UPDATE
The people of Blackburn scored a vital victory today against the forces of fascism as “Tommy Robinson”‘s overweight racist disciples were met with an overwhelming show of solidarity in the street, of which I was proud with my friends to be a part.
The fascists like to attack defenceless targets. Faced with the prospect of real resistance, they ran away.
Poor little Tommy is not happy in his Spanish hideaway, where he lives his life as an immigrant.
Blackburn should be a model of how to face down the fascists.
Yesterday I received a phone call from a police Inspector asking me to delete my tweet calling for people to assemble to prevent the far-right demonstration called for Blackburn today and tweeted out by “Tommy Robinson”, the well-known immigrant to Spain with the false name.
She also asked me not to come to Blackburn myself, and said that members of the community had contacted her and said I was an outsider coming to Blackburn to make trouble.
I am therefore on a train to Blackburn, a place where a number of people have been telling me to leave for weeks, but I genuinely can’t walk down the street without being warmly greeted by name by random locals.
Although our conversation was perfectly friendly and I have no complaints about the police Inspector, who seemed to accept that her telling me not to come was unlikely to work, I do rather object to the police telling me what to do.
There are a number of interesting questions raised by this. There is a wave of anti-immigrant far-right violence spreading across the North of England – Sunderland, Southport, Hartlepool and elsewhere – and recently London saw the largest fascist demonstration for many years.
The horrific murders of the poor little girls in Southport at a dance class have been seized on by the far right to foment anti-immigrant violence. This is such a well-established pattern now across the country that it is impossible to deny.
And yet the police inspector who phoned me did deny it. She told me to be aware that three little girls had died and this was about commemorating them. I replied it was not about that at all; it was about stirring up racial hatred against a community who had no connection at all to the murder.
Blackburn’s newly elected independent MP, Adnan Hussain, has also issued a call to people not to gather to oppose any far-right demonstration today. I believe this is mistaken. The wave of fascist violence across the country has gathered momentum precisely because it breeds copycat activity. Fascism has to be confronted and stopped.
That is not just a matter of explaining that poverty and deprivation is not caused by immigration but by an economic system designed to produce massive inequality of wealth. Fascism has also to be nipped in the bud by denying them control of the street. That is what we achieved with the Anti-Nazi League 40-odd years ago.
If you do not confront fascism and defeat it, it will grow.
How does this stand with my strong commitment to free speech?
In On Liberty, the great John Stuart Mill argued that to state that corn merchants are thieves and profiteers who starve the poor was perfectly valid. But to shout the same thing to a howling mob outside a corn merchant’s house was not valid freedom of speech.
It is not just the words, it is their context. This is a crucial insight (and it also carries a pro-freedom of speech weight against the sledgehammer of hate speech legislation which denies the importance of context and seeks to condemn simple forms of speech).
And I have no doubt at all that as for the likes of “Tommy Robinson” to be encouraging anti-immigrant speech in the highly ethnically diverse town of Blackburn, in the context of widespread anti-immigrant violence, this fits perfectly with Mill’s exception to free speech in the case of the mob and the corn merchant.
I hope all goes quietly and my journey is quite unnecessary. There are multiple far-right demonstrations today and perhaps this will not be one of those that gets nasty. But I shall be there ready to profess my truth and my opposition to fascism if called for.
Allowing fascists to speak and sitting mute ourselves – or being prevented from speaking by the police – is completely the wrong prescription.
I very much hope I don’t get arrested because I have to dash back to speak at the Free Palestine Film Festival this evening, Genesis Cinema, Mile End Road, London. Yesterday’s opening night was great and I will blog about it when life is less fraught. There may still be tickets for tonight – phone the cinema to check.
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Remember in southall in the 1970s the police escorted and protected the fascists as they made their incendiary nonsense speeches in the town hall. It took for the Bengali population to stand up to them, to smash their protests and in the end to actually fight the police in order for them to beat it.
These fights will have to happened again and the police will have to be beaten again.
If anyone hasn’t I strongly recommend this doc on the struggles on Bangladeshis and Indians in london etc
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/defiance-fighting-the-far-right
“fight the police” is a bad idea.
And if by “smash their protests” you mean starting violence, that’s a bad idea too.
You don’t have to like what other people say. But you do have to let them say it.
Shatnersrug – “These fights will have to happened again and the police will have to be beaten again.”
I’m really not sure this is true any more; the police have changed a lot since the 1970s – at least, the Met has, and is very ethnically diverse these days. Remember that it was a Chief Constable who stood up to Suella Braverman in November last year when, as Home Secretary, she tried to ban the pro-Palestine marches in London, and said, no, protest is a democratic freedom and there WILL be a march on Armistice Day.
Treat police officers well. Coppers are human too; it’s a working class job, and a tough, dangerous one too. Remember that a critical point in many revolutions has been when the police started defying the establishment by defending the people that establishment was exploiting and oppressing.
‘Changed a lot…’
Yeah just like the Manchester airport head stomping … pull the other one it’s got bells on.
You think that officer was following orders? Was he told, “go stomp this bloke’s head in so we can suspend you and refer our force to the complaints commission”?
I’m on demos a lot and I often talk to coppers, I always have, and I think, on average, their attitude is much better these days. A few are not so good, but overall a big improvement. That’s what I’ve found; how about you?
Systemic racism has never gone away.
Lawrence killers and police cover up has still not been dealt with.
Your anectdotal experience does not overide the fact that police – I don’t care how few – think it ok to stamp on or kick someone they are arresting in the head. That is not expert or professionally trained behaviour.
I agree; there will always be individuals attracted to employment in a police force so they can gain power over others; I still occasionally meet ones like that, but thankfully far less often than I used to. Let’s try to support the cops who aren’t like that.
Hear heat
Thanks for bringing tolerance to the tinder box created by a media we understand is controlled by market forces.
I might point out my whistle-blower complaint on just this activity of wedding markets to governance is more valid than ever. I would also state for the record what I can do from the position our legal framework has left me in is totally constrained. I understand my new MP is Gordon Brown’s pal, so I don’t doubt the imperial force of the privy council; will hold down the masses to defend the hierarchical system embedded long ago. Its a real shame because following the money through the history of our legislation highlights the subtle enslavement.
These demonstrations simply enhance the cause and effect designed to introduce private armies into society. This is more about our leaders terror, from inhumane decisions forced upon them by political agreements made with funders of advantage. Each advantage a grave disadvantage to the general society; with of course the required possibility for legal loopholes and bribes: some are more equal than others.
I can only say these market manipulations funded with the ponzi scheme of quantitative easing; introduced by Gordon Brown, foolishly: is a means to the debt enslavement of society. The idea that humanity will own nothing a reality the elite and the powers that spawned them know as a reality in law. Society is based on lies to make money – because the truth would never allow us to live in servitude.
Have a wonderful day and may your harmony bring such peace to others. Salome.
Excellent Robert.
Hear,hear to all of that.
The crisis of 2008 was a very difficult moment, and I wouldn’t particularly blame Brown for what happened, when a solution had to be found rapidly. It wasn’t his fault.
The real problem is slightly different: the money people found it easier and easier, through the new digital technology, to control their business, and thus keep the money in the hands of those who controlled it. The widening gap in incomes is very foolishly thought out, as it can only lead to revolt or revolution by the lumpen proletariat, or something resembling a revolution, which will likely overturn the so-called advantages of modern life, and everyone will lose, including the wealthy.
“ It wasn’t his fault.”
Maybe not, but he must have known about the derivatives, the “dark pools” and all those novel “financial instruments”. In the run-up to 2008, before becoming PM he was the Chancellor and I remember Murdoch’s mouthpieces dubbing him “the Iron Laddie” after he deliverered one of his budgets. AIG was headquartered in London, so he would have some responsibility for what followed. Compare G. Brown in the media to Jeremy Corbyn in the media – enough said
In Brown’s defence, apparently, Dennis Healy got a wake-up call from the IMF in the late seventies. So neither Britain’s economy nor it’s chief economic minister were probably greatly determinant when it came to the decisions made as responses to the systemic crisis.
My main complaint is he just did what any politician, careerist or time-server would do and go with flow and represent himself not his constituents nor the British people I guess if he had complained he never would have climbed, even briefly as he did to the top of Disraeli’s greasy pole, which I contend is a lot greasier today, for various multifarious reasons than when Disraeli was climbing it.
Difficult to change an entire system in a handful of years. Brown wasn’t a Thatcher, but a man of principle, I would say, not necessarily to his advantage.
Your wise words at this most troublesome time would be very welcome, I am sure, on the streets of Blackburn. Indeed, they would be welcome anywhere.
I also note, with distaste, that it hasn’t taken Comrade Starmer very long to introduce his own version of the Geheime Staatspolizei. He really ought to know better than to stoke the fires under this bubbling cauldron.
Starmer’s Security State credentials will come as no surprise to anyone who has read Oliver Eagleton’s ‘The Starmer Project: A Journey to the Right’
During (and likely before) his period as State Prosecutor, Starmer fostered (or was fostered by) deeply functional contacts with MI5, MI6 and Foggy Bottom. No DPP either before or since has had more trips to Washington – at interesting times.
The Calvary of Julian Assange owes much to these connections.
It is not clear when he was recruited – my guess is when he was at Oxford. But no sentient person can doubt that he WAS recruited.
His rise without trace in the Labour Party just as Corbyn was assaulted by ludicrous accusations based on the weaponisation of faux antisemitism demonstrates clear coordination between the various arms of the Establishment whose creature the ‘Labour’ Party clearly is – as one wing of the business Uniparty. A safe substitute while the wrecked Tory wing re-groups.
The billionaires are safe with Starmer.
“I also note, with distaste, that it hasn’t taken Comrade Starmer very long to introduce his own version of the Geheime Staatspolizei”
Herr Stürmer’s socialism was always very national.
Remember Cable Street when the Socialists defended the Jewish community from the blackshirts
…and the police defended the Blackshirts from the Jews and the Irish.
So, clue me in here, Craig. How is the police asking YOU not to come into Blackburn from the outside to protest somehow a threat to free speech, but stopping Tommy Robinson from doing the same would NOT be? Extra points if you can do it without sounding like it’s different when a highly educated, ex-diplomatic service member of what used to be called, in imperial times, “the heaven born” does it. Serious question here. What’s the difference?
Let me help you out – one of them is calling for attacks on innocent minorities. That bit about John Stuart Mill went right over your head, didn’t it?
@glenn_nl, I read that aka Tommy Robinson had to be given special legal training after his ignorance about the English legal tradition of innocent until proven guilty became an embarrassment/legal liability. Honestly, does he even know the values, history and traditions of the country he is supposedly championing? Maybe he needs to be set some kind of test.
He had some legal difficulties over his inability to understand contempt of court issues, too. Even after a judge spelt it out quite clearly for him.
SleepingDog – “Honestly, does he even know the values, history and traditions of the country he is supposedly championing? Maybe he needs to be set some kind of test.”
Look at his Blackburn Twitter post; he doesn’t know the plural of tragedy. This champion of England seems barely to know English. I suppose we should be relieved he never became an aircraft engineer.
I keep hearing the same quotation from Facebook when they closed his account — “uses dehumanising language and calls for violence aimed at Muslims.” I’m having trouble, however, finding the actual quote that calls for violence against Muslims itself. Help me out.
Seems like you need more help than I can give you, dude. Try a shrink.
It’s not a trick question. What was the incitement?
Context, Athanasius, Craig’s post is about context. Each time “Tommy Robinson” appeals to his followers they commit violence, so maybe he should stop appealing to them? You seem as thick as he is.
@Clark — source: trust me, bro. I’m beginning to wonder if there actually WAS any incitement. I’d like to think there was, because if there wasn’t, that would mean somebody is trying to gaslight the poor plebs. Who would do a thing like that?
To me, this looks like incitement:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/2/southport-stabbing-what-led-to-the-spread-of-disinformation
– “On Tuesday, Tommy Robinson, a far-right, anti-Islam campaigner, told his 800,000 followers on X that there was “more evidence to suggest Islam is a mental health issue rather than a religion of peace”.
“They’re replacing the British nation with hostile, violent, aggressive migrants. … Your children don’t matter to [the Labour government],” he said.”
Andrew Tate was worse though, whoever he is:
– Influencer Andrew Tate also said in a video on X that an “undocumented migrant” who had “arrived on a boat” had attacked the girls in Southport.
“The soul of the Western man is so broken that when the invaders slaughter your daughters, you do absolutely f****** nothing,” Tate said.
Athanasius – clearly an apologist for Brownshirt types – will doubtless dismiss all this as not _actually_ telling anyone to riot.
His mate Tate is – with his brother and various acolytes – a “pick-up artist”, misogynist, use-and-abuse advocate, semi house-trained rapist (at best), and hero to sad wankers known as Incells everywhere. I’m surprised Tate could take time for these tweets out of his heavy schedule defending himself against quite justified charges of sexual abuse, tax evasion, general grifting and allegations of coercing women into sex work while advising on how to violently abuse them.
Upstanding members of the community all – needless to say.
@ Clark and Glenn
If he’s not actually telling people to riot, he’s not inciting, so I’m still waiting for the proof of “incitement.” What it “sounds like” to you is irrelevant because you’re not some Hobbesian Leviathan who gets to decide unilaterally who’s a good guy and who’s a bad guy. He’s stating an opinion. This is what we mean by “free speech.” And his opinion is not just as valid as anyone else’s, it’s correct. The Labour Party does not give one infinitesimal damn about any working class person who is not either gay, trans or a member of an ethnic minority. Quite the reverse — they actively and aggressively hate them with every fibre of their being. Just try examining your own consciences for a moment. By what authority do either of you assume that YOU’RE bright enough to see through the Tommy Robinsons of the world, but, of course, the “ordinary” people can’t be expected to and consequently need your enlightened help and guidance?
Aathanasius: No, not “ordinary” people for Christ’s sake – obviously we’re talking about the thugs, racists and Nazi sympathisers who are only too willing to take a lead from a scumbag like “Tommy Robinson”.
“Ordinary” people don’t go around chanting that bastard’s name, showing up mob handed to attack Muslims, or posting apologia on blogs for him either for that matter.
Why don’t you sealion elsewhere? The support for the Zionist State Terrorist group displayed by the Stupid Waxy Lemon is well documented online. Try googling for it in between consuming your own faecal matter.
Your obvious attempts to pollute our host’s forum is noted and denied.
You want to ask the Zionist State Terrorist group sympathising moderation team at Meta, why the barely literate drivel from the Stupid Waxy Lemon was removed – feel free but stop SeaLioning here.
Blackburn has spoken. They told the good ambassador to get on his bike. I suggest he leaves them alone and takes his protest, albeit well meaning, elsewhere.
“Blackburn has spoken.”
When?
– “They told the good ambassador to get on his bike.”
No they didn’t; they gave him the bronze medal! Or silver, if you discount Labour as merely a default vote.
I find it hard to believe that anyone is stupid enough to believe that the murder of those little girls was a ‘Muslim’ inspired terrorist attack, or anything except the very sad and tragic consequence of a mentally deranged loner. Those murders were far more a consequence of the lack of mental health provision in the UK than any form of organised violence.
Besides, the killer was born in the UK. No mass murderer in the UK was an immigrant or the offspring of immigrants, none that spring to mind… Peter Sutcliffe, Harold Shipman, Fred West… even Ian Huntley (who murdered two girls) was as white as could be. The idea that immigrants have a tendency to murder is a risible nonsense. As immigration has gone up in recent years, the level of violent crime has actually decreased.
Clearly, those stirring up fears about murders and connecting it with immigrants are liars and hate mongers, shameless racist opportunists. Those who hear the calls to violence and act are nothing but hate-filled cowardly thugs happy to go along with blatant lies – the modern day equivalent of the bloodthirsty mobs burning out ‘witches’ or Jews or whoever had been ‘othered’ throughout the ages.
I recall there’s some research on second generation immigrants and some psych issues seeming statistically more likely to develop. Some more so in urban areas.
I’m confused what’s going on here politically because I only see mention his family were church-going Christians (from a Christian country). Somehow it’s reported he was diagnosed with autism, but that’s still too general a category to know him. How did he go from musicals to killing kids at a musical dance? The police don’t seem to be reporting any Muslim-inspired anti-music motive.
Certainly – being in a hostile environment is bound to shake a few screws loose. Those same issues are not found to anything like the degree among the population from which immigrants originally came.
Everyone knows that Rwanda is by far and away predominantly Christian (the poor devils). Absolutely crazed psychotics don’t actually need a reason for whatever they do. He might well have imagined these kids were small daemons, out to drag him to hell, for all we know. Maybe the shrinks will figure it out eventually.
What we do know is his killings had nothing to do Islam, which is the current target of these mobs of Nazis being encouraged to riot in Muslim areas. Nazis lie all the time – that’s the only way they can achieve their objectives.
I can’t swear that the same is true in Rwanda but the Nigerian newspaper my parents kept following their visit to Africa was full of witch doctors, voodoo, and possession, and the extreme actions of Christian priests to counter these. It sure ain’t C of E out there….
Belief of any kind is a dangerous thing. He made me do it, is an excuse which is not accepted whether you are 6 or 60. And a man in the sky is no exception. Reason is something we just assume is negotiable and subject to respectful debate.
According to the msm he came from Cardiff, everyone knows the Welsh hate the English, so there you go 🙂
SB: “… everyone knows the Welsh hate the English… “
Why might that be, SB?
According to the Independent (but I can’t verify it yet) the boy concerned is a Christian. (I assume by that his parents may have fled Rwanda because of their religion – only an assumption though).
Craig is spot on – this has nothing to do with the tragic deaths of these children and the other injured people. It is an opportunity to seek to divide by race (the boy is black but not a Muslim it appears).
Nigel (two passports) Farage is what I would loosely term the ‘Intellectual Interpreter’ of the politics and Robinson and his chums (someone is paying him and there are many culprits) are the Street Enforcers.
Free Speech is not and never was ‘free’ – there are consequences for your speeches and consequences for your actions – and your economic inactions. On the left and the right and particularly in the Centre.
The Western Centrist world talks leftish and right on, as they say, but its economic policy is the implementation of Neo-liberal economic policy. The policy of trickle Up to the Rich and no Trickle Down to the ordinary people.
The so-called ‘left behinders’ have been left behind by the implementers of this economic policy across the Western World and as far as I can see there has never been a Muslim or immigrant led country in the West, just generally white Christian politicians and leaders.
So – Farage being an ‘Intellectual’ should know this, and being a beneficiary of this economic method of exploitation the money that lands in his ordinary person’s Coutts bank account is a proof. He does know this but if he or Robinson are for the ‘Sovereignty’ of the UK, then being consistent they should tell the US where to stick it and not interfere in UK politics or economics.
I have never seen the Right demonstrating against the US (or Israel for that matter despite the Right being utterly antisemitic) as the left and the liberal left have and do.
So the ‘hands off our Sovereignty’ protesters don’t mind if the Yanks tell the UK what to do but are vehemently against the EU and everyone else telling the UK what to do. Despite their hero Farage grovelling to Trump and Robinson getting his funding from somewhere and living in Spain – which is in the EU.
So – two great patriots – One who has an EU Passport and a UK one, and another who lives not in his ‘Sovereign Country’ the UK but in this allegedly hated EU.
Rwanda is not a Muslim country. Mainly catholic with some Muslims.
Kenneth Erskine.
But I quite agree with all the rest of your comments.
I think you are right to mention patterns. What is odd is those people who insist that actions exist singly, as if memes or had merely face value or something. No, in our complex systems with adaptive agents, it is the patterns of interaction we need to pay special attention to, and not just in our backyard but globally. Coming to a political theatre near you…
Surely an important point is that a random person can phone the police and claim anyone is a troublemaker and the police will just accept and act on it. Otherwise surely they’d give other reasons. No doubt though there are people they’d not contact even if dozens complained.
I had a neighbor that did that to me once, but it turned out he was receiving disability payments for mental problems.
I can be wrong but in this case I assume in Germany Craig would meet much solidarity from all sides. I was shocked to hear the cowardly reaction by Hussain.
As the three little girls go, there is a famous documentary by Spike Lee – “4 Little Girls” (1997) – about the murder of Addie Mae Collins, Carol Denise McNair, Cynthia Wesley, Carole Rosamond Robertson in 1963 by a bomb detonating in the Baptist Church Birmingham, Alabama.
Unfortunately there is no complete version on youtube for whatever reason.
Some info
https://academics.winona.edu/povwinona/4-little-girls/
Seems to be on Provid AG – watching now, thanks
https://providosiki.ru/watch/ebuKaY0KIbI/4-little-girls-spike-lee-documentary/
The loss is probably limited but I would guess this is the slightly cut version fom youtube, which has a few minutes missing from the original 102 min. But let this not keep you from it. (I too should watch it again. I only saw it back then.)
The people in the documentary were powerful. The addition of George Wallace to the family, friends and ministers of the dead girls speaking was an incredible moment. The convicted bomber had been at it since the late forties – a real live domestic terrorist. Thanks for the tip I didn’t know of the film’s existence until you mentioned it
re missing bits – the soundtrack drops out a couple of times, one about 50-60 seconds the other about 2 minutes. The video does not drop out when the soundtrack does
The first moment I heard about the story now, “3 little girls” I immediately had to think of Lee´s film and I was sure everyone else would too, “4 Little Girls” being in the Oscars circuit, much discussed in the States, Democracy Now! I think had a 30-year special last year since the attack happened 1963. But eventually we all have our own little bubbles…
p.s. is it inappropriate to ask if this murder now could have been sort of “security-serviced” in some minor way, nudging people to a certain point? I don´t know what will come from this tragedy but it occurs in a period of European politics where such events are convenient for those under pressure…
Yea I would say it is to soon to say anything other than a British teenager has murdered and injured many children.
What is not untimely is asking how this guy “Tommy” figures in this story. Until “Tommy”responded to the social media rumours and organised the action, it was a terrible, inexplicable tragedy but after the “riot” it has become complex as well as tragic
Considering who “Tommy’s” friends are, considering who funds “Tommy”, the image consists of many overlays. During “Tommy’s” trip to Israel, Nutty introduced him in the Knesset as “a prominent British politician”. Does Nutty know something we don’t? How does Murdoch’s empire report on “Tommy”. There is no such thing as bad publicity. What does Starmer say about “Tommy”. Judging by the Spycops scandal, one would think that “Tommy’s” hangers-on would contain a fair few undercover operatives. One thing is clear about “Tommy” and that is nothing is clear about “Tommy”
AG it is the Society of the Spectacle
I guess that’s your answer. See you round.
Not if I see you first…
I read Mr Murray’s objection to the police inspector’s telephone call simply as a complaint against mild heavy-handedness, not as a complaint against an attempt to deny him his right to freedom of expression. But I agree that Blighty’s white working class are being gaslighted (gaslit?). Mr Farage doesn’t appear to be fooled by any of that.
Re: ‘Yesterday I received a phone call from a police Inspector…She asked me not to come to Blackburn…I am therefore on a train to Blackburn’
I would like to remind our host that the rozzers etc currently have enough on him to put him away for years & years without setting any new precedents. It is possible that he may be able to oppose fascism from a prison cell by tweeting or posting to this blog using a cheap smartphone that’s arrived via a bent screw or someone’s anal cavity and set him back five grand or so – but probably only till the authorities are made aware and have his cell searched.
“I would like to remind our host that the rozzers etc currently have enough on him to put him away for years & years without setting any new precedents.”
I really don’t think that Craig has forgotten that. However, he thinks that his presence in Blackburn, where he has friends, is more important than skulking around with only an internet presence. It’s something called courage.
Thanks for your reply Bayard. How was his presence in Blackburn important? Would he have been able to deter the hokeyed-up hordes from rioting there if they’d so wished? I echo A Concerned Blackburn Resident’s sentiments below. As for courage, is that why he’s spent much of this year in Switzerland & Greece separated from his young family? But let’s not get started on that again – I’ve had enough trouble of late trying to explain what a country is to Cabbage Patch.
Anyway, in the latest UK political figures / TV sci-fi characters installment, it seems that Starmzy is now doing Davros’s job. It’s Starmergeddon!
https://x.com/NotFarLeftAtAll/status/1819675943683706940
I’m sure Craig has deep respect for your opinions.
https://x.com/NotFarLeftAtAll
Thanks for your reply Reza. Up to him whether he respects my opinions or not* – but he shouldn’t blame me if he ends up back in clink or gets sued to ****.
FYI I’ve been monitoring right-wing/far-right accounts on TwitterX dot com lately to keep track of what’s been happening in the riots (as presumably has our host, since he’s been quote-tweeting Tommy Robinson) and had a few trips down memory lane seeing quite a few of my old haunts in Middlesbrough, Sunderland, as well as the less touristy parts of Leeds, in the process. Don’t worry, I’m immune to far-right shite; ditto far-left shite.
* He usually doesn’t, though occasionally he comes round to my way of seeing things – as have several people over the years. The only problem is it takes long enough.
It was important for Craig and all people of good heart to protect our country and our communities.
The Zionist Pogroms on the Streets of England and Wales are attempts to harm the people of the United Kingdom.
All people should condemn it, resist it, and encourage those who are in need of solidarity to rely on their countrymen old and new who will mobilise and stand with them in their hour of need.
This is a decent country, far better than our government and our media would have you believe.
Craig as an white man of a certain class and certain age is demonstrating that this filth is not in his name. As are the Jewish Bloc on the Palestine marches, demonstrating that this filth is not in their name.
The multi-ethnic multi-class solidarity in this country is broad and deep, Craig inspires other by dint of his fundamental decency. It’s important for us all to do what we can to birth the better world we all deserve.
Craig seems to have an oppositional personality 🙂
“someone’s anal cavity and set him back five grand or so”
It’s a lot cheaper here. They fire the phones in over the high walls with heavy crossbows The consumer can even pick what model they want, limited only by the phone’s aerodynamic qualities. With the advent of the drone, the top spot long enjoyed by cavities, anal or otherwise, could be under pressure, in terms of their popularity to the smugglers of prison contraband – a worrying development I think you would agree? Will prisons have to deploy anti-drone systems?
“The consumer can even pick what model they want, limited only by the phone’s aerodynamic qualities.”
and, presumably, their ability to hit a hard surface at high speed without being destroyed.
In the case I’m thinking of, several attempts were made to supply a phone to an alleged gang-land killer on remand awaiting trial. When the people on the outside perfected the technique, the prisoner used the phone to ring up the prosecution witnesses and threaten them and their families with retribution if they gave evidence. It worked the case was dropped
The prison governor wasn’t happy about the story being reported not for shame but so as not to encourage copy-cat actions. I note the story has disappeared from the archive of the local paper
Thanks for your reply Will. I’d imagine they’ll charge him a premium for being middle class – and for not describing him as a nonce to some of the more cerebrally challenged inmates. Didn’t know about the crossbows, but I’ve known about the drones for a fair while. Best way to deal with them is jammers like they have in Ukraine.
Your friend David Miller lays out what is really going on in this brief thread.
“What’s causing the Islamophobic riots across the UK, and why now?”
1. The riots have been instigated by the Zionist asset Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (‘Tommy Robinson’), who has been working for the State of Israel since 2009 as part of the so-called ‘counterjihad’ Islamophobia movement established by that state. When his organisation, the English Defence League, was incorporated in 2011, two years after its inception, it was named the English & Jewish Defence League. The Jewish Defence League, a Zionist terrorist organisation, has been a key part of violent Islamophobic street thuggery in the UK over the past decade.
2. Yaxley-Lennon is one of the most high-profile actors in the State of Israel’s Online Influencers Programme in response to Operation Al-Aqsa Storm. He and others, like Oli London, Noa Tishby, Hen Mazzig, Arsen Ostrovsky and Emily Schrader (and many others) are paid to distribute Zionist propaganda, of which pushing back against pro-Palestine protests and sowing Islamophobia are two important and interlinked aims.
3. The recent Islamophobic riots in the UK should be seen as the latest phase of the State of Israel’s war on British Muslims, who it sees as originating the protest movement in the UK. These riots are designed to punish Muslims for their anti-Zionist sentiment after various other methods to suppress opposition to Zionism by the State of Israel have been thwarted. The State of Israel’s attempts to use its assets and operatives in the British political and media class — such as Suella Braverman and Michael Gove — to thwart pro-Palestinian protests have failed. Zionist counter-protests have failed to mobilise significant numbers. Sporadic Zionist thuggery and the use of other assets — such as Iranian secularist extremists — have also failed to intimidate Muslims. So now the State of Israel is weaponising its cannon fodder on the white nationalist far-right, who have greater numbers than either Zionist street thugs or Iranian monarchists and secularist extremists.
4. Finally, there are also questions about which actor authored the idea that Muslims were responsible for the ostensible triggers for these events. MI6 and its assets (eg Paul Mason) are desperately trying to pretend this was a Russian disinfo op. But the original stories did not come from Russia. Where did they come from?
The problem with the above John Stuart Mill quote is following:
The situation pictured concerning the mob standing in front of the merchant´s house is the very same used today by law enforcement with the supplement “inciting” any bad action. But if we do not draw a line 100% between word and deed we will always offer law enforcement a back door to interfere.
Take as an opposite example the famous 1977 SCOTUS case of “National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie”, where the court allowed US Neo-Nazis to parade and protest through the Jewish quarter.
Even though it was well known that countless Holocaust survivors lived in that quarter.
That I call freedom of speech.
I assume today not possible.
Regarding John Stuart Mill we should keep in mind that after all he was a member of the British elite – another reason why he chose the merchant´s side in above comparison – a Company man and as such well aware not only what power meant, but what was necessary to keep it.
Mill´s support and demand for opening China via India by force for the drug trade has to been seen in that light. So he was no angel.
This speaks volumes of your privileged life unaffected by unfettered immigration. Clearly the plight of white working class Englishmen is not high on your agenda. Whilst I have no truck with fascists of either the left or right wings, they have the right to speak and be heard.
Maybe George Galloways quote re. the two cheeks of the same arse’ can be applied to the left and right groups at these protests ? A lot of noise but noone is addressing the underlying issues.
Speaking and being heard is one thing, but carrying out racist attacks, tearing down walls and using the bricks to attack shops and mosques, burning cars – in short, causing mayhem – is another matter.
These are gangsters who have used a tragic and murderous attack on a group of innocent children by a clearly deranged young man as an excuse for organised violent criminal behaviour. I am glad to hear the PM’s assurance that the law will deal with them, as firmly as it takes. Violent criminals belong in jail.
“Clearly the plight of white working class Englishmen is not high on your agenda.”
What is this plight of which you speak, the horror and degradation of having to live next to dark-skinned people?
@Bayard Two options:
You are genuinely so ignorant you really believe your comment is all that needs to be said on nativist sentiment, in which case you should remain quiet until you’re not as ignorant.
Or, more likely, you know there’s more to be said, but you give us this uncharitable drivel, your bailey of ‘it’s only hatred, therefore discarded’, and on pushback you will move to the motte of ‘you must admit plain racialism is a factor here’. In this case, your comment amounts to social violence, you can’t be reasoned or compromised with, and our differences can only be resolved through action, so you have no ground to complain when nativists take it.
It’s drivel. Firstly there is no “White Working Class” as distinct from the “NonWhite Working Class”.
There is Rich and Poor and the Precariat in the UK.
The multi-ethnic Precariat are cleaners, nail-technicians, casual labour on sites with CSC cards.
The poor are poor despite most not recognising the designation because simply they are not Rich and not in the Precariat.
The Rich, The Poor, and The Precariat are in the UK not distinguished by Ethnic background.
The differences are much more pronounced by Education and Parental Wealth.
You are lumping a first generation Polish worker who has no social networks, in with a third generation Irish Londoner and suggesting they have the same social-economic opportunities because they have the same colour skin.
There is work very unevenly distributed in the country so the real divide is the former industrial heart of the country, where there is no work to replace the larger industries removed by Thatcher and her heirs, and the Large cities which host business.
That’s a bit too deep for your sort, so carry on worshipping people who hate you. The Working Classes of this country have always been Multi-Ethnic, Multi-Racial. Keep our good name out of your mouth.
“ white “
It’s GAMMON if you want to pick from the palette.
Free speech means everyone and anyone has the right to publicly state their views. That includes fascists and the likes of Tommy Robinson as well as people who support unconstrained and uncontrolled immigration.
I certainly don’t support what’s happening to our country but it’s the government and the likes of Soros that is to blame not people standing up and stating the bleeding obvious, ‘rivers of blood’ are going to destroy us, we were warned.
Re: ‘‘rivers of blood’ are going to destroy us, we were warned.’
You seem to have changed your tune, Stevie, if you don’t mind me saying so. Anyway, if it’s of any comfort, I don’t think there’ll be too much blood spilled* in the UK’s gradual transition to an Islamic society – not least because I’d say half of the idiots in Southport etc will be dead of hokey-related heart attacks within ten years. Continental Europe on the other hand: different story. I’m fairly sure that Muslims there won’t be making the same mistake that the Jews did – forearmed is forearmed. (Note: this is all assuming that Putin doesn’t nuke us.)
* which I doubt will be much comfort to the families of the victims, of course
Sadly, anyone who disagrees with the MSM, pro-Palestine, pro-immigration agenda is deemed to be a fascist. Demonstrations were long overdue, but not the current rent-a-mob mayhem and destruction we are now experiencing. I believe that the killing of the three girls was the final straw, but the bust up at Manchester Airport had already lit the fuse (pardon the confused metaphors).
There’s no connection between progressive political agendas, and the killing of three children by a lunatic with Rwandan parents. End of.
James, I think we must be reading a very different MSM. The MSM that I’ve been observing for a couple of decades has slavishly been carrying water for Israel, and you are doing your argument no favours by suggesting that it has been biased in favour of Palestine. Even when the ICJ found that the events in Gaza plausibly constitute a genocide, the media were trying to discredit or dilute the message.
“anyone who disagrees with the MSM, pro-Palestine, pro-immigration agenda is deemed to be a fascist”
I haven’t noticed a pro-Palestine agenda in the MSM.
Mr Cavendish,
In the not-too-distant future, we will all likely become refugees. When that comes to pass, I very much hope that you will find kindness, compassion and a warm bed to lie down in. When you do, I hope you recall this exchange.
Regards.
Nah that’s just load of hyperbolic nonsense just like Gorgeous George throwing verbose petrol on the contrived ‘mass protests’.
“George Galloway
@georgegalloway
14h
There are mobs roaming UK cities violently attacking any non-white people they can find. Our weakened police force is being attacked their vehicles and police stations set on fire. The Prime Minister is missing. Thousands are in fear of their lives. Our armed forces are EVERYWHERE else but HERE.
Aug 3, 2024 · 9:12 PM UTC ‘
Shows his true ‘Colors’ as agit prop rabble rouser, as usual.
Would you care to explain exactly what “George Soros” has to do with the price of fish?
I don’t want some person to call for the murder of my fellow citizens in thinly veiled racist comments.
I’m personally unsurprised when people of good character physically chastise people who, emboldened by Zionist messages, spew forth hatred.
The Zionist State Terrorist group have bought the previous government, signing an agreement to prevent BDS and help in the Genocide. https://www.declassifieduk.org/uk-military-support-for-israels-genocide-was-pre-planned/
The Public are opposed to the Genocide, so the Zionists have unleashed a pogrom on the British people fronted by the Street Zionists of the EDL and the Media Zionists who soft-soaping domestic terror directed from a foreign terrorist organization which is inciting murder and attacks against our legal system (specifically targeting solicitors).
Free Speech means the government doesn’t arrest you for your speech. Except it’s so larded with caveats as to be practically worthless.
The idea is great but in practice it means bigots expect to spew hatred and racist dribble without violent assault.
I deprecate this assumption. The idea of allowing bigots to spew their hatred unopposed was a flawed one in my view.
There is a price for racist bigotry, during a cost of living crisis, people cannot be expected to subsidize bigots.
The USA equivalent of the JS Mill quote is, from a Supreme Court judge, that freedom of speech doesn’t include the right to shout Fire in a crowded theater (deliberately using the American spelling). It comes down to much the same distinction – speech that leads to physical consequences isn’t necessarily a right. Speech that leads to someone feeling uncomfortable is a grey area but, given that someone could maliciously claim that anything someone else says offends them or makes them uncomfortable, I think that sort of speech has to be allowed.
Tommy the Jew?
that creep needs to be exposed for what he is and who he is agitating on the behalf of.
Not defending him but the fact is he is not a jew. Whether his anti Islamic views means he is pro zionism is unclear.
OTOH, Starmer and his colleagues, who have also jumped on this bandwagon, are self proclaimed zionists, as are a lot of BBC staff. So, maybe Robinson identifies as a new labour and MSM supporter ?
Need to be aware that there is a very definite establishment agenda to vilify Robinson, his supporters and anyone espousing similar views. I believe it’s important to stand back from what we are told and question what might actually be going on.
“ Whether his anti Islamic views means he is pro zionism is unclear.”
I seem to recall he is extremely pro Zionist.
If you want I can post a link of him standing on a Israeli tank, whilst cradling an assault rifle with the crew in the background. You should make this request of me Stevie Boy because on the same page there is a video discussion of one of Mr Yaxley-Lennon’s or Mr Tommy Robinson’s or or Mr John McMaster or whatever the fuck his name is, alternative identities. You may be surprised at how good he is at dressing-up, a real master of disguise LOL
“Transmit the message to the receiver
Hope for an answer someday
I got three passports, a couple of visas
You don’t even know my real name”
— Life During Wartime, Talking Heads
The tank was in the Golan Heights, and the picture was taken during ‘Tommy’s’ visit to Israel at Netanyahu’s invitation. There’s also photographs of him at the Knesset, where Netanyahu introduced him as a prominent British politician and friend of Israel, enthusiastically shaking his hand as the chamber gave him a standing ovation. If I remember rightly, he was between passports at the time, but apparently had no difficulty getting in and out of the country.
“prominent British politician”
Lol. When Trump was prez I watched a vid where he introduced Nigel Farage as “The King of Europe”
Like I said, I’m not defending him and I don’t give a toss what he is or what he isn’t, I don’t follow him …
The point here is that there is an agenda in play and it appears to me that everyone is off down the Robinson rabbit hole and distracted from the real issues – which the government is not addressing.
I’m not thinking about anything but the attack itself.
I find it difficult to believe someone just does this. Violence is usually the culmination of a mental process, which usually takes a while to build. Someone has to find out what this was. There must be signs, or symptoms if you prefer, to indicate why this seventeen year old did this?
What agenda are you referring to Stevie Boy?
I say ‘Tommy the Jew’ ironically because he is remarkably tight with far right Zionist elements, he’s been invited to Israel, is funded from abroad with the significant donors being ardent Zionists, lately he was even implying that he might have some tenuous Jewish heritage,
I’ve always thought of him as the public face of a psy-op that popularises anti Muslim sentiment, making the War of Terror more palatable, or tolerable, for the British public and then increasingly taking the side of Israel over the Palestinians,
it’s evident that those who take a moderate and liberal stance on Israel don’t want anything to do with him because he positions himself with the ultra’s and zealots at the far end of the right of the spectrum, you have to appreciate that the BBC and the Labour Party in terms of Zionism are ‘wets’, whereas the Likud and the settlers are, to use John Majors terminology “the bastards”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-are-us-pro-israel-groups-boosting-a-far-right-anti-muslim-uk-extremist/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-israel-palestine-protest-b1852669.html
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/tommy-robinson-visited-israel-a-response-to-the-jewish-chronicles-attack/
if you want to know who someone is really working for, look to who is funding them, he who pays the piper calls the tune.
Who funds the “moderates” that are supplying cover and equipment for genocide?
https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-half-of-keir-starmers-cabinet/
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230613-uk-labours-major-donor-is-israel-lobbyist-who-profited-from-south-african-apartheid/
I understand, however all Jews are not zionists, so a less tolerant person might call that antisemitic 🙂 .
The reality is that the nutters in Israel can only do what they do because of the likes of Starmer and his mates. He may be ‘wet’ but that wetness comes from the blood on his hands.
There is no such thing as a mad dog, just mad owners.
Matt, have a look at this 2 min vid of “Tommy Robinson”
Is it “Tommy Robinson” or his body double? Lol!
https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=pOk9uqAXfeo
“there is a very definite establishment agenda to vilify Robinson, his supporters and anyone espousing similar views.”
He could still be a deep state asset though.
The Zionist State Terrorist group funded Stupid Waxy Lemon is a convicted fraudster, serial grifter and co-founder of the EDL which was originally the Jewish Defense League, a UK affiliate of a US Terrorist organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League
His behaviour on behalf of the foreign terrorist organisation Zionist State Terrorist Group (ZSTG) are well documented.
His Judaism or other faith is not material to his being a terrorist funded scumbag who’s fit only for a milkshake or to cry to Ross Kemp on camera.
Good for you. I hope your influence in Blackburn helps the whole community (and the whole country, if it is reported).
Hopefully your Palestinian friends will be able to arrange access to the films for you if you can’t get tickets, and they coud then be put on Youtube with your alternative commentary. You might even be able to hold an alternative online film festival in this way!
It’s the Streisand Effect in action – they tell you not to do something, and it only focuses your attention on it even more. Robinson and his band of thugs are only interested in violence – violence against a certain denomination of society. We should be asking ourselves – with all that’s going on across West Asia right now – isn’t it a bit timely for these riots to occur?
I wouldn’t be surprised one little bit – if the suspect in the Southport crimes had been groomed, or was known to the English security services. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time that has happened – Salman Abedi, for one, springs to mind.
Over on Moon of Alabama there’s an excellent post by Roger, quoting a David Miller:
What’s causing the Islamophobic riots across the UK, and why now?
1. The riots have been instigated by the Zionist asset Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (‘Tommy Robinson’), who has been working for the State of Israel since 2009 as part of the so-called ‘counterjihad’ Islamophobia movement established by that state. When his organisation, the English Defence League, was incorporated in 2011, two years after its inception, it was named the English & Jewish Defence League. The Jewish Defence League, a Zionist terrorist organisation, has been a key part of violent Islamophobic street thuggery in the UK over the past decade.
2. Yaxley-Lennon is one of the most high-profile actors in the State of Israel’s Online Influencers Programme in response to Operation Al-Aqsa Storm. He and others, like Oli London, Noa Tishby, Hen Mazzig, Arsen Ostrovsky and Emily Schrader (and many others) are paid to distribute Zionist propaganda, of which pushing back against pro-Palestine protests and sowing Islamophobia are two important and interlinked aims.
3. The recent Islamophobic riots in the UK should be seen as the latest phase of the State of Israel’s war on British Muslims, who it sees as originating the protest movement in the UK. These riots are designed to punish Muslims for their anti-Zionist sentiment after various other methods to suppress opposition to Zionism by the State of Israel have been thwarted. The State of Israel’s attempts to use its assets and operatives in the British political and media class — such as Suella Braverman and Michael Gove — to thwart pro-Palestinian protests have failed. Zionist counter-protests have failed to mobilise significant numbers. Sporadic Zionist thuggery and the use of other assets — such as Iranian secularist extremists — have also failed to intimidate Muslims. So now the State of Israel is weaponising its cannon fodder on the white nationalist far-right, who have greater numbers than either Zionist street thugs or Iranian monarchists and secularist extremists.
4. Finally, there are also questions about which actor authored the idea that Muslims were responsible for the ostensible triggers for these events. MI6 and its assets (eg Paul Mason) are desperately trying to pretend this was a Russian disinfo op. But the original stories did not come from Russia. Where did they come from?
I’m in no position to verify any of this, but it sounds all too plausible.
Sounds like a complete load of weed-induced paranoid bollax to me!
Yes, weed does make things look like paranoid bollox, it’s one of its disadvantages.
Are you speaking from experience here Bayard?
Only vicarious
so you choose to dismiss this out of hand instead of doing a little reading yourself to see if there is anything to this?
It’s chaff. The festering unrest is not really about Muslims, Palestine or Tommy Robinson it’s about uncontrolled immigration into the UK at the rate of 200 to 300,000 per year for nearly the last decade.
The problem is not immigration, that’s just a symptom, the problem is the myth that we have to have continual economic growth. In order to have continued economic growth, you need continued growth of the workforce. In order to have continued growth of the workforce, you need continued growth of the birthrate eighteen to twenty years previously. Something that happened twenty years ago is not something that can be altered today, so the only way to produce continued economic growth is to import workers, i.e. immigration. Why do we need continued economic growth? So that the bankers can continue to make money lending us money. The bankers don’t want to be seen as the problem, so they persuade everyone that the migrants are the problem and xenophobia does the rest.
Bayard. Totally agree.
Are you a psychiatrist James?
Because if you are not, I have to ask how you know?
Don’t you mean psychic, as opposed to trick cyclist !
Really? Sounds very much in line with what Al Jazeera uncovered in their “Labour Files” investigative documentary, as well as what journalist Lee Fang uncovered through his investigations.
The Zionist spewing nonsense disputes on what evidence. You are saying you are regularly drug-addled and you suggest this lends your unevidenced assertions credibility.
That which can be asserted without evidence is likely bollocks “James”.
This is becoming completely absurd, I mean the accusations against Russia.
We once discussed here the tendency to denigrate Russia, and one of the commentators told me why, according to Western media, Russians should not be liked. In that long list was the item “Russians listen to classical music”.
I didn’t have the opportunity to ask then whether this was really considered something inhuman, or was simply inserted for comic effect. But the idea that my admiration for some classical masterpieces can cause hostility, still haunts me.
A funny poem has been circulating on our side for a long time. I will translate it as best I can, but I can’t keep the rhyme, sorry.
It’s raining and hail outside – It’s Putin’s fault!
The cat abandoned her kittens – It’s Putin’s fault.
You didn’t like the movie, you stepped in shit,
Every democrat knows – It’s Putin’s fault!
Who in my entryway pissed the elevator to the ceiling yesterday?
Comrades, believe me – It’s Putin’s hand!
The rain is soaking a liberal – Putin is laughing merrily.
Did your dacha get flooded? – It must be Putin, no doubt!
Did a thunderstorm catch you on the road? – The Kremlin’s hand got you.
Cold, wind, snowfall – It’s Putin’s fault again.
A hurricane blows off the roof? – It’s Putin taking revenge on fools.
Storm, tsunami, flood? – It’s Putin, no doubt!
A downpour, a landslide, a cyclone – Of course he’s to blame
A mudflow, an avalanche, a rockfall? – It’s clear: Putin’s to blame!
Tornado, typhoon, earthquake – There is no escape from Putin!
Did a crow peck you in the head? – It was a young friend of the OMON.
Do bees and wasps sting you? – It is Putin’s Special Forces.
Do you see this bumblebee? – It is in the service of the Kremlin!
If you believe in such things – It is just paranoia!
We have quite a good range of scapegoats here in the West. Anything to do with the weather or natural disasters is blamed on “Climate Change” (which doesn’t mean climate change). Russia has to compete with Iran, North Korea and China for being blamed for anything bad happening internationally. Domestically, the Socialists blame the Nationalists and vice versa for any political or economic problems, that is, when they are not both blaming the immigrants. Everyone gets blamed for everything except the people who are actually responsible for the trouble. They are the ones orchestrating the whole blame game and making sure, when the shit hits the fan, none of it lands on them.
Tatyana
I think people just believe the rubbish they see on CBC, BBC etc. The information is not just factually inaccurate, there is a lot not reported. Putin has been demonised since he became visible. Many people love Russia because of its culture – including classical music, vastness, beauty, history including the role of the Red Army in WW2, world view and don’t fall for the propaganda against Russia.
A person from Fort McMurray tweeted me that Putin called Trudeau and offered help during the wildfires in 2016 – water bombers, technical help, personnel. I expect there are very many similarities between Russia and Canada – vegetation, climate, terrain etc. and Russia has the same issues with fire, flood etc. Trudeau refused the help. She is still furious about it and of course doesn’t swallow the rubbish ascribed to Putin/Russia in the MSM. Suspect there are many up there with the same opinion!
Hope all is well!
PS I’ll ask the next bee I see to say hi!
Tatyana, Putin has committed the unforgivible sin of improving the lot of his people.
Russia is simply too sophisticated, too rich and too large to not make the US Empire and its vassals gnash their teeth in rage.
Russia refuses vassalage, and the racists will never forgive her for that.
I think that your poem is perfectly to the point. I wish we had someone who cared for the UK like Putin cares for Russia.
Well, who believes anything we’re being told, really? I wouldn’t be surprised if the protests were being orchestrated by some elements of the authorities, and any members of the general public involved are simply in the wrong place. The media have been trying to frighten and inflame people but I doubt it will work after their industrial lies over covid. What a coincidence that the general election was only a few weeks ago.
” I wouldn’t be surprised if the protests were being orchestrated by some elements of the authorities”
I don’t think you can go far wrong with that assumption. A conspiracy theory is just a theory involving a conspiracy. It would only be automatically false if conspiracies never happened.
Visiting Tommy Robinson’s Wiki page, I find it is very, very long. It has 246 references.
The more famous Huw Edwards, in the news this week, has but 86 references
It seems surprising there should be such a tome written about ‘ a yobbo’ by the official encyclopedia
Huw Edwards ! How’s about that folks, Keir’ll fix it, I’m sure.
The parallels between the current riots and the George Gordon Riots of 1780 are striking.
Do elaborate, please.
Read Barnaby Rudge by Dickens.
He describes the mob madness that can be created- using apprentice boys in these days just as the few dozens of garrison town gammons have been recruited and bussed around – poor, stoopid and proud, yelling my ‘cunterrry’
It seems highly HIGHLY unlikely to me that Axel Rudakubana just suddenly got it into his head to go and murder a bunch of kids at a dance class for no reason at all and just for the sake and the hell of it, and the only thing that occurred to me is that he did it in ‘response’ to all the tens of thousands of children being killed and maimed in Gaza by Israel. And if that WAS his motive for doing it, then even if he has told the police that it was, or the police have determined from his social media comments or diaries or whatever that that was his motive, then the police will of course – and for obvious reasons – not be divulging it to the MSM and, as such, the general public.
Yes, you would still have to be pretty disturbed and fucked-up to do such a thing, or be even able to do such a thing on account of the mass slaughter of children in Gaza, but maybe that’s what provoked him…. It would be interesting to learn if he was on some medication or other for depression or some other mental condition/disorder.
And I should point out that I’m not suggesting or implying that the right-wing rioters are rioting and targeting mosques because THEY think that’s why Axel Rudakubana did what he did, and they are just being stirred up for the obvious reason.
Why would a Rwandan Christian, Catholic I suppose, be that bothered about the deaths in Gaza – particularly to want to slaughter Brits? I don’t see that logic, however sick he is.
I think that all of us here are bothered about the deaths in Gaza. Killing children is happening every day there, but not here. We want it to stop there. We don’t want it to happen anywhere. So what motivated this action? Killing is unacceptable in polite society. By any faction. Keep the dialogue open
Laguerre.
Israel murders every Palestinian leader who comes close to a ceasefire – or has hopeful plans for a two-state solution – and by doing so, Israel keep the Palestinians under Israeli jackboots.
https://zeteo.com/p/israel-history-killing-hamas-ismail-haniyeh
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/03/patrick-lawrence-the-murder-of-ismail-haniyeh/
Whether it is Gaza, Muslims, fundamental Christian beliefs, witchcraft, medication or just voices in his head, he will have a reason for what he did. Sadly, in each instance it can primarily be traced back to be caused by government failures. We will probably never be told his reasons.
re RoS & Alyson
No doubt the killing of Gaza children is troubling – I feel it as much as any – but I don’t understand why that would lead an unstable mind to kill British children.
Laguerre
Young peoples minds – some of them at least can easily be radicalised under the right conditions – it wouldn’t be the first time the security services have encouraged, coaxed and groomed a young person into committing a serious crime.
For me – the core of these riots across England were planned in advance – and hooligans and useful idiots have jumped onto the thuggery bandwagon – and its all aimed at demonising one particular denomination – Muslims, I think its to do with what’s going on in West Asia right now – to drum up some sort of support for the Zionists and their genocide – you’d be surprised at how much influence in the UK the Zionists have.
Why would being a chris lead someone to be indifferent to genocide?
“whatever that that was his motive, then the police will of course – and for obvious reasons – not be divulging it to the MSM and, as such, the general public.”
I can agree Rudakubana seems unlikely to have just done this. Yet without more info, it will remain opaque. I have read his family were big on religion, but until I find a reliable source for this it’s mere hearsay.
You speculate he acted because of the many thousands of children Israel is killing yet you also speculate that we will never know his motive for carrying out the attack.
So what is the point of speculating about this motive? With all of the trouble caused by speculating about this tragic event, more speculation isn’t going to help. To demonstrate, he could have done it because he was emulating the Israeli military’s child-killing prowess in Gaza. Speculating about the motives of people who kill children is without more data, pointless at best, and at worst, as we have seen in the aftermath of the attack in Southport, destructive and hateful.
The riots are occurring because of speculation on social media that it was perpetrated by an asylum seeker, even a Moslem one but it wasn’t. The attack was carried out by a British teenager who came from a Christian family – they had emigrated from Rwanda to Britain before the attacker was even born.
He travelled some distance to get to the Hart Centre so it’s probable that he had an imagined grudge against it, maybe attended some event there which hadn’t gone well.
I think the idea he attacked those children as a protest or reaction to events in Gaza is fanciful.
The Prisons are full of the Sad, the Mad and the Bad. The majority are Sad and Mad not Bad.
I’ll wager this person had a psychotic break. He’s a kid just 17.
The chances of this being some deliberate campaign by a person in full possession of their faculties seems unlikely. Evil exists in the world, but so does severe mental illness.
There was likewise a nurse who spent quite a long time deliberately harming children. However as she was both White and Female, those deaths didn’t seem to result in the same reaction.
That would suggest the children were not the proximate cause of the Zionist State Terrorist group directed Pogroms on the UK.
Video messaging calling for attacks on people seems to lead back to the Stupid Waxy Lemon himself, who is known to be an asset of the Zionist State Terrorist group.
Standing up to be counted, how splendid.
A very well written article, and true in more ways than one.
The Tommy fan boys probably don’t even know that he’s living in Spain, yet they chant his name as though he is one of them, and Tommy will no doubt claim that he’s living in Spain for his own safety🤣🤣
It’s nothing to do with the weather, or lifestyle, honest.
Thanks, Craig, for coming to Blackburn and being with the people of the town once again. Something that the “elected MP” should be doing.
Do you think it’s a mere coincidence that racists across England suddenly feel emboldened to attack Muslims after 10 months of seeing Muslims slaughtered on a live feed, with impunity, by British bombs? Of Muslims being depicted by British politicians and media as terrorists because they dare to resist dispossession and occupation by whites? After 10 months of anti genocide demonstrations in England being portrayed by politicians and media as seditious and hateful?
Is it disgraceful/ disgusting/ antisemitic and so on to suggest Britain’s political and media elites – Labour and Conservative – bear considerable responsibility for this sudden targeting of violence against Muslims?
It’s easy for you, isn’t it, Craig? You’re not from Blackburn, and you can come and go as you please. Plus, you’re not a Muslim, who are the targets of the far-right. Did you notice that they didn’t specify a time on their poster for the demonstration? That wasn’t their intention; they wanted to incite angry Asian men to gather—just like they did—wearing balaclavas, looking sharp, and chanting religious slogans in the streets, which is exactly what unfolded, largely encouraged by you and promoted by you. The far-right then shared this, pleased to achieve the outcome they had always sought. The Blackburn MP did what a responsible leader should do: he issued a statement urging people to stay away and let the police handle the situation, rather than suggesting that people distrust the police and take matters into their own hands. You are a dangerous individual, a threat to Muslims, and while you may not face the same repercussions, they will.
What repercussions will who face for nonviolent protesting?
It is clear that the it is contrived to transfer attention from the ziofascists daily mass murder by the illegal apartheid entity in the Levant.
Which is about to meet its nemesis.
One doesn’t need to research much to see who are the backers of Yaxley-Lenin ’Tommy’ and the EDL rent-a-mob bovver ‘boys’ from garrison towns.
Look up DoubleDownNews and Lowkey.
Don’t forget those EDL’ get police PROTECTION- and are kept safe from genuine local folk always.
Remember when they were allowed in Westminster? You could look from cop to fascist, fascist to cop and you’d see a mirror image.
Haven’t seen a single EDL attemot here in East London – the last time they tried about a dozen years ago the police moved their route through a back street as we waited for them on the main road they had planned.
Fascist cowards protected and run by the state and dinosaur imperialists. Losers.
“Haven’t seen a single EDL attemot here in East London”
Are there any white working class bovver boys left in East London? Isn’t it gentrified or immigrant now?
The only ones I know of are in the Met. 😆
There’s plenty of normal people in London, just because some rat ran to Essex gammon new townships doesn’t mean everyone did. Most are born and raised with multiple ethnicities and religions. They ALL get along and are happy friends. The only rivalry they display is the usual religion of the masses Opium – Tottenham, Spurs, Westham and now Leighton Orient – plus plenty who have come to work and settle with their support of further way teams – Chelsea…Man UTd,City,Liverpool,Leeds’s, Newcastle ..
The News and most politicians are LYING. Just as Lammy the FS Zio tool is.
Your implication is that if they weren’t ‘protected’ then you and your mates were going to give them a good kicking !
If so, then the reality is that you and your mates are just another bunch of thugs. Tell me I’m wrong.
It’s the only language some people understand, SB.
They come into our neighbourhood from far away, bought fascists telling us they don’t like us. They can go fuck themselves. We don’t let them walk though our streets with their vile opinion. Your make them tea and biscuits right?
Your neighbourhood, your streets, really ! Sounds like some sort of ghetto. What’s the police’s role in this wonderful nirvana ? No tea and biscuits but freedom is unconditional, is it not ?
“Is this the M.P.L.A. or
Is this the U.D.A. or
Is this the I.R.A.?
I thought it was the U.K.
Or just another country
Another council tenacy”
— Anarchy in the UK. Sex Pistols.
Do you think “there’s no future in England’s dreaming” Stevie Boy? Lol
Tommy Robison aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – is trying to incite riots in Scotland using disinformation.
https://archive.is/qNR4p
Pasha posted info on this Tommy guy some comments above
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I looked in the Russian Wiki, it says some additional info. In Germany there’s an ultra-right organisation PEGIDA (Patriotische Europäer gegen die Islamisierung des Abendlandes *Patriotic Europeans vs Islamisation of the West).
It is recognised as an extremist organisation by Saxony state office for the protection of the constitution (sorry if I translated the name incorrectly).
In 2015 Tommy Robinson participated in PEGIDA UK.
Now I’m interested is there actually Pegida in UK?
This is an interesting read – on PEDIGA in the UK.
“This guide introduces Pegida UK, how it is linked to the wider right wing spectrum of movements and the issues it is seeking to highlight.”
“Speaking at a press event announcing the February 6th re-launch of Pegida UK its leadership promised a well-organised, family-friendly demonstration at which participants can engage in passive resistance to a ‘refugee influx’. Acknowledging his past involvement with the English Defence League (EDL), Pegida UK ‘coordinator’ Tommy Robinson promised that alcohol would not be permitted on the launch march, that there would be no face covering, and no EDL-style chants. A street demonstration was necessary because, according to Robinson, conventional politics was ‘not an option’. Newly announced Pegida UK leader Paul Weston said that until politicians were more frightened of those who resist Islam than Islam itself, politicians would ‘continue to capitulate before Islam.’”
“Pegida UK takes its name from a movement originally founded in Germany – Patriotische Europäer gegen die Islamisierung des Abendlandes (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West) in Dresden in October 2014. The group began through a series of weekly protests at the end of 2014. On the 12th of January 2015 Pegida staged its largest protest so far, attracting a reported 25,000 demonstrators. They were met by around 9,000 counterdemonstrators.
Although demonstration sizes seem to have tailed off, a number of Pegida offshoots have appeared in Germany and internationally. In the UK, Pegida UK was first launched with a demonstration in Newcastle-upon-Tyne on the 28th of February 2015, and London on the 4th April, 2015. The group petered out following the London demonstration.”
https://radicalisationresearch.org/research/pegida-uk/?it=guides/pegida-uk/