On 26 January, 26 unarmed civilians were shot dead by Israel and 147 wounded in a massacre observed by heavily armed UN Peacekeepers who did not intervene. I asked the UN the very hard questions which nobody else is asking them.
The civilians were simply attempting to return to their homes in accordance with both UNSCR 1701 and the current ceasefire agreement, and indeed UNIFIL has a specific mandate under 1701 to assist displaced people to return.
So what has gone wrong with UNIFIL? Is this Srebrenica syndrome? What is the purpose of the heavy weaponry deployed by the UN’s best-equipped peacekeeping force, if it can never be fired? Why is the UN failing to monitor the hundreds of Israeli breaches of the Ceasefire Agreement? Why is the UN serving on a committee under a US General?
These and other questions I put to UNIFIL spokesman Andrea Tenenti. I did so in my usual, I hope courteous, manner. The result is a fascinating conversation which I believe is an extremely important piece of documentation of institutional failure to confront Israeli and US aggression at a critical time for the entire world.
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Craig, did you ask Tenenti when the next Report of the Secretary-General on the implementation of Security Council resolution 1701 (2006) will be out? The first one available dates back to July 23d, 2024.
I appreciate your knowledge .. But go There Do It Like Craig Is then Speak
I did not ask you.
Well Too bad Eh
Starmer, all mouth and trousers !
‘Keir Starmer has announced that the UK is ready to … deploy troops to Ukraine as part of a peacekeeping mission’
‘Moscow’s ambassador to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, emphasized last week that no peacekeeping force can legally operate without a mandate from the UN Security Council. Senior Russian diplomat Rodion Miroshnik previously warned that “any contingent entering the territory of Ukraine without the consent and permission of Russia is a military target, with quite understandable consequences.” ‘ RT
Also, note Russia has a veto vote over any UN deployments.
Why won’t anyone in the MSM stand up and say to Starmer ‘you’re talking shite’ ?
Things are indeed getting more and more intricate nowadays.
In Lebanon, one can legitimately condemn UN peacekeepers who stay put while civilians are being massacred.
But in a short while, we may see other peacekeepers, coming from Britain, Sweden or France, using their weapons in certain areas of Ukraine to protect other civilians. But if that day comes, they’ll face harsh criticism from some people saying they should remain neutral!
Double standards? Unless of course they have a different mandate, from the UN or other. History never repeats itself.
As was very wisely stated above, it’s no longer “Bend it like Beckham”, it now is “Do it like Craig”.
To a large extent the aims of the special operation in Ukraine have been achieved.
No NATO membership – achieved – Trump to validate;
Retention of Crimea and Donbass regions by Russia – achieved – Trump to validate;
De nazification of Ukraine – outstanding – elections may get rid of zelensky and his nazi supporters.
No peacekeepers needed, particularly from the clown army of herr Starmer.
Oh Boy, you certainly can tell right from wrong.
I wish things were so simple. Even China is now affirming against Russia and the US that Europe shouldn’t be left aside when it comes to Ukraine and the spheres of influence in their own backyard.
In America by the way, we don’t say “All mouth and NO trousers”, but (as little Marco well knows) “All hat and NO cattle”.
Meanwhile, Trump may validate the items you mentioned or not, everyone knows of his bromance with Putin, but if he does, he’s actually shooting himself in the foot!
Do it like Craig, work around the nuances…
The correct, british, expression is “all mouth and trousers”. Although, ‘all mouth and no trousers’ may seem to make more sense, it is a corruption/variant of the correct saying. To my knowledge the term probably originated during WW2 or shortly after and refers to particular types of managers/politicians who dress well and ‘talk the talk’ but never ‘walk the walk’.
Starmer is the ultimate example of ‘all mouth and trousers’. Trousers provided free.
Not in my book, Boy. British where, when? As opposed to English?
The 2 phrases have different meanings. Neither one is a corruption of the other…
But it doesn’t really matter. I will not question your self confidence any further. Perseverance is a virtue.
Fur coat and nae knickers … springs to mind. Slightly different meaning, of course!
Don’t see many of these nowadays, do we?
Starmer is still acting on orders from the backers of the previous US government. Britain did wrong when it flew sorties over Russian soil. Unless Trump finds us a get out of jail free ticket, peace for Ukraine may not mean peace for the elements of Europe that followed Biden’s orders where some countries refused to go. Europe is scared. It has been abandoned by its former official NATO leadership and is now trying to reorientate to the new, as yet unclear, coordinates.
As I have said previously the plans for Ukraine and Greater Israel date back to a debate in Congress in which Victoria Nuland spelled out the plan in 2013. It included regime change in Kyiv, funding the Azov brigades to shell the Russian speaking regions and cut off infrastructure funding, and the intention of using up Russia’s resources in an unwinnable war which would take his attention away from his agreement with Israel and Iran to defend each of them against any incursion by the other. Biden’s intent to hammer Iran has never received any audible commitment from Bibi who knows the stakes. Putin and Trump may agree that Israel’s national sovereignty can include the occupied territories of Palestine and buffer zones around the country.
Europe has been played by the Zionist elements. Victoria Nuland stated quite categorically ‘Fuck Europe’ on that day in Congress when members expressed some concern that a war in Ukraine might spill over into Europe.
Trump cut off the funding of the Azov Brigade in 2018, calling it an internal matter for Ukraine that did not justify US funding. Biden got the plan rolling again. Biden wants conquest, Trump wants negotiated peace and business opportunities. The momentum will be hard to slow. The damage suffered by Ukraine and Palestine will be hard to heal.
Victoria Nuland has never been a member of the US Congress or even addressed Congress, Alyson. She said “fuck the EU” in a 2014 phone call to the US Ambassador to Ukraine that was recorded and subsequently leaked, as she wanted the UN rather than the EU to be involved in a possible political solution to the Euromaidan crisis that was being proposed by the then Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych. Virtually no one at the time was worried about the crisis spilling over into the EU.
There were no ‘Azov’ units in existence in 2013, brigades or otherwise. The Azov Battalion was formed in 2014, mainly by far-right lunatic ultra-supporters of Metallist Kharkiv FC, but only became a brigade in 2023 (12th Special Operations Brigade ‘Azov’) – along with 3rd Separate Assault Brigade ‘Azov’, formed from a combination of units set up by former Azov Battalion members shortly after the war/SMO had broken out. The Azov Battalion was never funded by the US. Most of its funds came from Israeli billionaire Ihor Kolomoysky, who was also bankrolling several other Ukrainian militia during the Donbas War: Aidar Battalion, Dnipro-1, Dnipro-2 etc.
If it comforts you to think so, fear not. I watched her and heard her take questions. But you are right about Kolnoyski funding the television series starring Zelensky, and the 26 bio weapons labs which Hunter Biden’s laptop hard drive revealed were paying him so well. That dual national IsraeliUkrainian billionaire has invested well and is the real decision maker
Agnostic, you have badly relapsed!
Don’t you remember that Mark Twain famously wrote “Don’t try and teach a pig to sing. It’s a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig.”
Otherwise, wishful thinking is not lacking these days, as many like to think that Biden and Trump have had opposite foreign policies. As far as we can tell, they’ve both been following what they assumed was to the benefit of America, regardless of the rights of other nations. This already applies to the Middle East, and will soon apply to Eastern Europe.
Thanks for your reply Alyson. Nuland has never taken part in any debates in the US Congress because she has never been a US Senator or a member of their House of Representatives (or a delegate to it). She’s also never addressed Congress, although she has given testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on several occasions, as have many US diplomats, which is probably what you’re thinking of*.
I never mentioned Kolomoysky’s companies funding Zelensky’s ‘Servant of the People’ TV series (which is true) or ’26 Ukrainian bio weapons labs’ (which is not). Kolomoysky is no longer a Ukrainian citizen after having his citizenship revoked by the Zelensky administration in 2022.
* Can you provide footage of her saying “Fuck Europe” to the gathered senators? I’ll wait.
Thanks for your reply Madison. The only Mark Twain quotation about pigs that I know of is the one that recommends never wrestling with a pig because you’ll both get dirty but, unlike you, the pig will enjoy it.
Okay. You’re the boss. Careful though. You might get banned again!
Besides, what’s the point in contradicting when you’re perfectly certain to be right ?
The Romans used to say: aquila non capit muscas
Madison.
Re. ‘what they assumed was to the benefit of America’. I’d suggest alternatively that the USA appears to have been ‘run’ recently by crime families: Clintons, Bidens and now Trumps. And, the only things that they appear to care about is how they can enrich themselves from the public purse. The Clintons used their position and contacts, The Bidens used Ukraine and Trump uses Israel. None of their shenanigans has been to the benefit of America, it’s all been of personal benefit to them. Hopefully the next President is an independent without the corrupt family clans.
Boy, I’m very sorry. There was some IRONY in my phrasing, and I neglected to specify it. My bad! Remember the Borat sketch?
You seem to omit the Obamas and the Bushes from the ‘crime families’. They would be flattered, especially the latter…
I wish I had saved a link to her presentation, which Bernie shared on his FB page. It wasn’t a full House of Representatives, more like a large panel who were questioning her concepts and the ideology underpinning the plan. If I had not seen it I would not have looked for more evidence of actions and outcomes, which reinforced the congruity of the plans and consequent actions, and which have been borne out by events which have supported this design.
Sorry if this doesn’t satisfy the standards of evidence you require
Geez oh the British media has gone overboard today on reporting anti-Russian sentiment.
Its a pathetic and desperate attempt to try and win hearts and minds on the Wests war against Russia.
Biden and Blinken were warned by many diplomats about the dangers of NATO expansion to the borders of Russia. They ignored Russia and provoked them by attacking the Dombas and generally discriminating against the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. NATO forces and bases were being built up in Ukraine with the intention of making Ukraine a de facto member of NATO. The US arrogantly dismissed Russian complaints with the attitude of ‘well what are you going to do about it’ ? Now we know, and the US after starting the war, are now [after being soundly defeated] washing their hands of it and are hoping to leave it to the vassals to sort out. Starmer has always been the warmonger and was eager to send UK missiles into Russia when Biden was in charge, he still is. What a clown.
Diplomat-historian George F. Kennan perhaps said it most clearly when he wrote earlier this year in a newspaper commentary: “Expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the post cold-war era. Such a decision may be expected . . . to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.”
Aye, there’s the rub. The long-term interests of the United States in Europe can best be served by actions that promote enduring peace in Europe through security arrangements that include Russia as a cooperative participant. The expansion of NATO, however, excludes Russia at the same time it moves NATO borders 300 miles eastward. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-jul-07-me-10464-story.html
When history looks back, it will be said that NATO died in Ukraine.
When the history is written it’ll look nothing like Harry Law’s propaganda fantasy.
Somehow, I doubt if historians will be citing Pears Morgaine as a source either.
NATO died on 26 December 1991. Since then we have just been witnessing the convulsions of its rotten corpse caused by gases escaping from its orifices.
Please watch your language. There are children reading here!
Besides, if NATO died in 1991, how come so many Russia lovers wish it to be pushed back away from the Empire borders?
Please be sure though that the Donald will do everything he can to fully appease your kind. Him and Vlad, it’s a true love story!
The name of the region is Donbas, Harrry.
Actually it is abbreviated from ‘Donetsk’ and (coal) ‘Basin’. The word Donetsk comes from Donets (*little Don), the river running there. And Little Don is the tributary of the big river Don, the fifth biggest river of Europe, starting in Central Russia and ending in the sea of Azov. The ancient Greeks called the river Tanais, and the sea they called Maiotis limne.
“George F. Kennan perhaps said it most clearly when he wrote earlier this year”
Time flies. Earlier this year was back in 1997. Makes just a LITTLE difference…
Madison, It makes no difference, dozens of political scientists have been saying this for years, indeed the US blockaded Cuba in 1962 to stop the USSR from building bases there. This was called the Monroe doctrine i.e, ‘no other foreign power is allowed to build bases anywhere in the western hemisphere, or else! Of course the US must be allowed to build NATO bases on Russia’s doorstep, 3 minutes flying time to Moscow, what hypocrisy. By the way G Kennan died [aged 101] in 2005.
What actually happened Harry, was that the US stuck nuclear weapons in Turkey. When they wouldn’t remove them, the USSR sent a ship load to Cuba. Instead of starting WW3, the USSR and the US agreed to remove their nuclear weapons from Cuba and Turkey. There was a bit more conniving than that, but that was the basic outline. I remember it well and the fact that the Turkey side was not mentioned in the msm, of course. My brother and I supported Cuba! And I still do.
Long before Kennan wrote this piece for WaPo, sir Winston Churchill stated that one of the conditions for peace in Europe was that Russia’s concerns for the safety of her Western borders must be respected. He said this in 1946, even before NATO was created.
So history taught us that Churchill was correct. The disrespect for Russia’s concerns for the safety of her Western borders by NATO’s endless expansion lead to the 1st major war in Europe since WW2.
I just checked out the CAAs website – which I haven’t done for a while – and there was a ‘news’ article about the January 18th London march (posted on Jan 20) in which it says the following:
‘The PSC wanted to march from near Broadcasting House to Whitehall, as per their usual route. For once, the Met Police decided to impose restrictions on their march under section 12 of the Public Order Act, insisting that the march could not assemble near Broadcasting House due to its proximity to London’s Central Synagogue, which has borne the brunt of these intimidatory marches for over a year.’
Like the evil little lying black propaganda outfit they are, it’s just one falsehood on top of another falsehood on top of another. Prior to the march on the 18th of January there have been just two marches that assembled and began in that location in the previous fifteen months, and so the Central Synagogue has NOT ‘borne the brunt’ of anything. And needless to say – putting THAT particular falsehood to one side – the marches are NOT intimidatory and, as everyone who follow independent media knows, every single London march has had a large Jewish bloc taking part… And you can be 1,000% certain that the CAA is well aware of the fact (as with the MSM and the Jewish newspapers and the BoD and JLM and LAAS and the CST etc). And the Central Synagogue is around 500m away from Broadcasting House (and down a side-turning) and the march was going no-where near it.
And given what happened, I think we can safely assume the whole episode was a set up. From start to finish.
Anyway, I just did a search on the CAAs website re >central synagogue pro-palestine marchers protesters< and there were zero results, and ditto when I then did a general search. In other words, it appears that nothing has ever happened in respect of the Central Synagogue in re the marches/marchers, and not only is the CAA spouting complete and utter B/S, as such, but the pretext for banning the march from assembling at Broadcasting House was total B/S lies as well on the part of the Met Police of course.
https://antisemitism.org/london-in-chaos-as-the-met-finally-takes-on-the-marches/
Oh, and I came across THIS little beaut in The Jewish Weekly ('The Family Newspaper') from Feb 5th when I did a search:
I do not know whether the ban on marchers going near Central Synagogue or the arrests of those who defied that ban are indicators of a sea change in attitude. I do know though that the ban and arrests are not only well overdue but most welcome. The violence attributable to those claiming to be pro-Palestinian is wholly unacceptable. Whether this is against property or police officers the message is the same. ***Many of the marchers have no real interest in promoting Palestine. Their aim is the destruction of the West through terrorist organisations such as Hezbollah and Hamas; and they are not shy about making that clear.*** (my emphasis of course).
https://thejewishweekly.com/change-on-the-ground-op-ed/
Check it out… It's so TOTT it would be hilarious but for the fact that it smears hundreds of thousands of good decent caring people on the one hand, and is obviously concocted and contrived and designed to cause worry and concern and consternation in their Jewish readership on the other. And how totally evil is that!
I posted this on here a couple of months or so ago (from December, 2023), and it just happened to come up in the results in the search I did (as mentioned in my post above), so I’m posting it again, as it blows all the zionist/Jewish Newspapers/MSM etc, etc, etc lies and falsehoods and smears and demonisation out of the water:
Policing of Jews on Palestine protests reveals ignorance and racist assumptions
Pro-Palestine Jews don’t need ‘keeping safe’ on our own demos, writes JULIA BARD, following yet another heavy-handed attempt to link religion and ethnicity to political positions by the police
As has happened on every demonstration, the Jewish bloc was greeted with warmth and enthusiasm, and when we reached our stopping point, the marchers cheered and clapped as they passed, defying the claim that these are hate marches fuelled by anti-semitism, that are making our cities unsafe for Jews.
On the contrary, participants come and talk to us, shake hands, and hug us. They take photos of our banners and placards, which represent many Jewish groups, including the Jewish Socialists’ Group, Jewish Voice for Labour, Na’amod, Israel Coalition Against House Demolitions, Black Jewish Alliance, Jews for Justice for Palestinians and others, as well as individuals who coalesce around the bloc.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/policing-jews-palestine-protests-reveals-ignorance-and-racist-assumptions
Interestingly, just as the Palestinian cause has many Jewish supporters. It seems that the Zionist cause has many Arab supporters.
“Mr [Amjad] Taha said there was a rise in sectarian voting and independent candidates seeking election on a pro-Gaza ticket could help lead to Britain becoming a “global powerbase” for radicals.”
“I absolutely stand against that as I think antisemitism is not an opinion but a crime, and a crime against humanity. And once you allow that, on October 7th for example when it happened, the genocide against the Israelis what I saw and what we witnessed is the fact that some Islamists from all the way over here, we saw their voices it was for Hamas.
https://dailysceptic.org/2025/02/17/uk-has-more-islamic-extremists-than-middle-east-warns-top-muslim-adviser/
For some, a few Shekels are worth more than personal morals.
Taha just has to be a paid Israeli propagandist, a PR tool designed to create the illusion that Israel has Arab support?
https://projectnemesis.net/amjad-taha/
So, Vasily Nebenzya disclosed Russia’s conditions for peace talks:
1. Donetsk. Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporozh’ye regions go to Russia.
2. Only democratically elected Ukrainian government talks and signs the deal.
3. Ukraine becomes neutral, non-alligned and demilitarized.
4. EU and UK play no part in the talks.
So you found out!!!
This must sound okay to the Donald. But even so, good luck!
Thank you Yuri K, 1/ Donetsk. Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporozh’ye go to Russia. they have already voted to secede from Ukraine as they have the right to self determination under the UN Charter.
2/ Zelenski’s Presidential term has expired, so is not legally President.
3/ Ukraine becomes neutral etc. This was the issue that could have avoided the war, even the Ukraine becoming an associate member of the EU common market was not an issue with Russia, only the military alliance of NATO on its doorstep was an issue.
4/ EU and UK play no part in talks. Both have played a spoiling role and have shown no interest in furthering the peace process, Boris Johnson when PM even went to tell Zelenski on Biden’s behalf not to negotiate with Russia or they will receive no backing from the west. This has been well documented even by Ukrainian negotiators.
Western leaders are squealing like stuck pigs, they have been side lined by Trump because he rightly considers them as vassals, to be used and abused then discarded. As Kissinger said “It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”
Harry Law.
“Neutral etc.”== “neutral, non-alligned and demilitarized” .
A defenceless Ukraine without allies. Led by a Russian stooge to replace Zelensky.
The Nazis would have offered similar terms to England. They would even have been permitted to keep the Empire and the Navy. Though Churchill would have been replaced by Halifax or Moseley and no alliance with the USA would have been tolerated.
I expect Ukraine will fight on.
After all, if the Russian Army is really the second best in Ukraine, how come they aren’t in Kyiv by now?
Slava Ukraini.
Here is someone who can say what I have been trying to share with you.
Here is a man who hopes for peace.
Here is the latest summary. Roger Waters puts it all together completely clearly. Thank you.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NYKetrodpoY&t=12s&pp=2AEMkAIB
And today Putin and Trump meet in Saudi Arabia. I don’t know what the context of this meeting is exactly. I recall that keeping Putin busy with Ukraine was about Putin’s long-standing agreements with Israel and Iran to defend each of them against the other, whichever should breach their sovereign territory first. We live in interesting times.
Things must be getting desperate when you have to rely on some burnt out rock star.
The Istanbul agreement failed because Russia were demanding to keep the ground they’d already occupied which was unacceptable to Ukraine. News of Bucha and other Russian massacres had also come through.
Of course it pleases the Tankies to draw a veil over this and blame BoJo instead; as if Ukraine didn’t want to fight for its own survival.
You tell lies. Moreover, you’re in Mr Murray’s blog. Mr Murray himself said that Istanbul negotiations were ‘torpedoed’, Mr Murray said he was there at that time.
So, when you say ‘the Tankies to draw a veil over this and blame BoJo instead’, you lie, and also you call Mr Murray a liar.
By the way, I remember exactly it was ‘torpedoed’ the word used, and I remember it was DiggerUK in that discussion, who asked Mr Murray why isn’t he reporting this news in more detail.
It must be still somewhere here on this website.
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[ Mod: See Craig’s comment at 9:09am on 26 Aug 2023:
“A draft treaty was not agreed and initialled in Turkey. Proximity talks were however underway to end the war. They were torpedoed by the USA. I was there.” ]
” Mr Murray said he was there at that time. ”
I don’t think he was. Any alleged ‘torpedoing’ wouldn’t have taken place at Istanbul but during the private meeting BoJo had with Zelensky in Kyiv. The draft treaty was dead in the water well before that happened.
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/reconstructing-istanbul-accords-208818
Pleas be careful who you choose to call a liar.
I’m well aware of who I call a liar. If you raise your eyes higher at the screen, you’ll see Mods kindly found and linked the discussion I was referring to.
If you want to argue who exactly torpedoed the negotiations, then I will immediately answer you that the USA and Boris are two cheeks of the same ass. I’d even rather compare with the ass, and a tongue licking it.
There is a certain advantage in operating in a non-native language. Some words are well remembered and can then serve as keywords in search, like ‘torpedoed’.
I also remember the word ‘paraphined’ or ‘parafined’. With this term, our diplomacy indicated the degree of consistency of the Istanbul agreements draft treaty. I asked for the explanation of this diplomatic word.
I also remember that the very existence of this draft treaty was doubted.
So I checked with the Kremlin reports and found out that this draft treaty Putin showed to the delegation of African countries. Among which I remember Mr Siril Ramafosa was present. And Mods were kind to edit the list of the presidents of those African countries, as I suspect I did some mistakes in the names, while operating in non-native language. [ Mod: See the forum thread on Ukraine’s plans in 2022 – 19 Jun 2023 @ 2:26pm ]
As you see, Pears, I insist that you tell lies.
” A draft treaty was not agreed and initialled in Turkey ”
My point all along so thank you.
If you have to resort to personal insults it’s a clear indication that you’ve lost the argument and have nothing further of substance to add.
Okay, let’s clarify this issue.
Russians and Ukrainians met in Istanbul more than once, there were several meetings in March 2022, at the very beginning of the war.
On March 10, Foreign Ministers Kuleba and Lavrov met, it was a diplomatic forum in Antalya.
On March 29, negotiations between the delegations of Ukraine and Russia started in Istanbul.
So I assume Mr. Murray could have been in Istanbul, but it was not the event where the document was presented.
The document was prepared by the Ukrainian delegation and handed over to the Russian delegation. In the document, Ukraine was ready for a non-aligned status of a non-nuclear country, demanded security guarantees, and the issue of Crimea they proposed to be resolved through diplomacy and a decent period of about 15 years was allocated for this.
The delegations worked on the project in Istanbul and the result of these negotiations was put on paper, “parafined” and the head of the Ukrainian delegation put his signature under it.
Let me remind you that these events took place during the first and second months of the war, and if the agreements had not been “torpedoed”, a compromise could have been reached quickly and the loss of a huge number of human lives could have been avoided.
Thank you Pears for watching this washed up burnt out musician addressing the UN Security Council, or whatever it is. Did you watch the faces of the Russian and Ukrainian delegates? Do you suppose the information was new to them?
Waters’s information may be from different sources to mine, which was Bernie and watching Victoria Nuland condemning Europe on camera, but the information he shares is the same.
What treasures can Europe yield to Trump? What resources can he purloin from the UK?
We have been played and Starmer is a fool. He is still playing us for fools by the WEF population reduction agenda. What loyalty do the Zionists have to Europe? Or to the UK which so kindly invited the displaced thousands of European and Russian Jews to live in Palestine after WWII, which kindly requested Palestinian landowners to donate land and build villages for the homeless diaspora, which welcomed so many rescued children from the kindertransport?
Fuck Europe, she said. It is part of the plan. And Starmer was stupid enough to let Biden put our country in jeopardy. And he still is.
The Jewish quarter of Marrakech is long established. The cemeteries are extensive and well cared for. The Jews who fled Russia and Poland can find no trace of the villages their parents and grandparents fled. No cemeteries, no records, barely a photograph and the maps are empty of the place names. So where is the loyalty?
We have sheltered safe within NATO while NATO stayed within its boundaries and remit. Israel is a rogue nation. It has pulled us all out of shape. We hold together in hope of a reprieve from this jolt to our stability. Ukraine has fallen to the vultures who at this moment are picking over the carcass, and Starmer thinks the UK is entitled to a cut in the spoils?
Roger Waters takes our attention back to Minsk 2. He does it well.
The real Piss Moron is today blasting shrill nonsense about poooootin bad etc.
The can of worms is daily spilling much, more and more…
Today RFKJr confirms it was Biden who nixed the Istanbul agreement as VVP told Tucker last year. Sleepy Joe tasked it to BoZo the clown the rest as they say is histrionics … the crying EUnuchs at their big bashing the russkies conference left with US leaving them holding the shit hitting their fan. Starmzy and Macaroon can’t get any boots on Grounds commitment from the wary Germans – have they finally learnt their lesson? The Poles too wavering but being thick as mince they never quite stop being driven to the Old Glory Years…
It is tears there, more everyday … fabulous I wish them and all the Moron Mockingbirds and their hasbarats many more.
There are plenty of scores to settle.
Cry More. Cry Harder.
If Trump secures a peace deal for Ukraine that brings an end to the fighting, will the chickenhawks push to restart the war?
My guess is they will just lose interest – as with Afghanistan – and move on to the next war they want to promote, most likely Taiwan. The idea any of these characters actually care about Ukraine is very silly.
This is just out on The Grayzone and I think Craig might be interested.
https://thegrayzone.substack.com/p/secret-terror-blueprints-for-us-nsc
A senior lecturer at St. Andrews university called Marc De Vore has been involved in, and possibly leading, a group who have worked with the US National Security Council with the aim of sabotaging Russia’s infrastructure using IEDs directly from the “ISIS playbook” and any other means short of direct involvement of transatlantic forces.
“Emails show DeVore passed the group’s handiwork directly to Col. Tim Wright, who was the Director for Russia in the Biden administration’s National Security Council (NSC) at the time the emails were sent, according to his LinkedIn profile. Since July 2022, Wright has been the Assistant Head for Research and Experimentation in the Futures Directorate of the British Army.”
The Grayzone is curious if the University Hierarchy knows about these plans!
For me this is a straightforward contradiction.
The US does not want to fight multiple wars on multiple fronts.
It is overstretched.
They wish to settle a war now ( Russia/Ukraine ) and take on China
after they have come to a deal ( temporarily – they will be back for Russia
later once the Middle Eastern problem is ‘solved ‘) and pretend that they have
suddenly become a peaceful nation ( temporarily again).
‘ Everyone has a plan – until they get punched in the face.’
No – not Mark Twain – Mike Tyson.
I am hearing and viewing the US and Europe’s ‘Plans ‘ across the Networks
( as they say) and I’ll tell you what – it looks good.
But only on Telly and X.
In reality it is a one sided plan from Trump and his acolytes, which assumes that
no other countries have any alternative plans at all – they are dumb.
But , the real world is nothing like that, as on the World Chess Board the other side-
the Enemy,make their plans too to counter your plans.
Fine for the credulous media who present this stuff as Gospel from The Democratic West.
The Big League Players are in Town for a Private game of Poker and Sir Kier and the leading Europeans will have their noses pressed against the window when negotiations between Trump and Putin actually begins.
What is happening now amongst the EU and UK technocrats and Zelensky is irrelevant.
The US is still powerful enough not only to strike a deal – but to carry it through.
‘ America First ‘ is meant by Trump – yes – he really means it.
Whether he understands what it means or even what it means for the US populous
will come out over time.
It’s almost an admission of defeat for American led NATO and the Europeans have been told by the US that further weapons supplies and carrying on the War against Russia is now their responsibility.
Ouch! – after all the slavish following of US Foreign Policy across the world the country they were supporting has legged it.
If they had ever checked Americas fealty history they should have seen this coming a long time ago.
Being technocrats and not proper realistic politicians they operated and still operate on targets and goals.
Hit the target – no matter what the cost on their people on behalf of the US ( disguised as ‘ Defending Democracy ‘ ).
In reality it turned out that they were just defending the US and not Democracy.
So – here they are plans clutched in their European hands and unfortunately they will not supersede Trump’s plans.
The price paid?
The price Geographical Europe will pay as usual will be deducted from the Social/Welfare State which means that across Europe the poor – the workers and the Middle Classes will now yet again be tapped up by the Democratic State to hit another ‘ Target ‘
A possible EU Army?
Possible Conscription for the unemployed?
Possible getting bombed and attacked by the pissed of Russians.
Possible Orezshnik in Poland if it all goes wrong, on Warsaw first?
Maybe even the UK?
Only goes to show that there are plans and then there’s reality.
Ask Mike Tyson.
IMO. Russia has very clearly defined what has to happen for there to be a cessation of hostilities and nothing less will be accepted, no compromises.
The only negotiations are going to be, how can the USA exit and appear to save face, and who is going to pay for this mess.
My guess is Trump will blame Biden and claim he is now ‘doing the right thing’, and Ukraine and the EU will have to pay [the USA].
” Russia has very clearly defined what has to happen for there to be a cessation of hostilities and nothing less will be accepted, no compromises. ”
Then there will be no ceasefire. Trump clearly has his eye on Ukraine’s mineral reserves but Putin wants them too. We’re also told that much of Ukraine’s best farm land is owned by American interests who will be looking to Trump to protect their investments.
Well, well, well, fancy that! So up the page a tad I posted a link to an article by Julia Bard earlier from December 2023, republished in the Morning Star, in which she said the following:
‘As has happened on every demonstration, the Jewish bloc was greeted with warmth and enthusiasm, and when we reached our stopping point, the marchers cheered and clapped as they passed, defying the claim that these are hate marches fuelled by anti-semitism, that are making our cities unsafe for Jews.’
But it isn’t all so innocent and straight-forward as it seems apparently. The following clip is from a +972 Magazine article reposted by The Nation in March last year, headlined Has London Really Become a “No-Go Zone” for Jews?:
Like the CAA, however, the CST is hardly a disinterested arbiter. For one thing, it appears to have an animus toward non- or anti-Zionist Jews—which is all the more concerning in light of recent polling showing that over a third of British Jews do not identify as Zionists.
Two recent examples illuminate these dynamics well. In January, the CST reportedly blocked a group of left-wing Jews from joining a march against antisemitism that it had co-organized in Manchester (the CST denies this, despite video evidence). And earlier this month, its chief executive, Mark Gardner, claimed in a BBC radio interview that the only Jews attending the cease-fire marches are either ultra-Orthodox (a reference to the Neturei Karta sect, which rejects the State of Israel on religious grounds) or “revolutionary socialists” who are “using their Jewishness so that people get the impression that this movement is not fundamentally antisemitic.”
Ah, so just as I suspected, it’s all a conspiracy and subterfuge and artifice, and the Jewish bloc et al – along with thousands of other Jewish people who attend the big London marches – only go on the marches so as to cover for the hundreds of thousands of antisemites that regularly attend the marches. It was so obvious of course, and now the chief executive of the Community Security Trust has confirmed it. Thankyou sir for your honesty and frankness and your courageousness.
Just goes to show that you can’t trust these people opposed to genocide and ethnic cleansing and apartheid. No siree, not one bit!
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/uk-antisemitism-panic/
It also said the following in the +972 Magazine article:
‘Notwithstanding all these caveats, it cannot be ignored that nearly half of British Jews surveyed by the CAA said they have considered leaving the UK due to antisemitism since October 7. The UK’s Jewish community is, much like European Jewry as a whole, an anxiety-ridden one, for whom a readiness to take off at the drop of a hat is baked into our DNA (a similar number of Jews, it should be recalled, were reportedly considering leaving the country if then–Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn had been elected in 2019).’
The funny thing (not haha funny) is that I just happened to come across the following article earlier from January 2015 whilst researching something. Here’s the headline and a passage from it:
The new anti-Semitism: Majority of British Jews feel they have no future in UK, says new study
The CAA research also shows that a quarter of British Jews have considered leaving the country. An overall majority – 54 per cent – of British Jewish people questioned for the survey said they fear Jews have no future in the United Kingdom.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-new-antisemitism-majority-of-british-jews-feel-they-have-no-future-in-uk-says-new-study-9976310.html
Well the CAA and the CST – along with the BoD and JLM and LAAS et al – have proved over and over and over again that they are totally untrustworthy, and have absolutely no qualms about scare-mongering and duping and deceiving British Jews, apart from which, influential zionists have an agenda of course. And talking of duping and deceiving Jews, I just this minute came across this Times of Israel article from five weeks ago when I did a search re >how many jewish people have left the uk in the past ten years< headlined ‘Global emergency’: Nearly half the world’s adults hold antisemitic views — ADL survey, in which it says the following:
If respondents believed that more than half of the statements were true, they were categorized as having “significant antisemitic beliefs,” ADL chief Jonathan Greenblatt said in a briefing, calling the findings a “global emergency.”
“Why do attitudes matter so much? Because attitudes lead to action. When antisemitic views are normalized, when anti-Jewish bigotry takes root, it creates an environment where Jews become more vulnerable,” he said, tying the antisemitic views to incidents such as the attacks on Israelis in Amsterdam in November.
Says it ALL, doesn't it!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/global-emergency-nearly-half-the-worlds-adults-hold-antisemitic-views-adl-survey/
Prof. Piero Camporesi wrote that “the future is the privilege of the rich.”
One almost wish for Trump to say, ‘I plan to annex the whole of the arab Middle East’, lets see what these nasty collaborators would say then, would they then wake up?
” Emirati ambassador to Washington says ‘no alternative’ to Trump’s Gaza plan”
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/emirati-ambassador-to-washington-says-no-alternative-to-trumps-gaza-plan/3481411
Video of the spectacle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZlQ-XSxYYc
One wonder if these arab puppets even speak arabic at all, so well groomed, so well versed in the western ideological view of things that they seems to be nothing but empty shells or at best, robots.
It is like the arab world have taken on the “orientalist” view against themselves. Edward Said must roll in his grave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism_(book)
From its inception to the present, NATO has been intent on pursuing a policy of aggression
NATO Parliamentary Assembly. The body voted to cease cooperation with Russia in April 2014
NATO Parliamentary Assembly. The body voted to cease cooperation with Russia in April 2014
‘Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.’ Those were the words of NATO’s first Secretary General, Lord Ismay, when explaining the aims behind the new military alliance (as it was then). Simple rhetoric it may well be, but Ismay’s words seem to be of haunting significance in the world we inhabit more than half a century later. https://newcoldwar.org/history-nato-keep-russians-americans-germans/
NATO as a military alliance may have been a good idea against the communist Soviet Union after 1945, but why should we spend trillions of Dollars on a military alliance against a neighboring European country who since the break up of the Soviet Union have tried to integrate into Europe and the greater world economy. Yeltsin then Putin are both capitalist leaders who want Russia to succeed in the wider capitalist system, they have huge potential given its vast natural mineral resources and huge land mass. The United States see the NATO alliance as the cutting edge of US hegemony, think about it, it leads NATO, it insists on all other NATO states spend two and a half per cent [Trump now insisting on 5% GDP] on military spending. Then consider what an enormous amount of money that is, Germany for instance has a GDP of approx $4 Trillion dollars, the UK and France approx $3 trillion dollars each. Most of that money is spent in the US military Industrial complex
with the likes of Boeing, Raytheon etc, this is all used by the MIC to ensure inter compatibility, i.e. you must spend your money in the US. Just as an example when Russia launched its Special military operation in 2022 Germany bought two fleets of US made F35 fighters.
The US use NATO to further its own hegemony projections, and uses its vassals to fund NATO’s massive expenses, whats not to like for the US in this arrangement?
The EU and UK cannot afford to fund a war on behalf of Ukraine or supply the necessary arms and finances to do it, nor should they think that any such war can be won, remember Russia considers this existential for its survival, needless to say they will use any means available to survive. The US threat to break up Russia, to dissolve Russia made by US leaders was not an idle threat.
Finally there is no evidence that Putin wants to take over the whole of Ukraine, he did say once he regretted the break up of the Soviet Union, however he followed up that remark with ” no one would be mad enough to try and recreate it” this last remark is always left out of western MSM reporting.
” there is no evidence that Putin wants to take over the whole of Ukraine, ”
Apart from the battle plans captured in the early months of the conflict.
He can’t accomplish his stated goals without occupying the whole country,
The Soviets got a salutary lesson about trying to conquer and control a hostile population in the 1980s in Afghanistan. I expect they remember it well and I never thought they intended to take the whole of Ukraine. That huge but ill-equipped column that advanced towards Kiev at the start of the “Special Military Operation”, sat there doing nothing for several weeks, then disappeared overnight, looked like a feint to draw Ukrainian forces away from Russia’s real objectives and it seems to have worked. But of course propagandists will claim that Russia has been defeated in trying to gain things that it never seriously intended to gain.
I have every sympathy for UNIFIL in their thankless task of keeping peace in a country that has been at war with Israel or with itself for half a century. Lisa Marlowe comments in her “Love in a Time of War. My Years with Robert Fisk” (2021), “The UN force was intended to observe an Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon, but it takes Israel twenty-two years to leave, during which time UNIFIL acts as a sandbag between the Israelis and the guerrillas who are trying to drive them out. (pp. 75-76). She was referring to events in 1988.
When set against this background the idea of an EU / UK “peaceforce” in Ukraine seems even more fateful and stupid than it appeared when first mooted. Apart from the resource issues that have been raised no way could an EU / UK maintain even the semblance of neutrality that UNIFIL can at least claim or even what OSCE claimed in the run up to 2022. From accounts the Paris emergency summit ended in tatters so fortunately that might be the end of the loony idea. Otherwise if any peacekeeping has to be done it should be at least UN organised and led. Of course if there is a genuine peace there should be no need for a peacekeeping force.
Telling how Europe calls its first Emergency Meeting since the war began the very moment Trump starts peace negotiations. They are so obvious.
Xavi.
What is the obvious meaning of the Paris meeting?
A desperate convention of impotent warmongers and pitiless genocidaires. The worst of humanity.
Xavi
FFS Putin and his gang of kleptocrats are the epitome of impotent warmongers and pitiless genocidaires.
Putin can’t even defeat a country with 1/4 the population of the Russkiy autocracy.
Impotence indeed..
you speak as if Zelensky is fighting alone with a wooden spear against Russia. As if Europe and the United States are not pouring billions of dollars into Ukraine, and the entire NATO bloc is not providing intelligence and other capabilities from many of its military facilities in all parts of the planet and higher in space.
Jk redux
Yes it is sluggish but there is a reason for that because it is not only Ukraine it is Ukraine +52 other nations giving Ukraine arms, provide intelligence etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
So basically it is Russia vs 53 nations
Compare that to the even more sluggish war by the UK and the US that could not even defeat Afghanistan/Taliban after 20+ years. And the Taliban of course did not have anywhere near the quality nor the quanity of arms that Ukraine have nor did the Taliban enjoy military support from 52+ nations.
For the US closing down the theatre in Ukraine will allow them to devote more resources to Israel and make on-going preparations for China.
The “detente” between the US and Russia (who have their own strategic relations with China and Iran) and how they manage to transition toward one [detente] will be fascinating. I suspect that China is doing a considerable amount behind the scenes. A risk is that the Palestinians will be sacrificed to achieve detente and the acceptance of a multi polar world with Israel’s place in the architecture being assured. I hope Iran does not jettison the Palestinians after all the enormous sacrifices both sides have made. Given that President Trump is unlikely to commit US forces directly in Gaza or the West Bank it will be a task solely for the Israeli military to achieve its objective of Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing if Egypt and Jordan do not acquiesce. Given the resistance thus far is this an achievable objective for the Israeli military ? Will Israel then need to come terms with the Palestinians and is Israeli society capable of accepting/ adapting to living with Arabs as citizens and neighbours ? For all President Trump’s rhetoric it is the Israelis themselves who will need to find the will to pursue a common objective and are they cohesive enough to do this given the costs involved of either experiencing the resistance to the genocide or their own society’s resistance to accommodating the Palestinians ( as Arabs).
Craig’s recent X post on the rallying for greater military expenditure in the UK was spot on. The contradictions in the European/UK position following US Defence Secretary Hesgeth and Vice President Vance’s recent contributions where they [Europe/UK] have complained that President Trump has capitulated the Ukraine position prior to any formal negotiations is stark. By initially complaining that President Trump has given away everything Russia wants before the negotiation, they now following the emergency summit in Paris, declare that Russia will not be able to abide by any peace agreement that they sign and therefore the US will need to act as guarantor. I am sure that Washington can see the risks inherent in acting as guarantor,; I.E in having to judge what may or may not be a slam dunk with respect to breaches of any future peace treaty ( and especially where such breaches came from). Can the Europeans/UK elites adapt to accepting/ accommodating themselves to live as neighbours with Russia on a peaceful basis ?
The fact that all the current NATO members are covered by Article Five means if Russia invaded any NATO member this would trigger a nuclear war. A position Russia are unlikely to take and therefore enhanced military spending is not required to address this theoretical risk.
European guarantors sabotaged Minsk agreement, and UK prime minister sabotaged Istanbul peace negotiations. I doubt there is any trust any longer.
As to the US, besides Ukrainian conflict we have lots of things to discuss. Like suspended cooperation on arms control, nuclear weapons and similar.
I mean, we had mutual obligations regarding each other’s security, before the war. And i dare say, maintenance of these obligations is in the interests of Europe and the whole world. I think nobody would want these nukes uncontrolled.
Agreed. “We not only listened, but also heard each other.” This is Lavrov saying that for the first time in many years that Russia was at last having a grown up conversation with USA instead of being on the receiving end of parent – child transaction a posturing. However, he stresses the resultant discussion “does not mean a convergence of positions” only a “mutual desire to find concrete solutions.” That is through proper diplomacy, an art which the EU, UK and the USA with Biden and Blinken has completely lost to sermonising – as shown by the UK UN’s ambassador’s blathering only yesterday. Let’s hope the process continues and the inevitable attempts to sabotage it are thwarted as this could result in the worst of worst case scenarios.
Interesting points Tatiana.
Do you think that the Russian Government now think that the the US with President Trump is now agreement capable or just negotiation capable ? The US conceding to negotiations is a PR victory for Russia as perceived in the UK media.
Sorry Tatyana my spell check appears to have auto corrected the spelling of your name. Apologies.
JohnnyOh45, no apologies needed, it’s ok.
From our news, the negotiations teams agreed to restore some previous communication channels. They also agreed to restore the diplomatic missions and agreed to continue contacts.
That all has meaning for US -Russia relations, nothing about Ukrainian war.
They only make a few steps to make dialogue possible.
Wil the dialogue take place, will Ukraine be discussed, what might be the result? No sign yet.
Again, they agreed to make steps, and the steps are not made yet. If fulfilled, than Trumps administration is negotiations capable. As to agreement capable, is the question of remote future.
My personal feeling is that these guys are good-intended. I think they honestly try to find the way out. Their motive isn’t humanitarian, they just see the image of US became scary and ugly for too many on this planet, so they try to fix it.
I mean, many think that Trump loves Putin and Putin is his friend. Looks like people believe that Trump will throw Ukraine away. Today’s meeting in El Riyadh has excited many.
I don’t think so. If he wanted to stop the war, he could just stop sending money and weapons to Ukraine.
But it was him, Trump, who brought the most sanctions against Russia in his first presidential season. And he was the president when they started sending money and weapons to Ukraine.
It’s just that Biden’s administration simply boycotted Russia’s concerns, while this administration is ready to talk. Something good may come out when people talk to each other and hear each other.
Perhaps, some way to end the war may become visible.
Tatyana,
When you say:-
“It’s just that Biden’s administration simply boycotted Russia’s concerns, while this administration is ready to talk.”
So, in essence a double-game is being played when one considers the following:-
1. How can a country ( US) arm Russia’s enemy, while simultaneously:-
2. Speak of peace while the weapons have been given and while Trump is exploring having access to Ukrainian precious metals in repayment?
Something seems ( maybe I am wrong) deeply duplicitous with the overall picture unfolding before our eyes.
Over to you.
Courtenay
Courtenay Francis Raymond Barnett
I think it’s too early to speak about peace. This administration has just started, i think they had lots of inner things to do and only recently they turned to their relations with Russia. We will see if they stop sending weapons and money to Ukraine.
Also, unlike marriage (are you married, by the way? :-), international relations are relations of many people with another mass of people. Being a country’s admin you should think about all of your countrymen. So, this or that decision may be contradictory.
Like, we do military activities in Ukraine and transit gas via their territory. Our closest friend Belarus understands our motive for our military activities in Ukraine and at the same time do not recognise Crimea as Russia. So does our another friend country China, or our OPEC partner Saudi Arabia with whom we may coordinate our common tactics in the oil market.
I say, unlike marriage, because it’s close relationship with ( normally) only one person. So if you’re rude to your partner, so most probably you dine alone and have no sex this day 🙂
Tatyana,
” Also, unlike marriage (are you married, by the way? :-)”
Married – divorced – one child – wife remarried and then died in her early fifties. Just background to say that I have lived and seen some life.
Now all you say is interesting – and – like marriage – much has to be navigated.
Russia has Russia’s interests to take care of – and – the US – well?
Well, I was married – divorced – married another man – divorced – re-married my second ex-husband, so now he is both my 2nd and 3rd husband in our common 2-nd marriage, which is the 3rd for me and the 3rd for him also, because he was married and divorced by the moment we married for our common 1st time, which was actually the 2nd marriage for every of us.
I think I can say I have also seen some life 🙂
Yet, if you ask me to play Cassandra, I politely decline. As you see, I cannot choose a husband once and forever.
Well the US and Russia did meet in Riyadh and will continue to meet. According to Tass, they talked about a range of issues including the embassies and structural problems. Think that is the first to be addressed. According to the Kremlin website, Putin did mention the Middle East – issues of ME settlement in his conversation with Trump. I don’t have much hope that the Americans are sincere. The most disgusting aspect of Trumps attitude to Ukraine is that he wants his money back – MONEY – in the form of rare earths (believe Russia has captured about half of them). But Ukraine has to repay the US for the arms/aid/whatever the US gave/lent to them?? The US started this bloody conflict years ago and Trump was front and centre during his presidency. They used Ukraine as their proxy so they didn’t need to use their troops because body bags returning to the US would be very unpopular. Ukraine has more than repaid its debt to the US with the hundreds of thousands (one source stated 1.9 million) of their soldiers killed or maimed for the failed war the US started!!! Ukraine is a failed state run by criminals and funded by a criminal regime in Washington. Thankfully Russia is winning and maybe the whole thing will be over soon. BUT it needn’t have happened in the first place!
Rosemary,
” Russia has captured about half of them). But Ukraine has to repay the US for the arms/aid/whatever the US gave/lent to them??”
I think that you just hit the nail on the head.
While we are being sleuths identifying a ‘proxy war’ and ‘duplicitous conduct’ there is a big, bad, world out there where arms manufacturers want to sell more arms and wars are a way of ensuring that arms keep getting sold. Then Trump, if he can, might also try to get repayment via grabbing rare metals after Russia was sucked into a very costly war.
But – who cares about the massive loss of human life – when there is money to be made?
I object to the word “captured”. Territories with resources are inhabited. The fact that Kiev considers these territories its own does not make the people living there have no rights to this land.
If you recognize the right of the Scots to their resources, then you must recognize the right of the Donbass people to their resources.
Tatyana,
In the Caribbean,, where I was born right next to neighbouring South America, try telling the indigenous peoples that right after the landing of Christopher Columbus that their lands and wealth were not ‘Captured”.
If the land has been occupied and resources have been taken therefrom – sounds to me that same has been ‘captured’ – or would ‘ confiscated’ or ‘ alternatively confined’ be more appropriate synonyms?
Not to say that I do not have some grasp of the history and dynamics of Russia minor,
Over to you.
If we transfer the analogy of an external invasion to the Donbass, then the new Kiev will be the external invader.
Historical background of the region is that it was wild until russians settled there. What modern Kiev is – is mentally the part of ex- empire of Hapsburgs, ideology and national identity of only three regions Lvov, Ternopol and Ivano-Frankovsk.
By weird twist they got power over all of Ukraine. The reason of the conflict is that they tried to spread their national identity over all people closed in borders of post-USSR republic.
If only this new national identity didn’t include worship for Nazis, they pretty well might succeed. If only Kiev didn’t ban everything Russian, they might succeed. Yet they chose this special national identity that forbids and hates everything Russian, so they told people they can no longer speak Russian, or attend Russian orthodox church, or celebrate victory over nazism etc etc.
That is why Kiev is external occupying power, not Russia.
JK, it states in that video that the camp was privately funded.
There are over 88k MoD funded cadets in UK doing much the same thing.
I remember as a kid in secondary school there were a number of boys in the Irish version the FCA. We called it the free clothes association. It’s been mothballed for some time now.
So what’s your point. Pretty much every country has some kind of cadet programme. Most don’t teach nazi propaganda though. Or do they?
“If you recognize the right of the Scots to their resources, then you must recognize the right of the Donbass people to their resources.”
Agreed.
It appears to me that – if Russia just withdrew from the Donbas that the Neo-Nazi dictator -Zelensky – would just sent his Neo-Nazi brigades back in to continue their genocide which the West turned a blind eye to for eight years or so – for that reason alone – the Donbas should, if the people wish, remain in the Russian Federation.
On sought after minerals I’ve read that Starmer has underwritten a huge swathe of Ukrainian debt – and in return these minerals were to be promised to British firms – that’s why Westminster is desperate to keep the war going – simply put much of those precious minerals lie within the Donbas Region – which is out of reach for Westminster, and their corporate buddies – which for me is poetic justice.
It appears to me that – if Russia just withdrew from the Donbas that the Neo-Nazi dictator -Zelensky – would just sent his Neo-Nazi brigades back in to continue their genocide which the West turned a blind eye to for eight years or so – for that reason alone – the Donbas should, if the people wish, remain in the Russian Federation.
Exactly my view too, it is impossible for Russia to leave these regions now, if Zelensky roll in with his terror thugs, there is risk of severe human rights abuse, perhaps genocide.
I remember the heinous videos from Ukraine in the beginning of the war, how lawless thugs tied, alleged traitors (often ethnic russians), and beat them, humiliated them in the streets:
“Ukrainian civilians stripped, tied up and beaten by vigilantes in shocking videos”
https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukrainian-civilians-stripped-tied-up-and-beaten-by-vigilantes-in-shocking-videos/news-story/3a2abcc0a87815925dce0db9cee1c09a
RoS
That would be the Jewish Neo Nazi dictator (elected in free elections BTW)?
Aye right.
And Jack: do you really believe that Putin gives a rattling damn about human rights? Seriously?
Yeah! I thought how I could illustrate this mess going on in Ukraine.
Let’s imagine, a coup d’etat happens in London. New government says: well, guys, from now on we hold everyone and everything that is inside this country’s borders.
Now, no Scots, or Welsh, or Irish. You all are UK-ans and the only dialect you can speak and teach to your children is Qween English.
Then, guys, you really do not need so many ways to worship your god, Anglican churches are good for everyone.
And, these national heroes of yours is a threat for our new way to live. Let’s glorify (I don’t even know what idiotic figure to put here) well, let’s say the Belgian King Leopold, chopping off the hands of the colonial slaves of the Congo. We will name streets and squares in his honor, and establish a state award in his name.
Whoever decides that he doesn’t like it, then we call you separatists and you get bombing on your houses. By the way, our friends recognize our right to do this and are ready to give us weapons and money.
How do you like it? Especially, considering that you are entirely within these borders and your larger ethnic branch does not have a strong state in the neighborhood? Nobody you could turn to for help?
What ‘neo-Nazis’ and what ‘genocide’?
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-claims-genocide-happening-in-donbas-region-of-ukraine-2022-2?op=1
Let’s imagine Westminster enters into discussions with the EU about Scotland’s future without any input from Holyrood.
I assume everybody would be happy with that?
Also, you new UK-an government would say that you, guys, now have no way out. You cannot use UN guaranteed right to self-determination. Because you, guys, are now subject to London-written constitution, and this constitution says UK is a unitary state, no way out is legal.
And many old reverend people in wigs would check their thick law volumes and say: yes, it’s legal under their national legislation everything London does is legal. Whoever may want to help you is an aggressor, pariah to be condemned and despised.
Voila, you’re trapped.
Either you bend yourself and accept, forget your roots, learn new language, spit on your parent’s values and culture. Or, you die. Simple choice.
JK Redux
So because Zelensky rule there could be no antisemities in Ukraine? You mean there were no racists in the US because Obama was elected in the US?
Check out this lovely summer camp in Ukraine, looks like Hitler-Jugend, with the leaders sporting swasitikas and white pride tattoos but like yourself they deny that nazism is normalized in Ukraine:
Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’
https://youtu.be/jiBXmbkwiSw?t=569
Meanwhile in Russia:-
DW News: Inside Russia’s military summer camp (27 Jul 2018) – YouTube, 3m 12s
No need to imagine it Tatyana. It was used in Ireland from the 17th century and when that didn’t work they enacted the “union.”
Penal laws in Ireland.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_Laws_(Ireland)
https://libraryireland.com/HistoryIreland/Penal-Laws.php
Then they tried again in N.Ireland from 1921.
(That was for JK 😄)
JK redux.
Zelensky has said on his Neo-Nazi brigades – which he’s quite happy to use – they are what they are. As the saying goes, if you lie down with dogs you pick up fleas. As for the genocide in the Donbas – those Ukrainian Neo-Nazi brigades attacked civilians and civilian infrastructure in the Donbas, killing many civilians, for nigh on eight years. And if Putin hadn’t intervened, Zelensky would’ve finished the job. On this occasion thankfully he did, and many civilian lives in the Donbas have been saved because of it – and many Ukrainian Neo-Nazis are now no more.
At first, I was utterly shocked at the West backing the Neo-Nazi’s in Ukraine and the genocide in Gaza, but now we can see the West for what it actually is. And I’m not counting in millions of citizens, from various countries in the West who are just as appalled as I am at the West embracing Neo-Nazism. Any moral high ground that the West thought it held over say Russia, China or even NK – with this genocide in Gaza and the backing of Neo-Nazism in Ukraine – has for me melted away like snow aff a dyke (as they say in Scotland).
I meant liberated but I am so angry and helpless about the whole criminal debacle created by the west not just in Ukraine but also in Palestine and many other places!!!
Tatyana;
“…Let’s imagine, a coup d’etat happens in London. New government says: well, guys, from now on we hold everyone and everything that is inside this country’s borders.
Now, no Scots, or Welsh, or Irish. You all are UK-ans and the only dialect you can speak and teach to your children is Qween English.
Then, guys, you really do not need so many ways to worship your god, Anglican churches are good for everyone.
And, these national heroes of yours is a threat for our new way to live. Let’s glorify (I don’t even know what idiotic figure to put here) well, let’s say the Belgian King Leopold, chopping off the hands of the colonial slaves of the Congo. We will name streets and squares in his honor, and establish a state award in his name.
Whoever decides that he doesn’t like it, then we call you separatists…”
As a Scot, this all sounds vaguely, what’s the word….”familiar”!!
I just happened to do a search a bit earlier in respect of something and one of the results was a Daily Express article, and that’s how I came across the following (in other words, I don’t read the DE!). Here are a couple of passages from it:
Speaking at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, the US president also said he would not be against European peacekeeping troops being posted to Ukraine as part of a peace deal.
He told media: “If they want to do that, that’d be fine.” He added that the US would “not object to that at all”.
It comes after Mr Lavrov said Russia would not accept the presence of NATO troops in Ukraine.
The Russian foreign minister said: “Any appearance by armed forces under some other flag does not change anything.
“It is, of course, completely unacceptable.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2016321/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-peace-talks
Well that didn’t take long to hit the buffers. WtFF!
Been meaning to post a link to this for a few days, but keep on forgetting… then remembering… then forgetting again, posted Feb 13:
REVEALED: Trump & Elon Musk’s BRUTAL Secret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEfJdtdtEoc (DDN 11mins 49secs)
No need for peacekeepers because there isn’t going to be a ceasefire and there isn’t going to be any more nazis.
Zelensky and his goons will very soon be relocating to another location which will either be hell or somewhere similar, but won’t be Europe, the UK or USA. Israel is a possibility.
The new Ukrainian government will have the mandate and support to manage what’s left of the Ukraine .
Allan Howard
Trump is not firing on all cylinders.
He also said yesterday re Zelenskiy: “You’ve been there for three years. You should’ve ended it in three years. You should have never started it.”
It would have been the truth if said re Putin but what Trump said re Zelenskiy reveals his cognitive decline.
Link to Trump’s comment re Zelenskiy starting the war.
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1891968522655342854?t=cTKfOkziK69rJFPGxl8d2g&s=19
Trump said, “You should never have started it, you could have made a deal.”
He is correct: a deal was on the table from February 26th 2022.
Ukraine rejected it.
That deal is gone. The next deal will be considered even less acceptable by Zelensky. Fortunately, as far as the vast majority of Ukrainians are concerned, his opinion no longer matters.
A ‘deal’ which would’ve allowed Russia to keep those parts of Ukraine they\d already occupied. Would anyone in Zelensky’s place have signed that? Seriously? It wouldn’t have brought about a lasting peace anyway, just a pause whilst Russian forces re-grouped before advancing again and taking even more land.
I’m sorry but there is a lot of bull on here from the Democratic Liberals.
Whether you think Russia is wonderful or villainous there is reality occurring in the talks between two heavily nuclear-armed countries. They can finish off Humanity for near good and Zelensky/Macron/and Starmer can’t (not without the permission of the US at least). So who is negotiating?
The BIG powers not the small ones. Any student of history will know that the weaker powers decide nothing.
The US has deserted Ukraine and they will not be back for a while until it is propitious to do so. Deal with the real, you Liberals.
The niceties of an EU Army is hot air. Do you honestly think that Orbán and many others will agree to this? No chance – Poland has already said they will walk alone.
Starmer’s idea is crazy, and Macron and Scholtz think it is too. Quite right – it is. Ukraine can not win now or get the land that Russia has seized back. Does anyone seriously think that Putin will say: “Fair enough – you can have your 22% of seized land back on Tuesday”?
No bloody chance – yet Liberal Democrats both here and in the MSM genuinely think this scenario can happen, after ‘negotiations’. Quite frankly that is laughable.
But that can only be a belief among the people who were cajoling the Ukrainian people on in the first place, that with the backing of The West that they could gain victory.
That was a terrible and awful lie, and the consequences of that lie are being laid bare in Saudi Arabia. The Proxy War enhancers (the US) have retreated and now all that is left is the defeat (or temporary European defeat) of NATO. Trump knows it – I think I know it – but European Liberals and Starmer don’t know it. They will – soon enough.
Re Tatyana’s point re the ultra nationalists. “By weird twist they got power over all of Ukraine. The reason of the conflict is that they tried to spread their national identity over all people closed in borders of post-USSR republic”.
I remember being struck with a sense of “deja vu” when reading that the fascist Banderites under German protection in 1941 – 1943 attempted very much the same thing with the people of the Donbass as they did post Maidan and encountered similar resistance.
The reality is that the ultra nationalists, everywhere, only exist and can only exist because of western funding and support. This is true in Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, Africa, etc. Does Trump mark a point in history when this will stop, no, it will continue but in another form. The shape shifters only understand money and power.
The process of Ukrainization of the population was disgusting. Including murders of people, disappearances of people, discrimination against people, and at the state level decisions were made to bomb regions that did not want to submit to this new government.
After the pro-Russians were burnt alive in the Odessa Trade Union House, their then President Poroshenko told the city quite openly – submit, choose to be with us. Donbass resists and gets bombs. And by submitting to us, you will have a chance to live. Because our children will go to schools and kindergartens, and their children will hide in basements.
IMO. The only mistake Putin has made in Ukraine is in not taking Odessa, that would solve a lot of problems past, present and future. It’s not too late but there again I have to bow to Putin’s superior political skills.
Well he tried but failed.
A poll conducted in 2014 found the residents didn’t want to be part of Russia.
Odessa didn’t ask Putin for help, Stevie Boy.
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Can someone enlighten me on what’s the Plan of those who want the Ukrainian war to continue?
Assuming that Von der Leyen, Macron and that Estonian woman do something miraculous and defeat Russia.
What’s next? What’s the fate of Donbass?
Will EU say that Kiev can now resume bombing until the survivors agree to become Ukrainians? Or what?
What are they going to do with those who consider themselves Russian?
Will there be ethnic cleansing? Mass deportations? What is the Plan?
” What are they going to do with those who consider themselves Russian? ”
Exchange them for the Ukrainians who have been forceably taken to Russia (includes 20,000+ children).
Tatyana, yes I know, but Odessa would have been a useful strategic prize that would have effectively emasculated Ukraine and got rid of all that Nazi testosterone.
BTW there is no plan, never has been, it’s all about trying to destabilize Russia. The EU and UK were just used by the USA as pubic lice to keep Russia scratching, but now Trump has used some DDT and a cure is at hand. Hopefully, all the Ukranian freeloaders in the UK will soon be leaving and returning to the fatherland.
Spotted this in the recommends on youtube earlier, albeit from four days ago:
Yanis Varoufakis & Melanie Schweizer Expose the Truth Behind Europe’s War Agenda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gob_PnR4fI (DiEM25 20mins)
And here’s the top comment (at the time of typing), which is quite touching:
I am a 73 year old man and I have spent the better part of my life trying to understand why I seem to always feel a certain sadness in my heart. Then I thought, maybe this had something to do with it. Hopefully this story brings out others like me. In 1963 Zionists came to my home in Casablanca Morocco, to convince my parents to send me and my little sister to Israel without them. I was 12 and my sister 9 when we started our miserable journey to the “Promised land”. It destroyed our family and left me and my sister with long lasting scars neither one of us has been able to heal. Being from Morocco made it even more difficult to live in a more racist country than Morocco ever was. We had a very peaceful life as Jews living amongst Muslims in Morocco. We understood each other and helped each other. To this day, the principal advisor to King Mohamed is a Jew. But the Zionists needed boddies to fill Israel and slowly claim more and more land from the Palestinians they kept displacing. The people running Israel are not Jews. True Jews would have helped the Palestinians evolve and share in their fortunes, like we did for centuries in the Arab world. Israel claims it is defending itself? Against whom? The people they have been displacing and opressing for 80 years? Israel, my advice to you, if you want to survive, get rid of the religious zealots who run your government and join the 21st century.
PS My apologies if anyone already posted a link to it.
Lemmings going over the cliff, rabbits dazed in the headlights of the ongoing car or just plain stupid? BBC reports this am.
“EU agrees new sanctions against Russia
EU ambassadors have agreed a new round of sanctions on Russia, the bloc’s diplomats says. The 16th package of sanctions includes a ban on Russian primary aluminium import, and listing of 73 new shadow fleet vessels, the Reuters news agency reports”.
Pure monty python, what imbeciles. C’mon it’s only a flesh wound.
“ T’is but a scratch” is the correct reference to the Black Knight sequence. “Flesh wound” is only following, so as to make it a running (?) gag. All mouth and (no) limbs was the morale of the day…
“EU ambassadors have agreed”. Since when are ambassadors in charge of foreign policy? Not in their own league, I’m sure Craig would agree…
The right to self determination (of all peoples) is part of the UN charter, unfortunately it does not say ‘which people’ (quite understandably) since Catalonia is an integral part of Spain it can only gain independence from Spain with the consent of the Spanish parliament (not forthcoming) only a civil war or the serious threat of one could convince Spain to break up the country. The European Union did not back the Independence movement in Catalonia since they realized that to do so would be to open a can of worms in many other regions of the EU, in France and Italy for instance.
I am thankful that the UK parliament has offered the right to self determination to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, dependent on a 50% plus 1 majority referendum. A Pandora’s box (as I mentioned above) could be opened in the case of Catalonia, also in Cornwall and the Mebyon Kernow Nationalist party who at one time had the Liberal leader John Pardoe as a member.
Some western politicians are willing to start WW3 to stop the Russian speaking peoples of the Dombass and Crimea from exercising their right to self determination and their right to secede, even when that right is backed up with vast electoral support.
The issue of self determination and who has a right to it is a very contentious issue, when the Kosovo Liberation Army started its campaign to secede from Yugoslavia (as it was still called) the matter was taken to the ICJ by Yugoslavia (Serbia). They argued that, in international law, the right to secure borders meant that Kosove did not have the right to secede. The Kosovan argument was that, in international law, the right to self-determination meant that Kosovo did have the right to secede The ICJ agreed that the two were contradictory and they would need to rule on which had precedence. They ruled that self-determination was more important than secure borders.
N.B. The administration of Kosovo declared independence without going to a referendum but the ICJ ruled that, since they were a regional government, they could be said to be expressing the will of the people of Kosovo. (are the SNP listening?)
Applying the, now, established principle to Ukraine would mean that Crimea had the right to secede and ask to join Russia (even if they hadn’t bothered with a referendum), and that Lugansk and Donetsk had the right to declare independence ……. and later to apply to join Russia.
Ukraine will get Crimea back when Spain gets Gibraltar back
Linking a post on Karlof1’s blog describing Maria Zakharova’s takedown of french minister’s stupidity. She relates how much Russia was involved in the french resistance in WW2 and how easily such things are forgotten or simply not mentioned.
https://karlof1.substack.com/p/maria-zakharova-historian-from-todays
I feel really sorry for contradicting Maria Zakharova, if her thoughts are accurately reported here.
For the deaf and hearing impaired, let’s make it clear. All persons with an average education in history know perfectly well how the Soviet Union was a major contributor to the debacle of Hitler and his regime.
These persons presumably include the current French FM. As a savvy diplomat, he simply flatters those he’s trying to impress…
lol
As an above average self educated in history I know a lot better than the average level mis-educated adult – that it was the Soviet Red Army that obliterated the majority of the Nazis from many nations, that totally fucked up Hitler, and his toadies and Backers in the West.
Their survival and resolve made the Nazis kill their babies and themselves in their Bunkers as the Soviets came to collect for their 27 million dead, most of whom were civilians.
That level of existential near death experience has never and will never leave their collective consciousness. How could it?
That Magnificient Great Patriotic War of survival against all odds – especially the doomed to starvation Petersburg.
The dumbass neo Nazis and western Bankers have inadvertently reinforced that pride and gratitude in their foreparents! A couple of decades of softening up with denim, crap fast food and western porn culture just got flushed away… like the Augean stables being flooded clean of its stinky crap.
And guess what Madison if your understanding is below that, as an average western mis-educated child, know that half the population’s is even worse than that average delusional fake propoganda. 😉
GunGroanin; Bravo!
Great putdown, hope she provides a similar reality check for Starmer.
‘French Resistance’, oxymoron ?
Cheese eating surrender monkeys ?
Oh yeah. Give us a little more French bashing, please.
Even after Brexit, Vlad and others love to see Europeans tear each others apart.
And comrade Donald would totally approve. You now can easily apply for a Green Card!
A couple of Russian emigres might have been part of the early French Resistance but they’d have had no support from the Soviets. Until 1941 Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were allies, they carved up Poland between them and the official communist parties in western Europe were instructed to collaborate. A British communist was caught passing details of Atlantic convoys to the Nazis. He was hung.
Some ships of the Tsari’s navy wintered in American ports in 1863 and one ship loitered in US waters for a few months afterwards. To present this as some sort of pro-Union blockade is stretching it. The Russian navy of the time wasn’t very powerful and would’ve been pushed aside by the British anyway. US-Russian relations turned sour in the early 20th century after a series of anti-Jewish ‘Pogroms”.
In an earlier comment up thread Kissinger said “It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.” but the latest revelations reveal the extent of US machinations. “Panic in Kyiv as US president demands higher share of GDP than Germany’s First World War reparations”
Donald Trump’s demand for a $500bn (£400bn) “payback” from Ukraine goes far beyond US control over the country’s critical minerals. It covers everything from ports and infrastructure to oil and gas, and the larger resource base of the country.
The terms of the contract that landed at Volodymyr Zelensky’s office a week ago amount to the US economic colonisation of Ukraine, in legal perpetuity. It implies a burden of reparations that cannot possibly be achieved. The document has caused consternation and panic in Kyiv.
The Telegraph has obtained a draft of the pre-decisional contract, marked “Privileged & Confidential’ and dated Feb 7 2025. It states that the US and Ukraine should form a joint investment fund to ensure that “hostile parties to the conflict do not benefit from the reconstruction of Ukraine”.
The agreement covers the “economic value associated with resources of Ukraine”, including “mineral resources, oil and gas resources, ports, other infrastructure (as agreed)”, leaving it unclear what else might be encompassed. “This agreement shall be governed by New York law, without regard to conflict of laws principles,” it states.
The US will take 50pc of recurring revenues received by Ukraine from extraction of resources, and 50pc of the financial value of “all new licences issued to third parties” for the future monetisation of resources. There will be “a lien on such revenues” in favour of the US. “That clause means ‘pay us first, and then feed your children’,” said one source close to the negotiations.
It states that “for all future licences, the US will have a right of first refusal for the purchase of exportable minerals”. Washington will have sovereign immunity and acquire near total control over most of Ukraine’s commodity and resource economy. The fund “shall have the exclusive right to establish the method, selection criteria, terms, and conditions” of all future licences and projects. And so forth, in this vein. It seems to have been written by private lawyers, not the US departments of state or commerce. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/17/revealed-trump-confidential-plan-ukraine-stranglehold/
With friends like the US, who needs enemies?
Well if true it means Trump isn’t going to totally capitulate to Putin as a lot of people are fearing. However if Putin isn’t agreeable what’s Trump going to do? Send in US forces?
It has to be said that the Torygraph has form in publishing fakes. Remember the George Galloway libel case?
The Orange Zionist, POTUS Trump, has publicly branded Zelensky a dictator – Trump also accused him of mismanaging the conflict with Russia – and misusing American financial aid. Trump also attacked Zelensky for refusing to hold elections.
Zelensky’s days, must now be surely numbered as the dictator of Ukraine – he’ll probably end up next to the Skripal’s in a shallow grave.
His standing ovation days are over, that’s for sure.
Only question now is if he escapes a standing Azov firing squad.
I have little doubt that Trump is talking for the American establishment on this – the media caricature of Trump constantly talking out of turn is a cover for the blatant volte-face. Quite embarrassing for the British journalists who have not only lauded Zelensky to the skies for three years but whose newspapers censored their own readers from saying otherwise.
I think similar.
Ze knows too much about money “missing”, and may hint why Biden pardoned his son and then all of his family, also may voice the role of UK in terrorist attack in Russia etc etc
Either Ze flees to Russia to add to Putin’s collection of fugitive presidents, or he may suddenly collapse somewhere poisoned by “agent of a type developed by Russia”. Highly likely.
Or, maybe another supporter of Ukraine happen to be more successful in shooting at Trump. I find it no less likely.
It is absurd how out of touch EU is on the subject, Trump have ever since his first term in 2016 proclaimed that he seek better relations with Russia and seek to bury the hatchet, still now even in 2025 the EU are obviously in shock. It also prove what a bubble these people live in, dissent and criticism have been rejected, deliberately rejected for years, every alternative view has been rebuffed, every news outlet that portrayed the Ukraine conflict differently was labeled “russian disinformation” and banned, and instead the EU became stuck in their grotesque groupthink.These people are not diplomats, they act like juvenile adults, now running around like hens in hysteria.
For 3 years Ukraine tried to win over Russia, with military backing of almost 60 nations, Ukraine got almost nowhere. When will EU come to grips and understand that this war is a lost cause for Ukraine? In what scenario would Ukraine win over Russia? And win what? Like ethnic russians in Crimea and eastern part of Ukraine want to belong a regime that have shelled them for almost a decade now!?
Starmer after telling genocide Joe he is prepared to send British supplied missiles to Ukraine in order to use against Russian cities, is now talking about sending in UK troops. First Boris scuppers the Istanbul agreement 2 years ago, now Starmer wants to send in the British military. Someone needs to tell that clown Starmer the Bulldog lost its teeth years ago and is now only a yammering mutt on the world stage.
Harry Law
Putin is repeating Hitler’s mistakes. In particular he is targeting Ukrainian civilians – just as the Nazis targeted English civilians during the Blitz.
Ukraine is targeting Russian military and strategic targets – killing orc soldiers and their resources.
Slava Ukraini
I beg to slightly disagree, redux.
Roosevelt never made a deal with Hitler. He never told De Gaulle “you’re fired”.
Trump will end up with a bad, bad surprise. And Elon become the new Mengele.
“Ukraine is targeting Russian military and strategic targets”
JK redux.
It seems to me – that the Ukrainian Neo-Nazi’s have not only targeted their own citizens, in the likes of the Bucha and Kramatorsk attacks, but they have also repeatedly tried to breach the largest nuclear power plant – (the ZNPP) in Europe on multiple occasions.
They’ve also tried to breach a nuclear power station in Kursk – not to mention the latest incident – trying to breach the Chernobyl power plant. Of course the Western captured body the IAEA – is akin to the Three Wise Monkeys on these attacks, they hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil, against the Neo-Nazi dictatorships oppressive regime.
Are you sure there are any Russians in Ukraine at all? That the whole thing isn’t some gigantic Neo-Nazi Ultra-Fascist Satanist false flag run by a Devil Worshipping coven of Masonic paedophiles that sacrifices virgins trafficked into Kyiv by Prince Andrew?
OH ridicule and sarcasm and mockery, that last refuge of the imaginatively bankrupt, along with trying to belittle the target and make them the object of laughter. It’s designed to have people conclude the target’s argument/opinion is stupid. But the irony is that those that it DOES have the desired effect on are generally pretty stupid themselves, and are susceptible to it precisely because it gives them a superiority rush.
And I don’t think you’ll find many people who follow Craig have such a mindset Pears, and you’re wasting your time on here using such a tactic, as such.
Apart from which, it’s so infantile and immature.
Are you being paid per word?
RoS
Get a grip man.
The Ukrainian neo Nazis?
FFS Putin’s Z orcs fits the neo Nazi label far better.
To whom are these supposed “Ukrainian neo Nazis” a threat?
While the Russian military are a potential threat to states from Finland south to Georgia.
“To whom are these supposed “Ukrainian neo Nazis” a threat?”
Mostly to other ukrainians who want to retreat or surrender.
“To whom are these supposed “Ukrainian neo Nazis” a threat?”
JK redux.
Primarily Europe – with the Ukrainian Neo Nazi’s continually attempting to breach nuclear power plants, in Europe.
I almost wish that, for the sake of the mental equilibrium of most posters here, Trump complies with Putin’s insane attempts to extinguish the sovereignty of Ukraine.
After all, Zelensky started the war and has only 4% support in Ukraine.
But you know what? Fvck Trump and Putin. A demented narcissist and a vicious old KGB man.
Karma will arrange a shared cell in the Hague.
Just imagine the conversations.
Perhaps Netanyahu and Gallant will be next to them ?
JohnnyOh45
The more war criminals in that large and airy cell the better.
JK Redux
There is a reason why the Europeans and the UK don’t know what’s happening.
That is: they don’t know what’s happening. Understandable if you think about it.
They nailed their colours to the US mast post WW2 and thought (and still think) that ‘things’ can carry on in the old way.
The MSM think and have thought and still are thinking the same. Trump has only revealed what the US’s intentions have always been:
‘We fought World War 2 in Europe and if you fools let us – we’ll fight World War 3 in Europe.’ Take out the word ‘we’ and replace it with ‘you’ doing the fighting against Russia and you may understand that quote.
Trump is ‘disengaging’ – a polite word for running away but, yet again, the Centrists are to blame for their unshakeable belief that the US is a Democracy and is a force for good.
Yes, if it is not always kind (it makes mistakes – see Amis, Hithchens C., and Aaranovich for details) it still does more good than harm – and if it Regime Changes anywhere because it is a Democracy that is OK.
I’ve never believed that the US governments have ever been benevolent and well meaning, if you have then good luck to you, but facts are stubborn things and the fact is that Trump and his team are actually ‘disengaging’ NATO from the European Theatre and Ukraine will not be allowed into NATO (this is where we all came in remember?) my personal view is that they will not be allowed to join the EU either – not with their forecast debt to GDP ratio.
The main people who have been lied to and misled in this chaos and stupidity are the Ukrainian people.
Zelensky can ‘disengage’ himself to Florida if he wants – he’s rich – but the ordinary Ukranians will be left with their dead and injured and the task of repaying the so called ‘Aid’ to creditors with a population that has been falling by around 20% (before the war and during the war).
The Ukrainian Oligarchs will contribute nothing – even though they benefitted enormously from the Aid. They may ‘disengage’ too. Many who left will not be going back ever and I don’t blame them.
So, I think the Ukranian people can thank the Democratic Western countries and the various medias in those countries who sold them the lie that they would back them until the world ended in order to ‘beat’ Russia.
Trump has just proved that lie and the Liberal Centre are pretending that they can do it instead of the US. That also is a lie – a Whopper of a lie and because they don’t know what to do, all they can do is mouth off.
They are near impotent and they have a choice: Insult the US or insult their people?
The EU has been insulting its people for many years now and my bet is after all this bluster is over they will stick with the US. Because after all – it is a ‘Democracy’ – right?
Oh, and I forgot that after insulting and ripping off their people to still carry out the US’s bidding, they then have to get elected.
I told told you – they don’t know what they are doing for the simple reason they don’t know what they have done over the years. If they do know – that’s denial.
If they don’t they are very stupid politicians indeed.
Of course, one reason why Trump may want to be best buddies with Russia is that he believes it will drive a wedge between the Russia/China relationship. Not that Putin would fall for that, but it’s possible.
Stevie Boy,
Don’t be fooled.
The US lured Zelensky into a ‘proxy war’; prior to that there was a 2014 US sponsored coup; follow up with the Minsk I and II breached deals – then blame it all on Putin.
Wake up – we are not all dumb.
” There is a reason why the Europeans and the UK don’t know what’s happening ”
Yes, nobody knows what’s happening. Trump is all over the place, everybody expected his approach to Ukraine to be as deranged as his ‘solution’ to Gaza and the belief he can buy Greenland and annex Canada but his most recent outburst is off the scale. Negotiation, if I thought Putin was serious about negotiating, is like a game of poker. It’s important to keep your true intentions to yourself but Trump has just thrown all his cards face up on the table; or has he?
By the way the most recent polls place Zelensky’s approval rating at 57%, down from 90% but ahead of Trump’s 45% and both are figures our own PM can only dream of. Barring any interference from outside he’d probably get re-elected if there was an election tomorrow.
remind us of the grown-up liberal centrist ‘solution’ to Gaza.
Pears Morgaine
Fair enough and to accuse Trump for lying and exaggerating is nothing new.
But I think he is entirely serious about his plans for leaving the Europeans in charge of what will happen in the future in Ukraine.
One is Ukranian elections.
If Zelensky is a democrat and Ukraine is a democracy then no harm in Zelensky or the government having them then?
It will prove a point and test both our theories that the government is popular or unpopular.
Nothing like reality to make or break theories.
p.s. Elections may be part of the negotiations for Russians – they may even insist on them.
Re. Ukrainian elections. Russians surely would insist, because we need a legitimate head of the state, if we are going to do any treaties. So would Americans, I guess, if they intend to sign a treaty on rare earth minerals. Anyone would like an elected head of state, whose status and mandate is not questionable.
which entirely sane poster on here declared Joe Biden to be fundamentally decent at the height of a genocide?
Re Pears Morgaine’s Reply To Alyson
In his post at 14.03 on the 18th – and in response to Alyson who had posted a link to a vid by Roger Waters, and said ‘Roger Waters puts it all together completely clearly’ – Pears Morgaine said:
Things must be getting desperate when you have to rely on some burnt out rock star
Yeah, he’s so burnt out that between July 2022 and December 2023 he did a tour of Europe and North and South America involving 99 shows/gigs in three legs. See this wikipedia entry, and scroll down to see the list of tourdates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Not_a_Drill
And check this out from October 1st 2016 in Mexico City, which I’m posting for an obvious reason, as you will see (oh, and THAT was *another* tour that he did!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWLBtMz5OuY (11mins 39secs)
And this, from 2015:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvl0MDXH96M (4mins 18secs)
Roger’s position is well-grounded. I saw his interview at the very beginning of the war. He said that he studied the issue, read books and was interested in the historical background. So his career as a rock star is not relevant in this case.
Unlike, for example, Angelina Jolie.
I liked this actress and i thought she was more than a pretty face on screen when she joined the breast cancer awareness campaign. But recently USAID’s details were made public and it was reported that she was paid $20 million to visit Kiev and show support for Ukraine. For this money she went to a bomb shelter with a very scared face.
Orlando Bloom, Sean Penn and Ben Stiller also were paid pretty money for trips to Ukraine.
I saw his ‘this is not a drill’ show at the O2 centre last year – was packed out to the rafters. Brilliant performance.
Great The flying pig! New songs and old. The most underrated British rock band ever. Better than Stones, Beatles and other classics. For an 80 year old it was a long show more than most perky youngsters can do…
He directly addressed the war (his father died fighting Nazis in WW2); political imprisonment of Assange; and censorship for his calling out the genocide upon the Palestinians, who have been thrown out of their homes and caged in Gaza for 80 years since being invaded by the white supremacist Anglo European ziofascists and their military and financial backers.
It was us, the Anglo European Collective West that established that new illegal apartheid entity. A new colonialism in the age of supposedly handing ‘independence’ to the invaded nations of the world through the centuries.
The pretend independent but Not Quite ‘commonwealth’, out of the British ‘Empire’!
Earlier, outside on the approach to the O2, was a tight group of that white supremacist ziofascists ‘protesting’ against him with some high coordination, uniformed in similar clothing, printed signage – not a adhoc collection is what I mean – and dozens of Police to ‘protect’ them.
They didn’t need any. Except perhaps from terminal embarrassment – most old rockers just laughed, ignored or didn’t even notice them. I did because I was waiting for some friends coming from out of town to watch my first live Waters gig.
I wandered over under the twitching eyes of the ‘protection’ and the ‘protestors’ and gave them the full Paddington stare and asked what was up? Their leader said ‘Roger’ was anti antisemitic and terrorist lover and referring to him by his real name and then fell silent under my querying eye and expression of ‘wtf?’ – I said there are hundreds of children being blown to pieces and shot and I had seen that on twatter from phones and hadn’t seen a single headless baby – except, I looked at him and his motley crew.
Implying the fuckers standing infront of me.
At which point the plod alerted by his pleading eye stepped forward a bit having heard everything I said and… did NOTHING to me.
My friends having just arrived as I loudly explained to them what was going on and my intention of engaging that bunch of agitators further in the confrontation they were intent on stirring up!
They were thirsty after a long journey and I was happy that I had cowered the agitators who decided to break out in some dirge – I gave them my best smile and countered with Come on Roger, as did some passing fans and we strolled off looking for a cheap beer (not easy in London but found a relatively inexpensive one at one of the pubs far inside…)
What a fabulous show. Unforgettable. I look forward to seeing another while his health and fitness allows him. Moronic tin eared philistines who know nothing about music and great musicians would never get the genius of a octogenarian still making the greatest music and even better politics and geopolitics.
It’s a Wonderful World and they’ll never get it.
Bernie Sanders showing his true colors once again, uploaded a rant that could have been written by the finest of neocons, repeating all the lies surronding the Ukraine war – repeating all the lies that US wage war for “democracy”, how democratic Zelensky is, how Putin have offsore accounts apparently forgetting that it was Zelensky that was caught up in the Panama Papers and nothing about the Maidan coup event – but this is the mainstream left today, they are the warmongers.
A Sad Moment in American History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKBM2kS6B8o
So much for siding with the poor, working class knowing full well in times of war it is the people at the bottom that is used as cannon-fodder. What a joke Sanders is.
Everyone that criticize Trump just whine, they do not come up with a better solution to end the bloodshed, a realistic solution that is. If two of the most powerful nations – US, Russia – are not even allowed to talk with each other, then nuclear war is inevitable – this war hysteria is pathological. And all this scaremongeringg nonsense about “appeasement”, no it is the classic “Peace through strength” strategy being used
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_through_strength
Appeal to emotions and no pragmatism, IMHO
I saw several men from opposite camps, who have no reason to love each other, they arrived in Riyadh, all dressed in standard business clothes, and with serious faces, and they tried to put aside their emotions and look for a way out of the impasse we found ourselves in, rationally.
And I can’t stop comparing this picture with the image of an adult unshaven child in a khaki T-shirt, who runs around the world looking into the face of every adult. I may be cynical, and perhaps the harsh 90s left their mark on my perception, but honestly, when I see someone who can afford a standard business suit and expensive Louis Vuitton bags for his wife, but chooses ragamuffin clothes for his public image – I can’t help but think that this is a cunning beggar who wants to evoke pity in me so that I give him money.
Tayana
Yes it is such a scam, his whole look is so micro-managed/propagandized: from the all too small green tshirts he is wearing showing off his “mucles”/strength to the patchy facial hair, supposed to “prove” that Zelensky work oh so much he have no time for shaving. Or his green military pyjama-like outfit even though he spend his days in a cozy, well protected office and not on the frontline.
One can tell he love himself and the publicity he gets and therefore refuse to step down, this is “his” show.
Also one wonder if EU would be OK if Putin said, ‘Well Russia are at war so we are going to ban elections so I am going to rule for a couple of more years’.
Musk reminds the trolls that America held elections as normal during wartime, but Starmer and zelensky beg to differ. There’s a moral there, somewhere …
At that time martial law was in effect in the country due to the war in Donbass, nevertheless their Rada called presidential elections and Ze won. He did not win in the first round, but beat Poroshenko in the second, as he promised peace and an end to the war. Many said that they voted not so much for Ze as against Po.
Nobody was trying to bomb America into submission. Millions of American citizens weren’t refugees scattered across the world and America wasn’t under martial law.
Elections were postponed in the UK during both world wars and there were no ‘elections’ in the Soviet Union between 1937 and 1946.
So, Ze doesn’t mind elections while it’s him who runs as candidate and it’s him who bombs Donbas into submission.
Yet he refuses to call for elections while it’s him who is bombed and obviously he is no longer a candidate.
Perfectly logical, still nothing like democracy.
Stevie Boy
The moral is: let others fight your battles for you.
Preferably at a very safe distance away from the US.
That was the lesson of Vietnam.
This war is nothing like WW2 and comparisons with Churchill and Zelensky
are ridiculous.
By the way Churchill was at Yalta but only as a minor player.
That’s the better parallel between the two leaders.
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also he sometimes pretends he doesn’t know this or that word in Russian, asking people to prompt. When he is actually a native Russian speaking person, and Ukrainian he had to learn later during his presidency.
I don’t know who buys it.
‘Everyone that criticize Trump just whine, they do not come up with a better solution to end the bloodshed…’
They don’t come up with ANY solution Jack, and they want for the war to continue, and for hundreds of thousands more men of military age on both sides to be killed and maimed, on top of the hundreds of thousands who already have been. Never-mind the destruction and devastation, and the pain and heartbreak of those who have lost loved ones.
Such people are inhuman monsters, and it was them of course who provoked Russia in the first place, and left Russia with no other choice but to invade Ukraine..
Allan Howard
You say “left Russia with no other choice but to invade Ukraine”.
Well that’s clearly wrong.
The US President has told us that Zelinskyy (who has only 4% support) started the war.
And you contradict President Trump.
Shame on you.
“Because I used to loathe her, but it’s all over now” said an old song.
Same story today. If the only 2 SUPERPOWERS 💥💥 eventually agree against all odds on such a delicate issue as the Ukraine war, (sorry SMO!), it can’t be just a coit-incidence, it has to be right.
And it also means that since such wise men as Vlad and Don have agreed on the solution for Ukraine, they can certainly also vouch for the final solution for Palestinians. Gaza, the West Bank, even part of Lebanon, they have an offer you just can’t refuse.
Only Chinaman XI thinks twice. “They’re even worse than me, but… I need them for business”
Brave New World. Let’s support Craig.
The British elite are more angry about a potential peace deal than they were about a 15-month genocide.
I would never classify any of the low life’s who hang around Westminster as ‘elite’, grifters maybe !
The leadership in Ukraine even welcome a war between Russia/US, there seems to be no end to the pathological war psychosis going on now:
“US-Russia war would be ‘good for Ukraine’” – Zelensky’s top aide
A direct conflict between the two world powers is unnecessary, but would benefit Kiev, Mikhail Podoliak believes
When asked about the likelihood of US troops coming to Ukraine, Podoliak expressed skepticism but said that pressuring Russian President Vladimir Putin “does not necessarily require pushing for a direct confrontation” between the US and Russia, however such a conflict “would certainly be good for us.”
https://swentr.site/russia/612326-us-russia-war-good/
And a hand-job between Vladimir and Donald would clearly be beneficial to humanity, if only for the precious semen to be collected, if any.
Politics and genetics can sometimes go crosswise…
I’ve never come across this or heard about it before, either at the time, or since, until I read one of Pears Morgaine’s posts up the page – ie a reply to Harry in which he quotes Harry and says:
” there is no evidence that Putin wants to take over the whole of Ukraine, ”
Apart from the battle plans captured in the early months of the conflict.
He can’t accomplish his stated goals without occupying the whole country.
So I did a seach and found a Sky News article and had a gander, and it reminded me of how the security services, so-called, just happened to learn (somehow) that Russian scientists had been experimenting with coating Novichok on door handles (and doorknobs no doubt), and when I read THAT, well I had to change my mind completely and accept that it was Russia wot done it. As for the Russian documents detailing their battle plans to take over the whole of Ukraine, someone must have inadvertently dropped them on the ground, although the Sky article does in fact refer to them as having been ‘captured’, although it doesn’t say WHEN they were… er, captured (although Pears says ‘early months’). But one assumes the MSM were informed shortly after they were captured – ie during the week or two or three prior to the MSM informing us of their capture on December 1st, 2022, some eight months or so after Russia initially invaided Ukraine.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-captured-russian-documents-reveal-moscows-10-day-plan-to-take-over-the-country-and-kill-its-leaders-12759836
Oh, and I nearly forgot, didn’t they find some passports of the 9/11 hijackers… It’s all so wonderfully fortuitous.
Russian troops left thousands of intact vehicles behind when they retreated from Kyiv. Documents left in them would’ve been a veritable intelligence gold mine.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-revealed-secret-battle-plans-left-behind-by-russian-troops-2022-3?op=1
No mystery.
Mustn’t forget the Russian asteroid that is on a possible collision course with Earth.
Expect it to be on the BBC Truth channel any day now…..
According to Bloomberg Ukraine lied about Rare Earth Minerals in an attempt to get Donald Trump onside. It appears they have precious few.
https://archive.ph/UgPzB
Interesting.
On the 18th Rosemary Mac was claiming that Russia had already captured half of Ukraine’s rare earths. How did that happen if they don’t exist?
Why do you take things people say here seriously?
Are you a rookie borrowing an old avatar?
Do what you have to do, if you haven’t already made a donation.
There are no such things as rare earths by the way. It’s all about Mars now.
As the article mention, many of the alleged rare metals are under russian control:
From 2022: In the Ukraine war, a battle for the nation’s mineral and energy wealth
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/10/ukraine-russia-energy-mineral-wealth/
Scroll down to the maps: the metals are mosly in the eastern part of Ukraine and great part are under russian control.