Fascism in the West to Enable Genocide in Palestine 1249


The UK and the US are both sending military assistance to Israel to commit a calculated and deliberate act of genocide, which is already underway.

Over 500 children have been killed in Gaza in the last week and over 2,000 maimed, many with life changing injuries. Nobody can claim they do not know what is already happening or what is about to unfold. The cutting off of food and water to Gaza is a major international crime, which the western proponents of the “rules based order” universally refuse to condemn.

In both the UK and the US there can be no more stark illustration of the lack of any kind of meaningful democracy, than the fact that there is no major political party that opposes the genocide – despite massive public opposition.

The bought and paid for media and political class in the west are extremely nervous, throughout the western world. Now they have come to the final genocide for which zionism has always aimed, they face a good deal of popular resistance.

Throughout Europe there is a massive gap between the zionist unanimity of the politicians and the much greater understanding of the Palestinian situation among the general public. Tellingly the response by the zionist political class has been a wave of outright fascist suppression.

In France, Macron has made all pro-Palestinian demonstrations illegal, but as so often the French people are not standing for that kind of authoritarianism.

In the UK, the police have adopted the cowardly tactic of arresting a couple of individuals, one in Brighton and one in Manchester, for pro-Palestinian demonstration. Under Tony Blair’s notorious draconian “anti-terror” legislation, they could face up to 14 years in prison.

The young man in Manchester was arrested on the precise site of the famous “Peterloo massacre”, which generations of British people were taught at school was a terrible crime in breach of the rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Let the irony of that set in.

You can go out in the streets of the UK with an Israeli flag and yell that you want every Palestinian to be cleansed from Gaza. That is not illegal. If you say the Palestinians have a right to resist their genocide, that is illegal.

That appears to be a genuine analysis of the law in the UK, France and many other western countries.

That is intended to terrify all of us. It will not work.

The European Commission has been ferociously zionist and gung-ho for this Palestinian genocide. It displayed the Israeli flag on its Berlaymont headquarters. It has taken a side in the most ferocious way.

It is therefore deeply sinister that the European Commission is actively working to shut down pro-Palestinian information and comment on social media. The European Commission has written to all major social media organisations and is able to threaten them with massive fines if they do not remove information of which the European Union disapproves.

The notion is plainly nonsense that through the fog of war the European Commission – which is 100% parti pris – is qualified to say what information is true and what information is false, and what comment is legitimate.

Thierry Breton, the European Commissioner in charge of this operation, is a former chief executive of electronic companies – and defence contractors – Atos and Thomson. He has no genuine interest in freedom of speech, and is engaged in a process of silencing dissent for military aims, which is quite simply fascist.

We are witnessing almost all western governments deliberately facilitating massacre, ethnic cleansing and genocide. We are witnessing almost all western governments turning on their own people to crush dissent at that complicity in genocide.

This feels not so much like the week that western democracy died, as the week it was impossible any longer to deny that western democracy died some time ago.

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1,249 thoughts on “Fascism in the West to Enable Genocide in Palestine

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  • Allan Howard

    My very first thought as of Israel denying it was them that bombed the hospital was that Hamas’ home-made rockets/missiles are not capable of doing anywhere near as much damage as was done to the hospital, and killing anywhere near the number of people killed. And THAT must be blatantly obvious to every single media outlet and journalist on the planet. Apart from which the Israelis have a record of lying through their teeth and denying they did such-and-such, as with the killing/assassination of Shireen Abu Akleh, and blamed it on Palestinian gunmen (until it became unsustainable). .

    • Jack

      Yes that is my view too, palestinian rockets could of course not be as powerful as to raze a whole hospital kiilling people in the hundreds, that is ridiculous,

      Finkelstein even call these rockets ‘powerful fireworks’ because that is how insignificant2 they are, from 2018:
      Aaron MatĆ©: You donā€™t use the term missiles, you actually use the term sometimes firecrackers and fireworks
      Norman Finkelstein: Letā€™s look at the facts. Number one, according to the UN Observatory, there were 5,000 Hamas rockets fired at Israel, 2,000 mortar shells. Altogether we have 7,000 projectiles. Okay? How many people did the rockets kill? We know exactly. There were six civilians killed: five Israelis, one Thai guest worker. Six civilians killed.
      Of the six civilians killed, one ā€” one ā€“ was killed by a Hamas rocket. Now we have a puzzling fact. 5,000 rockets, one person killed. A rational person would say thatā€™s a strange discrepancy. Number two, you can say only one Israeli civilian was killed because Israel has a very effective civil defense warning system, which is true. Its civil defense warning system and shelters ā€”

      Interview continues:
      https://imemc.org/article/norman-finkelstein-hamas-isnt-the-threat-that-israel-claims-2-4/

    • Carlyle Moulton

      But what if the Palestinians were storing a munitions stockpile in the hospital? One rocket may not be powerful enough to do the observed damage but a magazine containing hundreds?

        • Carlyle Moulton

          An explanation, but not necessarily the most likely. WAR is WAR and both sides are capable of doing atrocious things. I would think it is a 50% versus 50% bet.

          • Dom

            50-50 yeah? So in your imagination it’s just as likely the Palestinians in that hospital were sleeping around a giant munitions dump , and when the stockpile was ignited by a rocket there was but one large explosion? That in your mind is equally as likely as it being one more giant Israeli bomb targeted at civilians, following on from all the others? Also to clarify on this 50-50 WAR is WAR equation .. are you applying that to every other atrocity and war crime inflicted on Gaza or just the ones Netanyahu chooses to deny?

  • DiggerUK

    At this moment in time we have no way of identifying the source of the explosion at the hospital. Much needs to be done forensically to identify what caused the explosion. Trying to fit up one suspect or another is a fools errand.

    Cool heads, not bigots in Chicken Little costumes, should be allowed to complete their investigations. That is the only way we have of finding out the truth. This tragedy must not be allowed to become another first casualty of war.
    Have the honesty to say that at this time we simply don’t know how this explosion happened…_

    • Jack

      Indeed you are sooo right Diggie, and those israeli civilians killed at the festival, we need to be honest that we simply do not know who killed them, might as well be the israelis themselves!

    • Dom

      I am not going to be gaslit about the circumstances of a massacre by an apartheid government whose every minister had been constantly saying ā€œI want to kill lots of civilians, for racism reasonsā€ in public for days.

      They yelled at you in advance their intention. No doubt you are one of those also still waiting for investigations to be completed into who destroyed Nord Stream 2.

      The irony too btw of some Netanyahu/IDF apologist referring to any other human beings as “bigots”.

    • Bayard

      “This tragedy must not be allowed to become another first casualty of war.”
      Unlike all the previous tragedies, about which we have no reliable information either, but which you are perfectly willing to accept as truth.

      “Much needs to be done forensically to identify what caused the explosion.”
      I think you need to go and look in the kitchen.

    • Stevie Boy

      But we do know how the explosion happened !
      The British helped the zionists set up a Jewish apartheid state in Palestine.
      The zionists have been oppressing, murdering and forcibly displacing Palestinians since 1948.
      The zionists, who consist primarily of extremist Americans and East Europeans, are funded, armed and supported by the USA and UK.
      The Palestinians are confined to a very small area, Gaza, where every aspect of their life is controlled by the zionists.
      This recent battle is an attempt at recognition and freedom for the Palestinians and an opportunity for genocide and the removal of Palestinians from Gaza by the zionists.
      The explosion is a direct result of USA, UK and zionist policies – they are to blame, full stop.

      • Tony Pringle

        1995 assassination of Yitshak Rabin by Israeli right-wing
        Plans for peace anywhere? Perhaps China Global Security Initiative with enlaged UN. My internet granny, Helga Zepp-Larouche, at the Schiller Institute.
        Israel is surrounded by BRICS countries.

  • Jack

    Oh they are going to blame the victim, this is uncanny:

    Biden says ā€˜other teamā€™, not Israel, likely responsible for Gaza hospital bombing
    Biden tells Netanyahu the al-Ahli Arab Hospital bombing appears to have been committed by the ā€œother team, not youā€, implying Palestinian armed factions were behind it.
    Biden did not provide any evidence to back up his assessment.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-live-anger-after-israeli-strike-kills-500-in-hospital

    For crying out loud, arab world need to kick israeli ambassadors and western ambassadors out, this is the absolute minimum they ought to do, in my view they should cut oil/gas deliveries to the west until west stop this genocide.

    • Fat Jon

      An excellent scenario Jack; the only problem is that if the Arab nations cut oil supplies to the west, the price will go through the roof and Russia will make extra multi-billions in exports to China and India, etc.

      The western politicians can’t allow that to happen, which means Israel has them by the short and curlies; and Biden’s visit will end up with him allowing Netanyahu to do exactly as he pleases (in other words, no change to the current situation).

  • Norma Brown

    Thank you for writing this. It is disgusting to see the blood lust that Israel whips up as it prepared to seize more land from the Palestinians. I do not understand how they could not see that this is their last thrust before some massive explosion. The Israelis, like the Americans, no longer enjoy the protections they once had. The US oceans are meaningly against the missiles and America’s backing is losing its value at a rapid pace. A new world is here, they need to wake up.

  • Scott

    What could happen next?

    As each new threshold of crimes against humanity is reached, the resistance to reach the next level is reduced. Imagine a needle on a dial where the scale represents war crime intensity, and a nuclear attack against Iranian civilians is on the right; we are currently in the middle. De-escalation is critical.

    For open source analysis of missile capabilities, I recommend this 2021 paper from the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).
    https://www.iiss.org/research-paper/2021/04/iran-missiles-uavs-proliferation/

    For context on possible military outcomes, it is worth reviewing the commentary concerning the joint US-Israeli war games/ simulations of an attack against Iran that were carried out earlier this year. According to Ritter and other military commentators with knowledge of the simulations, the US and Israel lost both times.

    1) Missile attack on Tel Aviv. Reviewing the data from the IISS paper, and the comments of military commentators, it is clear that the Israeli Iron Dome defence will be overwhelmed by a massive missile attack from Hezbollah. This would legitimise Israel and it’s allies attacking Hezbollah. Hezbollah has the status of being undefeated, twice, by Israel in previous wars. Without US support, and with Hezbollah’s vastly improved weaponry, it is not only unlikely, but impossible for Israel to defeat Hezbollah. The IISS report for example describes the quantity of missiles (“150,000 artillery rockets and ballistic missiles from 2015”) and the targeting upgrades that Iran has supplied to Hezbollah since then. This will bring the US and UK into the war.
    2) Iran will close the Strait of Hormuz in sympathy with the Palestinian people, to bring economic pressure to bear against the west. A third of the world’s liquefied natural gas and almost 25% of total global oil consumption passes through the strait. This will be opposed militarily by the US, and bring Iran into the war.
    3) Syria may take the opportunity to reclaim it’s territory containing valuable natural resources currently occupied by Israel in the Golan Heights. This will bring Syria into the war.
    4) If Iran chooses to attack Israel, this will represent an existential threat, and Israel will be forced to choose between surrender and launching a nuclear attack against Tehran.

  • Jack

    Nothing will change the west, if they can deny not only the past days carnage but the lastest hospital attack – they will justify anything, it is solely up to the Arab world to do something now, either states or individual groups of resistance.
    Biden, Netanyahu is now probably in the same room, according to international law it would be legal to take them both out.

    Some daunting new headlines:
    Israel to decide how long military operation should last: Germany spokesperson
    Heavy Israeli bombardment continues in Gaza during Biden visit
    Israeli forces detain 65 Palestinians in occupied West Bank
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-live-anger-after-israeli-strike-kills-500-in-hospital

    Even the feeble pro-israel Putin have nothing to say:
    Russiaā€™s Putin calls hospital bombing ā€˜terrible catastropheā€™

    An earthquake is to be labeled a “catastrophe”, this is murder.

  • peter mcloughlin

    When examining conflict it is forgivable to think it is fiction: but fiction it is not. The harsh reality is that mankind is heading for WW III ā€“ yet those leading us to the abyss do not see this, do not want to hear any warnings from history. They do not see the pattern of history, and march us blindly to the precipice. There are efforts to silence any warning. I have been banned from X (when it was Twitter) for expressing this view. But then the small voices are easy to silence. Anyone interested in what I have to say can click on the link to my free ebook.
    https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/

  • Tatyana

    The rhetoric is completely unacceptable! How can anyone support Israel? well, except for the senile Biden.
    Just look at these monstrous figures of speech!
    Israeli President Suggests That Civilians In Gaza Are Legitimate Targets
    https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-president-says-no-innocent-154330724.html

    ā€œIt is an entire nation out there that is responsible,ā€ Herzog said at a press conference on Friday. ā€œIt is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. Itā€™s absolutely not true. They could have risen up. They could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup dā€™etat.ā€

    ā€œWe are fighting human animals and we act accordingly,ā€ Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said on Oct. 9

    ā€œHuman animals must be treated as such,ā€ IDF Maj. Gen. Ghassan Alian said on Oct. 10. ā€œThere will be no electricity and no water [in Gaza], there will only be destruction. You wanted hell, you will get hell.ā€

    What, the fucking fuck, what??? Who dares to speak like that? Are they all mad there? What exactly are they going to do to Palestinians?

    • Rosemary MacKenzie

      And Tatyana, the Israeli military bomb Gaza on a regular basis – they call it “mowing the grass”! The Israeli government looks so like that of the Nazi German government. Hope you are well!

    • JeremyT

      Agreed, Tatyana, very well said.
      As growth collapses we see at the margins the churning of our built forms as facts on the ground, and amidst the howl of unheard words, such rhetorics emerge as broken bodies and souls for innocents and vocal alike.
      Security. A better future?
      Not like this, surely.

    • Casual Observer

      The term ‘Human Animal’ sounds like it could be translated from the word ‘Untermensch’ ? Odd that a group who were on the sharp end of such thinking within the span of a human life ago should resort to the same rhetoric. Oh well, it is a fact that the clart always seems to roll downhill.

      • Stevie Boy

        The thing is that, IMO, there is little evidence that the zionists actually hated the Nazis. The Jews maybe, but the zionists are Jews in name only.

        • Casual Observer

          Very true, alluded to that a few pages back. They may well have been happy to do a deal with the Moustache Man. And Eichmann was over there before the war, but not for long, the Mandate authorities kicked him out.

    • AG

      Tatyana

      whenever I talk to people in my realm I find them uninformed.
      Its actually Ukraine all over again. Plus the antisemitism mechanism.

      Thats like it has been put into their heads like a mantra.
      And this is true for anyone be it self-proclaimed pro-Palestine (which means “You know these crazy Hamas”), moderates (which means they havent really followed this, which btw is 90% of the people who consider themselves politically informed. They are NOT.)

      If our print news print it there must be some truth to it. ThatĀ“s the bottom-line.
      Pravda was a problem? Think again.

      And since Nazis killed 6 million Jews 80 years ago most likely an Israeli spokesperson in the news yesterday will tell the truth.

      Neither do they know the contradictory history behind the Theodor Herzl Project, behind the 1930s conflicts with the Arabs, the genuine pro Arab movement among local Jews, the true 1948 or events untill 1967 or everything since the Oslo Accords or the blockade of Gaza etc.

      Its not part of our common news world.

      In Germany and most of Europe people think Palestinians might have some difficulty but all in all its an okay life.
      They know nothing about the harsh apartheid laws in Israel. So why should they regard violent reactions pro-Palestine now as legitimate?

      No, they think its 1933 all over again.

      Because those people who are supposed to know tell them so, whereas those folks in fact do not know. Or like to turn a blind eye to it.
      Complete closed infomation pyramid.

      Thats why domestic Israeli criticism is so extremely important. THEN they start to question a few things…

      Or for that matter someone with Craig MurrayĀ“s credentials. Which is of course one major reason for British security apparatus harassing him constantly.

  • Feliks

    Strange how Israel managed to intercept a call between two Hamas (?Islamic Jihad) operatives regarding the hospital bombing but did not pick up any chatter pre October 7th.

  • Republicofscotland

    Well I listen to a wee bit of PMQ’s and apart from the odd voice I thought it was a onesided affair with the PM and Sir Kid Starver openly showing their unfettered support for the murderous Zionist regime.

    The latest is the trying to twist the story of who bombed the hospital away from the geocidal Zionist regime to that of the Palestinians as the guilty party.

    In reality the Zionist apartheid occupying force known as Israel doesn’t want any information on what they are doing reaching the outside world but the info is seeping out in bits and pieces.

    Earlier POTUS Biden spoke and again tried to reinforce the false narrative that the Palestinians bombed the hospital, Netanyahu fawned all over Biden for visiting Israel in which he called it during “War Time” there is no war, its the systematic slaughter of oppressed people, versus a modern military backed by the USA and Europe.

    • Republicofscotland

      Its a war crime committed by the Zionist occupying force known as Israel, the leaders of this oppressive apartheid regime should be standing in the dock at the Hague, why aren’t they? Simple they are protected by the West.

      “If the Israeli military did not bomb the Baptist Hospital, why did it tell the hospital it would bomb it an hour before it bombed it?”

      https://nitter.net/Lowkey0nline/status/1714589239797579981#m

    • Goose

      To listen to this pair of apologists, you’d be forgiven for thinking this is the only event that’s happened in Gaza. Israel has dropped thousands of bombs, maybe nearing 10,000(?) now as it was 8,000 days ago. Lots of mini hospitals as families have been buried under falling buildings.

      Even BBC 1 news at six, reported yesterday that Israel’s normal practice of a ‘knock on the roof’, whereby they drop a small bomb as a\ warning, then give families time to leave, say a block of apartments, has been abandoned. Supposedly quote “because of lack of bombs”. They are just dropping the big one without warning. And with power is off, phones dead, anyone in those building who is old, sick infirm or otherwise unaware, is basically done for.

    • Goose

      I posted yesterday:

      Social media accounts belonging to the State of Israel and the Israeli ambassador to the US have deleted a video post claiming that a rocket fired from within Gaza caused the deadly explosion at Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City. The video showed a barrage of rockets being fired, with one appearing to go off-course in a downward trajectory, followed by the flash of an apparent explosion.

      Both accounts were edited after Aric Toler, a journalist with the New York Times visual investigations team, questioned the time stamps on the video. Those time stamps indicated that the video was recorded at least 40 minutes after the explosion at the hospital was first publicly reported, Toler said.ā€

      Aric Toler has not posted since, maybe under pressure from his NYT bosses? The fact those Israeli accounts were rapidly edited shows they are prepared to play fast and loose with the truth.

  • Peter

    I listened to the IDF spokesperson, Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner, on R4’s Today programme this morning seeking to deny that Israel was responsible for the hospital bombing. He stated that “The IDF did not conduct the strike against the hospital because we don’t target hospitals”. That is very odd because the Al Ahli Arab hospital was one of 22 hospitals, treating more than 2000 in-patients in northern Gaza, from which Israel has ordered management “to evacuate their patients and staff within 24 hours or be responsible for the consequences”.

    Moreover the same hospital had already been struck last Saturday, injuring four.

    https://thewire.in/world/days-before-catastrophic-bombing-of-gaza-hospital-israel-had-fired-rocket-ordered-its-evacuation

    I later realised that when listening to the Lieutenant Colonel that what I had been listening to was the sound of a real life, right here, right now fascist dictatorship. That is exactly how Israel is acting in Gaza, simple and plain. With the full, shameful, possibly illegal, backing of the British government and His Majesty’s, so called, Official Opposition.

    Mahmoud Shalabi for the Palestinians from 2:13:15 and the Lieutenant Colonel from 2:16:30 –

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001rh0d

    • Greg Park

      Netanyahu’s media advisor and waterboy, Hananya Naftali, tweeted immediately after the hospital bombing last night that it was the work of the Israeli airforce, before swiftly removing the post. Western politicians and media are suppressing this fact and trying to cloud the picture, as they always do with Israeli atrocities.

    • Seansaighdeoir

      Brilliant stuff. Would loved to see him go head to head with the guy they dragged on at the end. I sensed there would have been fireworks.

  • Rosemary MacKenzie

    Does anyone follow the US economist, Michael Hudson? I’ve seen him referred to as an archaeological economist because he has analysed the economic systems of the ancient Near East. However, his current articles on the economic situation of the US which explain the flounderings of Europe and the antipathy of the rest of the world is worth reading. He seems to think the US is near collapse.

    • Rosemary MacKenzie

      Oh dear, I was timed out! Michael Hudson says the US hasn’t the money to fulfill its global debt obligations. The Germans asked for their gold reserves to be flown back to Germany. The US response was that they were not available! Support for Israel is only a way of getting control of Middle Eastern oil reserves which the US likes to control. My view is that this perspective would point to the probablity of a larger escalation of the mess in the area created by both Israel and the US, with Israel being the new Ukraine. I hope I’m wrong but the US behaviour is very erratic and dangerous – floundering to save itself.

      • John O'Dowd

        Yes Rosemary. Professor Hudson is a very important economist – one who actually understands how economies work. He was one of the few (along with the likes of Ann Pettifor and Prof Steve Keen) who correctly predicted the 2007/8 banking crash.

        (See Ann Pettifor “The Coming First World Debt Crisis” published in 2006)

        https://www.amazon.co.uk/Coming-First-World-Debt-Crisis/dp/0230007848

        He (and they) are therefore ignored by mainstream neoclassical economists who are taught, and peddle, arrant nonsense – and the idiot Oxford PPE graduates who infect the UK political system.

        This idiocy – a pseudoscience based on abstract cod-mathematical axioms rather than observations or real-world phenomena – has its true purpose of serving the rich and powerful. It has been described as a ‘Cargo-Cult’ (look it up) and its axioms, paradigms and ‘mathematics’ described as “Physics Envy” to give it the appearance of a real, genuine academic science. It is assuredly NOT that (I write as a natural scientist who also has an economics qualification).

        Professor Hudson has published many important books, perhaps the most important of which is “Super Imperialism: The Economic Strategy of American Empire.” https://www.amazon.co.uk/Super-Imperialism-Origin-Fundamentals-Dominance/dp/0745319890

        This book – a classic – describes how the US has used the Bretton Woods system and the role of the dollar as a global reserve currency, to fund its imperial adventures, including the present wars in Ukraine and Palestine.

        On a more technical level to explain why mainstream economics is utter bollocks, get a hold of Professor Steve Keen’s brilliant book Debunking Economics: The naked Emperor dethroned”

        https://www.amazon.co.uk/Debunking-Economics-Naked-Emperor-Dethroned/dp/1848139926

        Keen is a real genuine mathematician who applied his science to Economics and discovered its maistream was garbage.

        And to understand why these people – the so called economic mainstream – have gone to so much trouble to destroy a proper, scientific economics science and replace it in Universities by self-serving mumbo-jumbo, and why its practitioners punt their snake-oil for inflated salaries, read Norbert Haring’s and Niall Douglas’s “Economics and the Powerful: Convenient Theories, Distorted Facts, Ample Rewards”

        https://www.amazon.co.uk/Economists-Powerful-Convenient-Distorted-Economics/dp/0857284592

        The whole thing is a racket carried out on behalf of the rich and powerful – and its promulgators are richly rewarded for doing so.

    • Tom Welsh

      All of Michael Hudson’s books and talks are valuable. He does repeat himself quite a lot, but that too is valuable because it can be hard to accept some propositions that seem to contradict what we have always been told. Repetition helps to drive them home, as any educational expert will tell you.

      On the other hand, all his ideas are perfectly simple and straightforward. You will never find another economist who explains things in such crystal-clear fashion.

      His latest book is “The Destiny of Civilization: Finance Capitalism, Industrial Capitalism or Socialism”. He leans to socialism, but not in an extreme form. The Chinese seem to have got it about right: the government, with the interests of everyone at heart, sets strategy and uses the profit motive to achieve tactical goals. In the West the hearltess capitalists have taken over and set the strategy, which is why the wealth gap keeps growing and the poor are continually worse off.

      You won’t be able to find a cheap secondhand copy of Hudson’s books, unless you’re very lucky. I realised long ago that’s a sign of a very good writer: no one who possess his books wants to give them up, so the only way to get one is to buy a new copy.

      If money is tight or you want a simple introduction, Hudson’s Web site is completely free and contains masses of excellent talks and articles. https://michael-hudson.com/

      • Rosemary MacKenzie

        That is one of Michael Hudson’s great assets – he is simple and lucid and repeats himself – very useful for my old brain. I love his description of neoliberalism being nothing other than neofeudalism! How did we all fall for it?

      • Pigeon English

        To parafrase.
        Some interviewer asked him MH why he doesn’t teach at more ” reputable UNi”.
        To teach at ” reputable UNi” you need to publish X articles in those papers. To my understanding his work is not following dogma.
        I studied Economics in socialist country and my wife in capitalist country and sometimes to my disbelief She did know much about IMF or WB etc and to her disbelief I didn’t know xyz. Sorry mods but I am not starting a discussion. I did start Scottish monetary policy without success

        • Tom Welsh

          When asked why almost all recognised economists echo the teachings of the “selfishness is good” Chicago School, Hudson likes to observe that economics graduates have a habit they picked up as children: they like to eat.

          He also states that a freshly-graduated economist has two possible career paths: teaching (Chicago School economics), or driving a taxi.

  • pasha

    Apparently Craig has been arrested and interrogated by the fascist “security” police in Glasgow following a trip to Iceland in support of Palestinians and Julian Assange. So we don’t need to worry about Israeli fascism, we have plenty right here at home. Phone and laptop confiscated of course. Here’s Kit Klarenberg:
    https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/17/assange-craig-murray-detained-uk-terror/


    [ Mod: You’re a bit late to the newsdesk, pasha. Your bulletin might be useful for people who failed to notice the same link posted yesterday by ‘Sam’ (17 Oct at 7:56am, UK time), ‘Greg Park’ (11:21am), and ‘Lapsed Agnostic’ (6:26pm), with a late night reminder from ‘Old Jod Mon’ (12:31am) – not to mention the discussion that ensued after ‘Cynicus’ first alerted readers to the news very early yesterday morning (17 Oct, 1:25pm).

    Some eager newshounds are hastily posting news bulletins that have already been discussed further up the page or on preceding pages, without reading the thread they’re posting on. Please read (or search) the existing comments before posting any “breaking news”.

    Also bear in mind that posting a link without explaining what it links to, and offering an opinion on it, fails the ‘Contribute’ rule in the commenting guidelines and therefore is subject to removal without notice. ]

    • Clark

      Pasha, thanks. Only this morning did I hear that Craig had been arrested, so I started reading the most recent comments and worked my way backwards looking for more information. Consequently, yours was the first relevant comment I found.

  • DiggerUK

    By now we should have had some identifiers as to what exploded. So far nothing. No parts of bombs or missiles, no identification of the explosive used, nothing has been presented to even help identify what was used in the attack, nothing.

    The prime suspect of a deliberate attack is the Israeli state and IDF. Statements from key players in Israel give circumstantial evidence in support. But no forensic evidence has been presented to prove anything yet.
    Then there is he fog of war angle, mis-directed Israeli ordnance is plausible. So too is malfunctioning Hamas kit.

    Then there are the great unknowns which hang over such incidents. Don’t forget the length of time it took to show that the PanAm murders over Lockerbie was most probably instigated by Iran, not Libya.

    At times like this, it is imperative that hot heads behaving like police officers who collect ‘evidence’ to suit their biased agenda are kept in line. In the here and now, we have no firm evidence of how this catastrophe came about…_

    • glenn_nl

      Riiiiight.

      When Hamas commits an attrocity, we’re to utterly condemn it at once. When Israel – the camp guards, by the way, not the inmates – commits even larger atrocities, well, hang on a minute! We need to give it a few years, mull it over. Any rush to judgement simply would not do.

      Thanks for setting us all straight once again, Digger_uk.

    • Ken Butcher

      If you were following the geopolitical events at the time, you would have strongly – very strongly – suspected that the change of the blamed culprit for Lockerbie from Libya to Iran was explained by changed American and British interests rather than improved forensic, human or signals intelligence. (Not that I have any strong beliefs about which, if either, was actually responsible. But I did expect the change before it happened, and I have no inside knowledge.)

    • Bayard

      “But no forensic evidence has been presented to prove anything yet.”
      I think you need to reacquaint yourself with the meaning of the word “forensic”.

      Anyway, as you say, no need to rush to judgement, it won’t be more than a day or so before the Israelis are forced to admit that they did it and you can stop flogging this particular dead horse.

  • Jack

    What happend with BRICS member Brazil? Their president is of course left-wing Lula da Silva, the other day Brazil abstained from a russian initiated resolution, today Brazil put forward a resolution by themselves, a heavily watered down calling for mere “pauses” in the war. (there is no war! it is a 1 sided onslaught).

    UN Security Council vote to happen despite US pressure to delay
    Brazilā€™s draft resolution has now been watered down; after initially calling for an immediate ceasefire, it now calls for humanitarian pauses.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-live-anger-after-israeli-strike-kills-500-in-hospital

    In other news: Iran seems to be the only nation that have any spirit in the IOC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation):
    Iran Calls For Oil Embargo at IOC meeting
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Iran-Calls-For-Oil-Embargo-On-Israel-As-Middle-East-Tensions-Flare-Up.html

    • Tom Welsh

      Money is like water – it has a way of seeping in everywhere.

      Although of course it is much more dangerous for anyone in the Western Hemisphere to say what they really think, let alone act against the hegemon. A list of Latin Americans killed by, or at the behest of, Washington would be very, very long indeed.

    • Stevie Boy

      Cannot fault Mr Cook’s logic. The Israelis bombed the hospital and it wasn’t an accident.
      If we believe ~1500 Israelis were killed by 3000 Palestinian missile/rockets then to kill 500 at the hospital they would have had to launch about 1000 missile/rockets – at the hospital ! Obvious rubbish, the Israelis bombed the hospital and it wasn’t an accident.

  • U Watt

    Leader of the Free World in Tel Aviv, latest:

    Israel “lives by the rule of law” and “believes in the fundamental dignity of human life”.

    Statement follows his earlier declaration that a Hamas firework had demolished a major hospital.

    Perhaps the lion of freedom is suffering PTSD from those pictures he saw of “terrorists beheading children”?

    • DiggerUK

      U Watt, the hospital HAS NOT been demolished. Exaggeration helps no investigation into this catastrophe. The injured were treated in the hospital, it still ‘functions’.

      One thing that is missing from the images available is any bomb crater. There have been no identifiable parts produced of what caused the explosion, or what the explosives were. Reports say the centre of the explosion happened in a carpark.

      Jumping to conclusions helps none of the victims; patience, the truth will out…_

      • Goose

        Seems a superfluous discussion considering the totality of Israeli war crimes in this conflict.

        There needn’t be a crater.

        ‘JDAM’ is trending on ‘X’, or at least was until recently. Watch the airburst test video that’s included in many posts.

        JDAM MK83 : The method of bomb explosion is chosen according to the target. Air explosion to achieve the largest number of deaths. While explosion after collision with a solid object is used to blow up buildings and fortifications. Israel is dropping thousands of bombs in a densely populated area. The idea they are taking the utmost care would only be believed by some blinkered gormless politician, who wants to believe that.

        • AG

          another Twitter link on the issue “hospital hit by bomb/missile” via MoA:

          https://twitter.com/brainnest/status/1714474393785565198
          “Did a little spectrogram analysis of the hospital bombing audio vs. a JDAM bomb and a Hamas rocket. You see a very similar whistle down from 3,000Hz to 1,000Hz for the hospital strike and a JDAM strike. Nothing similar from Hamas rocket example. A blip in comparison.”

          the original MoA post by an “unimperator”:

          “Sound analysis have indicated the hit on the hospital was JDAM equipped thermobaric bomb, set to go off in the air. Hence no crater was left behind. Sounded nothing like Hamas small rockets.

          Guess Israeli’s and US thought it would not get caught on camera.”

          • AG

            Chris Hedges on the hospital bombing:
            I have posted the article link next page but here I will quote the relevant part from the source text:

            “(…)
            There is nothing in the arsenal of Hamas or Islamic Jihad that could have replicated the massive explosive power of the missile that killed an estimated 500 civilians in the al-Ahli Arab Christian hospital in Gaza. Nothing. If Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) had these kinds of missiles, huge buildings in Israel would be rubble with hundreds of dead. They donā€™t.

            The whistling sound, audible on the video moments before the explosion, appears to comes from the high velocity of a missile. This sound gives it away. No Palestinian rocket makes this noise. And then there is the speed of the missile. Palestinian rockets are slow and lumbering, clearly visible as they arch in the sky and then tumble in free fall towards their targets. They do not strike with precision or travel at close to supersonic speed. They are incapable of killing hundreds of people.

            The Israeli military dropped ā€œroof knockingā€ rockets with no warheads on the hospital in the days leading up to the Oct. 17 strike, the familiar warning given by Israel to evacuate buildings, according to al-Ahli hospital officials. Hospital officials also said they had received calls from Israel saying ā€œwe warned you to evacuate twice.ā€ Israel has demanded that all hospitals in northern Gaza be evacuated.

            Following the strike on the hospital, Hananya Naftali, a ā€œdigital aideā€ to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, posted on X, formerly Twitter: ā€œIsraeli Air Force struck a Hamas terrorist base inside a hospital in Gaza.ā€ The post was quickly deleted.
            (…)”

      • U Watt

        Aw, you’re a model of serious impartiality, Digger UK. No doubt you were fuming when Joe and Bibi preempted the investigation you’ve settled down to patiently wait for.

        Your advice however does beg a pretty obvious question: are you also demanding there be an investigation into the violent deaths of 1,000+ children in Gaza over the last week?

        If not, are you able to explain why?

  • Jack

    US veto UN resolution that would have condemned Hamas in return for humanitarian aid!

    US vetoes UN resolution condemning Hamasā€™ attacks on Israel and all violence against civilians
    https://apnews.com/article/un-security-council-resolution-gaza-hamas-1c23913f8552f5379b2c158a83493835

    Anyone still believe that the issue is Hamas? Israel, US will come up with whatever argument to keep the war alive for Israel to reach their grand goal of ethnic cleansing the palestinians.

  • Ebenezer Scroggie

    I’ve shown that video to a chum who is very knowledgeable on explosives. He has 40 years of professional experience as an explosives expert in the field of civil engineering and served part-time in 23SAS as a demolitions specialist and instructor, based at Invergowrie, for a dozen or so years.

    He is pretty certain that it was a JDAM, probably a thousand pounder, but possibly a 2,000 pounder, probably not a 500 pounder.

    He laughed at the idea that the explosion was caused by one of those home-made firecrackers that Hamas knock out by the thousand in back-street workshops and blacksmith shops in Gaza. He explained the difference between a detonation and a deflagration. What he saw and heard in that video sounded and looked to him like a detonation, ie the rate of burning of the explosive material in the warhead is the sort of high Mach numbers of a modern military warhead such as in a JDAM or Paveway, not the deflagration you would expect from home-made improvised explosives.

    He did, however, point out that is is not familiar with the composition of Hamas’s current crop of missilry.

    I know him well enough to take his word over the crap that the Israelis churn out so frequently.

    This hospital bombing is just another Israeli War Crime. Just add it to the long list. Ho hum.

  • Jack

    In 1996 Israel attacked a refugee housing, killing over a hundred people, they first denied it, then blamed the victims itself:

    Donā€™t believe Israel. 27 years ago, Israel committed the Qana massacre and lied about it before admitting they butchered 116 Lebanese children and women in a UN refugee compound. Israel bombing civilian refugees is NOT new and definitely NOT surprising.

    https://nitter.net/HadiNasrallah/status/1714398256698921124#m
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qana_massacre#Israeli_statements

    In 2006, the massacre was repeated:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Qana_airstrike

    • Goose

      If Hezbollah fires a rocket into Israel, it’s a provocation risking widening the conflict. Whereas Israel frequently bomb Lebanon, it’s just that it’s not even reported. The same goes for Syria. When Israel boasts they’ve killed Iranian scientists, inside Iran, western media applauds Mossad’s/CIA/MI6’s audacity. If Iran were to retaliate similarly killing our scientist(s) it’d be major provocation that’d risk a war.

      Worst of all though is the ‘Bothsidesing’ in the press and wider media : Not All Sides Are Equal. And western leaders should stop pretending the scale of Israel’s response is justified, it isn’t.

        • Goose

          Most of the western media are taking cover behind Biden’s assertions. But Biden had to row back remember, on some of the more lurid claims in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas invasion. Biden basically repeated everything coming out of Israel verbatim. He’s probably been asleep or heavily sedated for most of his long journey to Israel.

          • Tom Welsh

            Mr Medvedev had a snappy take on one of Biden’s recent gaffes. He said no one should worry, as Biden would have forgotten what he himself said within a few minutes.

          • Goose

            The US with its ‘big dick’ power projection aircraft carriers and arrogant Israel, together represent the most convincing argument for the acquisition of an independent nuclear deterrent that could be made.

            Would this be happening were surrounding Muslim countries nuclear-armed like Pakistan? The answer is obviously no. The simple fact is, Israel simply couldn’t behave with so little restraint.

          • AG

            re: Syria –
            which is why this might not end.

            Perhaps there will be a push by the non-EU world to “freeze” it.
            But then IDF will wait a few weeks and start again the usual way. Little by little.

            Question is how do the US intend to topple or weaken Syria in order to – borrowing a RAND-term – “overextending Russia” this way (instead via the Black Sea).

            Since clearly this madness follows higher geopolitical priorities than just wipe out Gaza for the sake of it.

            But naturally not building more nukes must be the answer. Because WMD proliferation is what the US and Israel want for the Middle East. It would be a feast for unprecedented militarism and most likely end in total desaster.

            p.s. Its enough that the latest US Congress Special Report on the Nuclear Posture to come demands a major nuclear build-up
            by the US. :
            see report pdf
            “Strategic Posture Commission Report Calls for Broad Nuclear Buildup ”
            12/10/23
            https://fas.org/publication/strategic-posture-commission-report-calls-for-broad-nuclear-buildup/

  • Goose

    Bothsidesing : Not All Sides Are Equal

    Sick of US and UK politicians & officials; EU officials, The Guardian , Times, Telegraph, Sun , Mail , Sky , BBC, ITV all trying to pretend this ‘retaliation’ is somehow justified and the suffering is comparable.

    This why people march and they are losing the public.

  • Brian Sides

    https://order-order.com/2023/10/17/craig-murray-arrested-after-backing-every-act-of-armed-resistance-by-hamas/
    “To be entirely plain.
    I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation.
    But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.
    If that is a crime, send me back to jail.”

    While I do not think this is a good idea Craig should be free to say what he thinks.
    It is possible that Israel has organised the attack on itself as a false flag to enable it to remove more of Palestine.
    Hamas or parts of Hamas may even be complicate or double crossing either Palestine or Israel.
    A wider war involving Hezbollah will just lead to more death as is happening in Ukraine.
    Some would say this is better than death by a thousand cuts.
    If Craig had said he supported every act of armed resistance by Israel there would have been no problem.
    This double standards and hypocrisy that they are trying more and more to police what ever the current narrative is.
    The point of high profile arrests is to try to frighten people so that they self censor.
    But it is a bluff they can not arrest every one that does follow the correct thinking.

    • Goose

      You’ve got ex-Newsnight reporter, Paul Mason, and current Newsnight presenter Mark Urban (both of whom happen to be Jewish) predictably taking sides by referencing an obscure OSINT researcher I’ve never previously heard of.
      It appears these western OSINT outfits are just there to obfuscate the picture when western allies’ atrocities and officials risk being exposed, by throwing in curveballs. Bellingcat for example, claims it’s independent, but it would never pursue investigations that’d point back to the west or allies.

      • AG

        Matt Taibbi explained early this year that OSINT is intended as the new Holy Grail for obfuscating propaganda.

        Because is conveys fake objectivity in unprecedented depth.

        With increasing difficulties for most journalists (under time pressure and within group think) to identify truly false info (be it by omission or lies) and at the same time increasing willingness to actually trust online sources without traditonal forms of scrutiny this will become the next big permanent problem.

        In fact its a bit of a nightmare which we wont just be able to solve and get rid of.
        Its inherent to our social and informative fabric. It will stay and grow.

        • Goose

          If they were truly independent they’d be shut down asap by US/UK authorities. Elites don’t like amateur investigative outfits. They don’t even like independent journalists, Robert Fisk was subject to an organised smear campaign rubbishing his work, here in the UK, upon his death.

          Look a WikiLeaks, Pompeo labelled them a ‘hostile intelligence service’, often abetted by state actors.

          Much of the online hostility Craig Murray faces, is because he’s objective and truly an independent voice.

          • AG

            Fisk smeared? I didnĀ“t know that. I followed his work closely but of course only from across the Channel.

          • AG

            and as you mention Fisk … so does Norm Finkelstein

            “ISRAEL WOULD NEVER TARGET MEDICAL FACILITIES!”
            https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/israel-would-never-target-medical

            “In June 1982, Israel attacked Lebanon. It killed 15-20,000 Lebanese and Palestinians, overwhelmingly civilians. Hereā€™s how the war began:

            ā€œIsrael had decided that the truce [with the PLO] was at an end…. A Palestinian childrenā€™s hospital outside the Sabra [refugee] camp was struck by one bomb. Sixty bodies were later taken from it.ā€. Source: Robert Fisk, Pity the Nation.”

          • Goose

            It was weird. Nearly all the big news outlets carried a least one highly critical article with London based journos deriding Fisk as variously as an ‘Assad apologist’ a ‘fantasist ‘ and ‘conspiracy theorist’, he was none of those. He lived in Lebanon on and off ,and actually had v. good contacts throughout the Middle East, even within the Israeli military.

          • AG

            ThatĀ“s sad to hear.

            Clare Daly in a good interview with Mercouris/Diesen a couple of months ago on The Duran Show suggested that the first major split within the European Left (and beyond) occured around 2013 over Syria.

            Unfortunately I had more important things to do 2013 and paid little attention. So I am now constantly going back trying to teach myslef about what really did happen back then.

            Daly did not clearify more detailed why that caused such a crisis among parties in Europe.
            But she is not the only knowledgable person to state this claim.

          • Stevie Boy

            I am a great fan of Fisk. Sad day when he passed away. One of the few people actually on the ground in the ME.
            It wasn’t only London based scum journos who rubbished Fisk after his death, there were american and Arab ‘journalists’ lining up to slander his good name with all the standard insults. Bit of an eye opener at the time, not so much nowadays.

  • Republicofscotland

    As if there’ any doubt about who bombed the hospital, it was the Zionists.

    “Several experts confirm Hamasā€™ view to @Channel4News that the audio tape of ā€œHamasā€ operatives talking about the missile malfunction is a fake . They say the tone, syntax, accent and idiom are absurd.”

    https://nitter.net/alextomo/status/1714670858914894046#m

    “Experts hired by Channel 4 have concluded that the audio Israel released to prove it did not strike the hospital is, in fact, fake.”

    https://nitter.net/Lowkey0nline/status/1714676656822956370#m

    Putting aside all the other Zionist killings in Gaza, the bombing of a hospital that killed hundreds is surely a war crime, and if the ICC does nothing to bring Netanyahu and his Zionist cronies to justice then the ICC has no credibility left.

    • Goose

      The clip Israeli officials initially shared was from 8pm local. @ajmubasher were reporting of the bombing of the hospital as early at 7.28 pm local. And the NYT journalist Aric Toler reported the bombing at approx 7.20 pm, which fits with the @ajmubasher tweet.

      Surely this is the key information.

  • Jack

    Bahrain crack down peaceful protest urging israeli ambassador to leave

    Bahraini police cracks down on pro-Palestine protest
    Bahraini police appears to have cracked down on a small demonstration in Manama in support of Palestinians in Gaza, a video on X (formerly Twitter) posted by the Bahrain Center for Human Rights shows.
    The handful of activists gathered in front of the cordoned-off Israeli embassy were calling for Bahrain to break off diplomatic ties with Israel and to expel its ambassador, the centre said.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-live-anger-after-israeli-strike-kills-500-in-hospital
    https://twitter.com/BahrainRights/status/1714685079564554351

    Just last month relations were boosted:
    Israel opens new embassy in Bahrain, agrees to boost trade relations
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/4/israel-opens-new-embassy-in-bahrain-agrees-to-boost-trade-relations

    I suspect the arab world is going to explode from this pro-israeli boolicking-suppression they now face from their own governments.
    Most obviously the corrupt arab leaders feel no affinity whatsoever to an arab brotherhood or when arabs are cold-blooded massacred. What are they even afraid of would happen if they kick the israeli diplomat home? I do not get it.

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