under terrorist legislation, the authorities have the right to lie and use trickery to try to get you to talk though.
Re: ‘Every offence is a crime’
In the UK, contempt of court is a civil offence, not a crime. Despite being imprisoned for four months, our host doesn’t have a criminal record.
Netanyahu seems desperate to get the US into a war, certain factions of the US want this too.
Are the carrier groups to be another USS Liberty?
As with the “terrorists beheaded children” lie, nobody who truly understands zionism is shocked by the latest “Gazans blew up their own hospital” lie.
Lying is simply what being a zionist entails. The entire ideology of zionism requires you to be a liar. A deceiver. It requires you to muddy and obscure the truth. It is why every single hardcore zionist you will ever encounter is a disingenuous creep.
Without exception.
The tired old lies from Israel that killings in Gaza was caused by Hamas/Islamic Jihad.
Does anyone remember the killings in Beit Hanoun in May, 2021? Of the al-Masri family? When Israel stated “that the deaths of the three children were the result of a Gaza rocket launch “that went wrong””? https://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/hamas/report-from-gaza-3-children-killed-in-idf-attack-in-beit-hanoun/2021/05/10/
Days -weeks later (when the story was gone from the front page) Israel admitted it was them.
Or the story about “Hamas created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth center in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa’ad, to “kill as many people as possible,””https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/top-secret-hamas-documents-show-terrorists-intentionally-targeted-elem-rcna120310
– after maps showing schools were found on dead Hamas members.
So Hamas were so well informed that they knew where the schools were located -but didn’t know about the Jewish Sabbath, and therefore attacked on a …..Saturday, when nobody were at school?
Sound logical?
And their target were children, but they managed to kill about ten times as many soldiers as children?
(sorry for the flippant voice, but some of the accusations against Hamas are insane. What has been verified is bad enough, we don’t need these “embellishments”)
I cannot believe that I have wake up to a new day and the attack on the hospital is not even a top news. So perhaps as many of 500 people killed, is just to ignore? Just imagine if Russia struck a hospital with 500 people and the reaction to it by the west.
Meanwhile the killing is just non-stop
At least 37 people were killed in separate Israeli air raids targeting Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-live-anger-after-israeli-strike-kills-500-in-hospital
And Russia play along
Russia says Israel must prove it was not involved in hospital attack
Israel must provide satellite images to prove that it was not involved in the Gaza hospital attack, Russia’s foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova has said.
Do Russia really believe Israel would provide sattelite images from the time of the attack showing their missiles going towards the hospital? Do Russia really believe Israel would not edit such “evidence”? Breathtaking naivety.