When politicians in power are extremely unpopular, they generally turn to militarism and jingoism for a quick boost. Starmer is now the darling of the UK media for his sabre-rattling over Ukraine and is busily churning out tweets of military imagery.
In doing so he is attempting to pose as in defiance of Trump, and capitalise on Trump’s unpopularity in the UK, even though just two days earlier he was fawning on Trump in the White House and inviting him on an “unprecedented” second State visit.
As ever, there is a great deal of smoke and mirrors here. The European leaders are going to come up with an alternative “peace plan” to present to Trump. This will not be along the lines of the G7 Declaration which was strongly anti-Russian. The European leaders acknowledge that the Biden-era G7 Apulia position is now gone.
Instead the new European plan will essentially give Trump pretty well everything he wants, but give the Europeans a ladder to climb down. Starmer is seeking to be hailed as the great bridger of the Atlantic, who explained Trump to Europe and vice versa.
If Trump were an ordinary politician he would then agree to adopt the “European” plan brought to him by Starmer, with a couple of tiny amendments, and then take the joint position into talks with Putin. But Trump being Trump, he might just tell Starmer to stay out of it.
Both the European and American peace plans will involve Putin keeping control over the large majority of the land his troops hold – because otherwise Putin will not agree, and there will be no point. The European plan will have elements designed to blur the sovereignty issue of the Ukrainian land Russia will retain. This will not run once real negotiations with Russia are underway.
As always, money talks and big business is really pulling the strings. Zelensky did not in the event sign the minerals deal with Trump and is now desperate to do so to try to get American cash flowing his way again.
It is worth noting that Starmer’s delusional “Hundred Year Alliance” agreement with Zelensky contained the UK’s attempt to grab the same minerals Zelensky is now asking again to be allowed to hand over to Trump.
You find this in the UK/Ukraine 100 Year Partnership at “Pillar 5, Para 3, article iv”
(iv) supporting development of a Ukrainian critical minerals strategy and necessary regulatory structures required to support the maximisation of benefits from Ukraine’s natural resources, through the possible establishment of a Joint Working Group;
While we are on the subject, most people sensibly ignored the detail of this crazy “100 year” agreement on the entirely sensible grounds that none of it is ever going to happen. But it does contain some remarkable declarations of malevolent intent, of which my favourite is the desire to open a joint online propaganda unit to interfere in the legacy and social media of third countries.
Which we find outlined in fluent Orwellian at “Pillar 7, Para 4”.
Implement joint media initiatives, contributing to coordinated efforts to promote shared values and vision, addressing the information manipulation and malign interference in third party countries. We commit to partnering on joint initiatives such as communication campaigns to mitigate against those threats. We commit to facilitate strengthening of relationships with civil society organisations to support research and the development of counter-FIMI approaches, recognising the importance of independent media and civil society organisations in building societal resilience.
Which is of course precisely what they are always accusing Russia of doing. Indeed alleged Russian social media interference is why they interfered to have the anti-war winner of the first round of the Romanian elections disqualified.
What this plan amounts to is another Integrity Initiative, this time as a UK/Ukrainian co-production.
One thing I learnt in over 20 years as a diplomat is that the public are generally fed lies about diplomatic discussions. Most diplomatic talks generally end up with an agreed communique that is designed to make everyone look good and may only have a slight link to actual events.
This is especially true with regard to human rights, where in my substantial experience claims that human rights abuses were being dealt with by “quiet diplomacy” were almost always a lie.
A British minister cannot meet a Saudi or Chinese minister without being asked if they raised human rights. The answer given is always “yes” and it is almost always untrue, or it was raised so briefly, quietly and apologetically that it is virtually untrue.
So there is a sense in which the Trump/Vance encounter in the Oval Office with Zelensky was refreshing, in that what you saw is what you got. It was only in being in public that it was more bruising than many diplomatic encounters. I suspect it has shortened the war, especially if Trump sticks to the decision to end aid.
Shortening the war would be a good thing. If you think a principle is so important that you believe it is fine for millions of people to die for it – none of whom are yourself – I suggest you reconsider your principles. I am not so exercised about who is the mayor of Russian-speaking Lugansk that I am prepared to have a nuclear war over the issue.
What I find particularly alarming is the continuing comparison of Putin to Hitler, and the allegation that if Putin is not “stopped” in Ukraine, then he will conquer the whole of Europe.
This is a quite extraordinary example of false analogy. Putin has never shown any indication of following a universal ideology he wishes to impose by conquest, or of territorial ambition beyond a small number of Russian-speaking ex-Soviet districts contiguous to Russia.
In addition to which, Russia is gradually winning a war of attrition against a much smaller neighbour, which is to be expected. Ukraine has survived this long with massive Western aid. But the idea that the Russian army is capable of conquering the whole of Europe, when it cannot subdue Kiev, is plainly utter nonsense. Even aside from the fact there is absolutely no desire in Moscow to do so.
Trump has pointed at NATO and revealed the Emperor’s New Clothes. NATO was formed to counter a Soviet alliance that did possess a universal ideology it wished to spread, and did have the military strength to threaten (though it should be stated not even the Soviet Union ever had any intention of invading Britain or formulated plans to do so). That threat has now passed.
The attempt to use the farcical Salisbury incident as evidence of a Russian threat to the UK population is, frankly, pathetic.
It is hard sometimes to follow the workings of the propaganda machine. At what stage did the crazy narrative that Russia blew up its own Nord Stream pipeline get abandoned?
Russia destroying the pipeline was unanimously and loudly proclaimed by the entire legacy media and the entire political class of the Western world. Those of us who pointed out this was not true were denounced and ridiculed. Yet now the narrative has quietly been dropped, and the truth is occasionally acknowledged by the media. Though with no admission of the previous lies.
How does this cycle operate? Is it centrally determined, or is it organic? Were the media really stupid enough to believe Russia destroyed Nord Stream, or were they knowingly lying? How have the German people been persuaded to accept the massive damage the increase in energy costs did to industrial employment? These are fascinating fields of study.
European politicians who have made a career of Russophobe rhetoric are suddenly naked in the breeze. They are charging around banging the drum of war, threatening to mobilise armies they do not possess and convinced that preserving their own place in the socio-economic hierarchy is well worth the threat of nuclear oblivion.
Laughter is the best response to their pretension.
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The British Establishment, has really embraced Neo-Nazism.
https://nitter.poast.org/Documark/status/1897267519162863638#m
When the USA purges itself of its Ukrainian freeloaders, they’ll probably end up in the UK with the rest of the illegals and criminals. Maybe then Herr Starmer will introduce a new law to make it illegal to associate Ukraine with nazism.
https://www.rt.com/news/613811-trump-ukrainian-migrants-legal-status/
Stevie Boy
That’s a whole lot of hate there for refugees from Putin’s war.
Are you equally ill-disposed towards refugees from Assad’s Syria?
Or the Taliban’s Afghanistan?
Or even historical Jewish refugees from Hitler’s Germany or more recently the USSR?
In fact in your opinion are all refugees “freeloaders”?
JK redux.
Not nearly as much hatred – as Starmer has for Palestinians trying to enter the UK, but what can be expect of a man – aiding and abetting in genocide.
Did you know that at least – £18 million quid has been spent on UK spy planes to fly over Gaza, which pick out civilian targets for the Zio-Monsters to bomb – there’s no doubt whatsoever that Starmer is a war criminal – and he should pay for his crimes against humanity.
Putin’s war? Are you still stuck mentally in 2022, because that lie was debunked zillion times. Also, they are only “refugees” because they fled bloodthirsty, borderline n*zi regime installed in Kiev by NATO, regime who is sending hundreds of thousands of forcibly conscripted by manhunters people to die on front line after a week in training (for comparison, NATO armies need two YEARS of basic orientation to produce fully competent soldier). They didn’t wanted to die in creeping genocide (as people from the western Banderastan are usually kept in safe back positions, it’s the Russian speakers from east who are sent to die while regime thugs laugh) so they voted with their feet and fled Ukreich, and funnily enough, 5 million of them fled to Russia.
99% of Ukraine is completely safe because Russians don’t bomb civilians, save for these used by Kiev monsters as human shields put in military targets – no, really, look up number of civilian deaths, it’s vastly lower than in virtually any war NATO fought, not that this simple fact ever reaches brains of people poisoned by propaganda…
Good Mr V
100% correct.
Every Western led war Post WWII has had either 70% or 90% civilian deaths and physical disabilities not to mention the psychological suffering of a lifetime.
In Ukraine 90% of those killed by Russia have been soldiers.
Here’s a new addition to the OED: Russophrenia is a condition where the sufferer believes Russia is both to collapse and take over the world.
Baron
Nazi Germany, collapsing after its failure to take Stalingrad and retreating till 1945, still murdered millions.
Putin will cause great suffering in Russia and its neighbours before he is shot by his security detail.
“Putin will cause great suffering in Russia and its neighbours before he is shot by his security detail.”
JK redux.
Is that straight from the Pentagon – I recall they openly spoke of some sort of assassination plan not long after the start of the Russian SMO. Of course – the likes of Facebook and Instagram suspended their hate policies, to allow folk to call for death to all Russians on their platforms.
They’ve (Nato/EU) already tried assassinate Fico of Slovakia.
I stopped making predictions about Russia a long time ago JK, which would appear to be wise when you consider things like the Prigozhin lunacy. He, for some reason, apparently chose committing suicide by FSB over becoming its next president and helping himself to many of Putin’s billions. It’s entirely possible that Putin will still be president aged 100; his mother died at 87 and his father at 88, both in the 90’s when healthcare for old people in much of Russia was basically non-existant. Unlike many Russians including his predecessor, he also drinks very modestly, presumably because he doesn’t like being out of control (see also Fred West).
Enjoy the weekend.
JK Redux
That suggests ‘ suffering ‘ by Terrorist means then, because they sure as hell can’t win any other way if the
reality ( as opposed to the delusion ) is real.
Then if Russia cracked down on it maybe The Daily Mail will support his efforts?
Obviously they are for Law and order.
Indeed, it seems like the West suffer from both TDS and Russophrenia, I believe both should be considered real actual delusions/disorders considering how deeply these disorders affect western societies. People are daily put on antipsychotic medication for less severe problems.
Good Jack
That is constant with BOTH Russia and China. Their systems are portrayed as terrible and on the immediate verge of collapse (since 2012) while Hawks in “The West” demand major military expenditure to combat the existential threat of these two countries, always on the verge of self-implosion.
I watched the full Trump Zelensky exchange and it was more nuanced than is being shown in the edited highlights. The Japan Times today says likewise:
‘To start, there is no doubt: Ukraine is the victim and Russia has been the aggressor, violating international laws and human rights. But amid peace and ceasefire talks, a significant misstep by Zelenskyy at the four-minute mark underscored the risks of undiplomatic rhetoric.
Just after Trump expressed respect and empathy towards Ukraine — gestures largely edited out by the media — Zelenskyy publicly referred to President Vladimir Putin as a “terrorist” in front of international media, including Russian outlets.
Most media did not cover this. While emotionally understandable, this was a strategic error that risked inflaming tensions — not only between Ukraine and Russia but also potentially escalating a broader conflict involving NATO, its allies and the CRINK alliance of China, Russia, Iran and North Korea. Media coverage downplayed these risks, focusing instead on the inappropriate conduct of U.S. officials.’
Japan Times analysis
The U.S. behavior later in the talks, though seemingly lacking in respect and empathy, was likely infused with fear — fueled by the risks of World War III — and a calculated act of diplomatic distancing. Some suggest a planned gang-up by U.S. officials; however, not having those insights, I must note it was a brutal display of diplomacy.
Here is the link to the Japan Times article:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2025/03/05/world/the-oval-office-blowup
Alyson
That quote ” To start, there is no doubt: Ukraine is the victim and Russia has been the aggressor, violating international laws and human rights” is quite controversial on this forum.
Do you agree with it?
This sort of statement is a formulaic shorthand propagandistic way of reducing a complex situation to win an argument without discussion. It is naive to believe that this pseudo moralistic statement carries any intellectual weight.
The “ full scale unprovoked Russian invasion of Ukraine “ did not start in a vacuum and you know what happened in 2014 and even before then.
SA
What sort of statement are you referring to?
” To start, there is no doubt: Ukraine is the victim and Russia has been the aggressor, violating international laws and human rights”
No. It’s about as true as lie (by the same people!) that Saddam had WMDs, that Libya/Syria/Yemen were a threat to anyone, that genocide in Gaza is “self defence” by Isreich, that Serbia was fighting freedom fighters instead of fanatic terrorists mass murdering people and selling their organs, that current ISIS 2.0 extremists who captured Syria with western help are democratic pacifists, etc, etc.
It is only the “victim” if you ignore Donbass/Odessa genocide, when you ignore inhumane, nazi gloryfying aparheid it had, when you ignore destruction of 1000 years old church and replacement of it with regime backed, nazi praising cult, really, the only “crime” Russia did was not entering in 2014 to get rid of fascists, the other two Russian interventions that got rid of western fascists (in Georgia and during Kazakh west funded extremist uprising) were over in a week with minimum casualties…
Good Mr V
JK red
Depends on where you start the ‘ they started it ‘ child like nonsense that passes for analysis?
If not for Peter the Great etc etc…………
One thing seems certain and that is no matter who started it – it’s going to end as Big Powers are negotiating and Europe ( even with the help of France – I bet Putin’s shaking in his boots ) can not stop that from happening neither.
Starmer has been given an errand by his Big Uncle.
We (the US ) are backing away from Europe – we have spent enough on protecting it since 1945 and it is now for Europe to provide its OWN Security Guarantees not us.
It is Starmer’s job to sell that scenario to the rest of the EU.
Ironically his party voted for the Brexit Deal in Parliament and are not part of the EU anymore.
A Dishonest Broker?
And the irony is that once the US secures the Mineral/Land rights, the 800 billion Euros will be spent on protecting those newly gained US Assets.
At one point in history the EU Trade Negotiators were deemed to be the best in the business.
I have to assume that the older former negotiators have all retired.
Wrong Alyson , you fail even to mention that over the last few decades NATO has gradually surrounded Russia to a degree of about 75% , the plan is to prevent Russia accessing the mediterranean sea thats why Crimea where Russia has their main sea port is top of the EU and Ukraine list , Ukraine knew this all along but thought that with the help of USA and EU and UK they could bully Russia by siting NATO missiles or Russia,s border just 400 miles from Moscow.
Just imagine what USA would do if Cuba or Mexico agreed to allow Russia or China to put missiles on the coast of Cuba facing USA , oh , you dont need to , we already know what USA would do.
OR
Just imagine if Belgium allowed China to put missiles on the coast of Belgium facing London , what would UK do ?
Are you suggesting Alyson that the UK would not go to war with Belgium to stop them ?
US, Ukraine planning a meeting in Saudiarabia:
US-Ukraine meeting to take place in Saudi Arabia – Trump envoy
The sides will discuss a “peace framework” aimed at ending the conflict with Russia
https://swentr.site/news/613843-us-ukraine-meeting-peace-saudi/
I am surprised that Trump/US do not realize that these “meetings” are only delaying-tactics by Ukraine (or rather the EU) trying to win back the US with their usual pro-war rhetoric.
Speaking on the EU. Luckily not every EU member want to keep funding this war:
“EU fails to agree on Ukraine aid
Hungary has vetoed the bloc’s joint statement that would have seen Kiev receive €30 billion in aid by the end of the year”
https://swentr.site/news/613846-eu-fails-aid-ukraine/
Jack, re. financing the war. Today in our news an article by Kirill Strelnikov, I’ll translate in brief and highlite the points:
In 2022, European authorities announced the “freezing” of Russian financial assets in the amount of about $300 billion, which were mostly in the Euroclear financial depository.
European non-partners were clearly explained that the theft of Russian money will come back like a boomerang, because in the same Euroclear the money is not only ours: their owners will take a look and also demand an exit pass.
Trump has put the question of ending the military madness to Ukraine and Europe point-blank. He has begun to gradually cut off oxygen, money, intelligence, and supplies of weapons and ammunition.
But this has provoked the opposite reaction from the EU leadership: Ursula von der Leyen has announced an 800 billion euro plan to militarize Europe.
However, the Euro-schemers could have named not only 800 billion, but any figure at all, because there is simply no such money in Europe. In this regard, some daring minds have had the idea: let’s use the Russian money itself, and not just the interest on it. Why are we hanging around it? There it is, just reach out your hand.
The joy was slightly spoiled by the fact that Russia suddenly fell silent.
Yesterday, Euroradio announced the news: “China is preparing to withdraw trillions of dollars’ worth of securities from the European market.” The announcer, in a mundane, drone-like voice, said that China was planning to withdraw its assets from the Euroclear and Clearstream depositories and send them to a new international depository based on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange (HKEX) and the Central Money Market Clearing House (CMU), which would become an alternative to European financial structures. This decision “was a response to the growing geopolitical risks and the use of financial instruments as a political weapon.”
After the crackling and static, the announcer added that Saudi Arabia is also considering withdrawing its assets from Europe, having privately warned the G7 countries about the possible sale of part of its European bonds (up to 20 billion euros) if the West confiscates frozen Russian assets.
China, like Russia before, knows what is coming and is preparing. Sanctions and tarrifs from the orange one will only impact the USA, and EU, and speed its decline. It’s a mystery why America cannot see that this approach doesn’t work anymore. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result …
Tatyana , scraping the bottom of the barrel now , confiscating Russian money/assets that are in EU will not affect the war in any way , there,s EU money/assets in Russia too.Trump has his faults and schemes but stopping this war is the right thing to do and we all know that the only way yes the only way that will be done is for Ukraine be it under Zelensky or any other Ukrainian leader to sign an agreement saying that they will be a neutral power and will refrain from joining NATO.
More info on the alleged deal being worked on:
US Presses Ukraine for Quick Truce to Go With Minerals Deal
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-06/us-presses-ukraine-for-quick-ceasefire-to-go-with-minerals-deal?srnd=phx-politics
Strange choice of word, “presses”, since a ceasefire is what Zelensky/EU want so western troops could move in.
Our media, citing Fox News, write that Trump stopped military aid to Ukraine until Zelensky takes concrete steps demonstrating his commitment to peace. Like, setting a date for negotiations.
If this is true, then I see Trump’s logic clearly – demand peace and not give weapons.
This is what China was talking about at the very beginning of the conflict (that’s how I learned the names Wang Yi and Hua Chunying) – if you see two people fighting, you call on them to stop the conflict. You don’t give them weapons so that they can inflict more serious injuries on each other. Simple, eh? I wish every country behaved like this three years ago.
Tatyana
Hardly surprising that a citizen of Russia wishes that their victim (Ukraine) had been defenceless.
Like a rapist annoyed that his victim drew blood in her self-defence.
Shameful but not surprising.
John, don’t compare the Kiev regime to a victim, while it is a terrorist.
They hijacked a plane, chose Russian speakers from the passengers as hostages, gagged them and forced them to their knees, and rejected all peace talks. And they still reject them.
They decided to go to the end, even if it means death, and they are not concerned that the plane and everyone on it will die with them. Mindless fanatics.
I think that depriving them of intelligence and weapons is a good idea.
JK Redux
The war did not start 2022, it started in 2013/2014 and up until February 2022 some 1500 people had been killed in eastern Ukraine many more injured by ukrainan army attacks and neo-nazi gangs attack upon them. You know this.
This war-path was a definitive choice by the ukrainian regime, their nationalist coup made this war happen. Before the Maidan coup in 2013 there was no war with Russia, the regime brought it upon themselves. And i say that with no support for the Russian invasion – as I made clear on the day of the invasion right here on this blog- but facts are facts this was certainly no unprovoked invasion by Russia.
Jack, he knows this all. Said, discussed and proved many times. He simply posts as if he doesn’t know, but he knows.
Tatyana
I’m not surprised that you welcome the disarming of your country’s enemy.
TBF Russians have little choice than to support Putin’s war despite the hundreds of thousands of young Russian men sacrificed for his ambition.
Enjoy the Glory Days while you can.
After hubris comes nemesis as it did for the Hitler regime.
JK Redux , You are wrong , Ukraine is not a victim , Ukraine picked a fight with Russia in saying it would join NATO thus allowing USA and other countries to site missiles even nuclear missiles on Russia,s border just 400 miles from Moscow, when you threaten people with missiles even nuclear missiles they will come for you before you install them.
Just like USA did all those years ago with Cuba.
Just like UK would do if for example Belgium decided to allow China to put missiles on the coast of Belgium facing London ?
Trump has no interest in establishing a lasting and just peace in Ukraine that goes beyond getting access to its mineral reserves. He’s trying to bully and browbeat Zelenskyy into signing these away and not offering anything in return. All he’s interested in is money.
China might not have supplied weapons to either side but it has continued to buy (heavily discounted) oil and gas from Russia thus funding its war machine and supplied parts and machine tools; 70% of the machine tools and 90% of the microelectronics Russia imports come from China.
Oh and the ban on supplying US intelligence to Ukraine also includes early warning of Russian air attacks. Trump already has blood on his hands.
Pears Morgaine
how much blood compared to the Sensible Moderates — Biden, Scholz, Starmer, Von der Leyen, Macron, Trudeau et al, aka, “the grown-ups”, “the good guys”…?
Whataboutery.
Trump has already badly stained his digits in Gaza of course. Not forgetting that.
It’s not going to be long before the puppetmasters cut Zelelenski’s strings.
He is comprehensively and irrevocably losing UKUSA-NATO’s war against Russia.
Americans don’t like losers. They’ll dump him.
Right now, I’m sure there’s a major bunfight in Foggy Bottom as to who his ensuing puppet will be.
I reckon that they’ll pick a Uke General who has some military Staff College background training and military command experience.
Zaluzhni?
Zaluzhny has already managed to croak a few words about Trump and against Trump’s peace efforts. Perhaps, not very keen on taking on the leadership.
I’m much more interested in how Zelensky plans to conduct negotiations if he himself has legislatively banned them? I remember very well that bravado video where he demonstratively signed documents on camera.
Yes, Zaluzhny blasted Trump just yesterday and past days there were reports that Trump team held discussions with Yulia Tymoshenko and Petro Poroshenko but these are not really oppositional figures to begin with.
The problem is that Ukraine do not really have any real oppositon, they have banned most of these parties and one wonder if anyone have the guts to stand up to Zelensky anyway, as a person close to Zelensky wrote the other week:
“Former Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces Valerii Zaluzhnyi – the most formidable potential challenger – was abruptly dismissed last year and reassigned to a diplomatic post. Insiders report that criminal cases have already been prepared against Zaluzhnyi, should he dare to enter politics”.
https://archive.ph/C2zV7#selection-1790.0-1790.1
Yulia Tymoshenko and Petro Poroshenko are the recognised leaders of opposition in Ukraine’s parliament. Why else would Trump be talking to them?
Although how would you react if he approached Kemi Badenoch with a view to undermining our PM? However much you may not like him such interference is really not acceptable.
Pears Morgaine
There is nothing “oppositonal” about them (please name me 3 greater differences between Poroshenko, Tymoshenko compared with Zelensky), they are at best a controlled opposition within the Zelensky regime.
Western powers like the US, UK etc intefere in every other state and have, for decades, is this news to you?
There’s nothing much oppositional between any Badenoch or Starmer either. Except for maybe Starmer is the even darker force.
Today the warmongers cheer:
Trump contemplate sanctions on Russia I believe in part to appease the warmongers that he is not soft on Russia.
Based on the fact that Russia is absolutely “pounding” Ukraine on the battlefield right now, I am strongly considering large scale Banking Sanctions, Sanctions, and Tariffs on Russia until a Cease Fire and FINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ON PEACE IS REACHED. To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114121576367163341
The warmongers that paint Trump as a russian stooge must explain why Trump imposed sanctions on Russia under his first term and even approved weapons going to Ukraine.
Tariffs are all Trump has in his locker. The US imported $4.9 bn worth of goods from Russia in 2023, 1% of Russia’s total exports. In return the US exported just $0.6 bn to Russia. Yes tariffs are going to hurt…
In the meantime Trump worsens the effect of said ‘pounding’ by inhibiting Ukraine’s ability to defend itself.
Pears M
Yep, Trump is a miserable lying shit.
Bought and paid for long ago.
It’s a pity that the US didn’t give weapons and intelligence to Russia, as it did for Ukraine.
Now Trump would take it from both sides, then all his critics would be happy that it’s fair now, right? Impartiality, equal treatment of both sides, and so on.
Well, since he didn’t give anything to Russia, it’s logical that he can’t stop the supplies. All he has left in his pocket are sanctions. And again, someone is unhappy.
Tatyana
It is so stupid too fro, US perspective, the more sanctions > the more support for Putin amongst Russians > the more support for the war, the less chance of grand reset between US/Russia.
I remember Scholz saying (or rather crying) early on into the war:
“Something bothers me more than the talks: [Putin] doesn’t complain about the sanctions at all. I don’t know if he did that in conversation with you, but he didn’t even mention the sanctions,” he remarked.
https://swentr.site/news/582022-putin-scholz-macron-ukraine/
These people live in their own world, believing their own lies about how hurtful their sanctions are.
Jack, we are very much concerned about sanctions. We, ordinary people, I mean, those who survived the 90s in Russia. Also we care very much about rich people in Russia. What if they will lose part of their money? How do they survive?
Also, we are proud we were the World’s Leader country in Sanctions Championship by March 2022, and people say we still are, having 15,628 sanctions in our package for packages of sanctions.
pssst, Jack, please, don’t say that sanctions don’t work
Sanctions work? In what way? The sanctions, from the western standpoint, are meant to hurt the russian leadership and make the situation so unbearable for the russian population that they are going to rise up against Putin. This has not happened just because these acts rather unify a population against a foreign threat. Cuba, Iran are other prime examples.
It’s a pity that we don’t have a linguistics thread on the forum. It would be very useful to ask for help in translating some idioms or figurative expressions.
On the issue of sanctions: yesterday I came across a video where a person described how things are.
He named the number of sanctions as about 19 000 already. He described the list as nowhere to spit on and I don’t know how to translate it.
This is a figurative expression, meaning that something is so tightly filled that there is no empty land to spit on.
He said that there’s complete chaos there, for example, sanctions were imposed on him twice, and on another person four times.
And here is another figurative expression with a plangent howl – the sound of a flying heavy bullet, or, a sound of a beast in the forest. It was used in the sense that the Europeans would like to fire off another package of sanctions, with a plangent howl, but there is simply nothing left that is not sanctioned.
In regards to the ongoing responses to Trump’s policies, reaction of Europe, I came across the expression cat concert, which describes the cries of cats in March when they compete with each other.
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For those worried about the bleeding victim, the drone alert in my area was lifted just this morning. About 30 were shot down this night. I heard one very clearly passing close to my house yesterday evening. The flyovers and explosions have become part of the routine.
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Oh! And Happy Womans Day to everyone!
Tatyana
Thon’s a cracker but don’t give up the day job….
Pear Morgaine
I’m not sure you understand how Imperialists work?
The US is the Don of Dons in the Imperialism Business so I’m surprised that you’re
surprised that Trump ( or any other US Leader ) is a complete bastard ( pardon me French).
What we have in front of us all is a group of declined Imperialists ( France – UK say ) thinking
they can take on a wounded but still very dangerous Ultra Imperialist.
This is the European delusion.
Of course they still derive income and profit from past Colonial adventures but the US economy
is much bigger at least than the mentioned pair above and perhaps the whole of Europe.
Also they could ( like Russia ) ‘ Take Out ‘ Europe in minutes with Nukes – so for myself it’s no contest.
Everyone needs to recognise what the world is dealing with here and that is:
When Empires decline they throw their weight about more heavily than they used to do.
That is why Soft Power has given way to Hard Power in the guise of Trump and the current stance of the US over its minions.
Ukraine and Europe are viewed as minions.
All are expected to bow to the Mighty US and we are seeing that in action right in front of our eyes.
Big problem though:
China and Russia are not minions (particularly China) and in the world of Hegemony across the globe these Reds are a big spanner in the works and as I keep telling anyone who cares to listen – defeating China is THE most important aim of the US.
China is THE great threat to America restoring its Greatness again.
Beat them and the world is automatically beaten and then The Don of Dons can carry on terrorising the world neighbourhood even more than they did before.
That’s the plan.
How it will go – no idea but the US has its plans and the other Big Players have theirs.
If anyone’s plan is to provoke Nuclear War globally – that’s not a plan – that is suicide for all.
Mark Cutts
In the unlikely event that the US was mad enough to “Take Out Europe in minutes with nukes” why wouldn’t France take out a lot of US cities? They have enough nukes to make the US wish that they hadn’t destroyed France and at that stage nothing to lose.
British nukes are supposedly under US control but who nose (sic).
JK Redux
I said the West was deluded and I was right.
You represent a perfect example of that delusion.
France and Europe would be finished in minutes.
Of course they could fire back.
But ( and this is where we all came in ) the US has bases in Europe and the idea of creeping closer to Russia was to get the jump on Russia in a First Strike.
You think France has a better chance of survival than Russia on that basis?
We could get into a bout of My dad’s bigger than your Dad if you want but that would be childish.
Macron is a poser and will remain so.
Then again he is not alone in his delusions too.
p.s. I will advise all concerned that Russia sometime ago blew up one of its own satellites in Space from the Earth..
The Land Sea and Space part of The New American Century Document form the USA (read it as much of the current actions reflect this theory) was missing one major part.
Space.
In the future it will be missing no longer as an act of War and The Chinese and Russians know this
France has satellites and if it gets serious ( it won’t – this really is a pompous bluff from Macron) wave goodbye to your satellites anyone who gets involved.
Destroyed by Russia? – no – the US.
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You seem to believe that Trump has a plan. He has an objective to enrich himself but I’m not sure there’s any coherent plan behind it.
Pears Morgaine
You are under an illusion that Trump is in charge.
This is the US we are talking about here.
The Ultra Dominant Imperialist nation.
If Trump got Third Time Unlucky do you seriously think all this would stop if he keeled over?
Please read what I said about Imperialism as a whole not just the best country ( and most greedy) at the game.
The US is declining.
The wiser people ( not Trump ) have worked out a plan to slow down or even to try and reverse the US’s decline.
That is why it is imperative to get rid of China and the BRICS.
Russia is a pain and at the moment an obstacle to attacking China – the US is over stretched on the Military front.
Add to that the chaos and death in the Middle East and in the Ukraine as well as Russia it is a tall order for the US to police everywhere.
The only way America can become great again is to park an enemy up for now ( Russia) get someone else to pay for NATO ( Europe) and see if they can stamp on any counter actions in The Middle East.
Creating some Imperialist breathing space I would call it.
Definitely not Trump’s ideas – much more clever and devious people’s ideas.
Then again Biden’s ideas went well though didn’t they?
Cheered on by the Liberals in the Western Halls of Power and the MSM.
Let’s move NATO closer to the US as Putin’s bluffing.
When their call was made – he wasn’t.
XI and China aren’t bluffing neither but still the US wants to try and call it.
I don’t blame Zelensky for this mess – I blame the Liberals in The West.
They were the writers of the play – Zelensky is an actor by profession and in Office.
He should ask that the script be re-written.
Europe have really gone bonkers, during the first term US authorities investigated (Mueller report) if Trump had any dubious connections to Russia. Nothing was found. Still, today in 2025, the same hysteria and conspiratorial way of thinking in Europe is alive more than ever
Macron Media France24:Was Donald Trump recruited by the KGB under codename Krasnov?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYI4EoAPq4U
And all this brouhaha for exactly what? Only because Trump do not want war. It is like being pro-peace is the most controversial one can be.
Wit this twisted logic every leaders in te EU are agents of Ukraine since they all do what Ukraine want.
sorry I missed my chance to correct the obvious typos.
Western ‘Europe’ can never protect itself from itself.
Tyranny was invented here and spread to the colonies of which the USA is the repository of the shapeshifters imperialism, using fake European nation states and peoples, leaving behind husks in need of enforced migration to maintain future population demographic stability. Which also is used as dog whistle xenophobia to further that tyranny.
Aristotle: “The tyrant keeps his people poor, who will be so occupied with their daily tasks that they have no time for rebellion.”
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‘Tiberius
@ecomarxi
Mar 5
Defunding social welfare programmes to fund warfare is in itself a form of warfare — class warfare. As the ruling class do this, they declare war on us all. We should act accordingly. General strikes, direct action, bring the country to its knees.
Mar 5, 2025 · 1:39 PM UTC ‘
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The tyrants have failed again in their greatest desire – ownership of the whole of EurAsia!
They have failed again to ‘take Russia’.
The yanks are getting out not because they have come to their senses under Drumpff, but because they have got burnt fingers – and are tossing the 🔥 potato into their satrap eurocrats hands – let them own the failure!
These idiot Eurocrats are driven to another folly, of petty Napoleons, petty Hitlers and the pettyest- perfidious Albion, jingoism under the Great Knight Dope – Brave Sir Kyir Starmztrooper , who was chosen to be the newblairite warmonger hawk to follow the Tories and Liberals.
He has gone from wearing his war uniform to being caricatured as Churchill on the front page of the shapeshifter Church’s magazine ‘The Economist’.
Yup they have gone from tragedy to farce.
The only future for WEST ASIA is with the ancient civilsational majority of Humanity mostly originating in a EurAsia we are an extremity of.
Let the old imperial shapeshifters ‘go west across the ocean, like mythical elfin kings and queens’ into their Great Purdah, pretend to rebuild some industry to live by; as they rule in that continent across and between the oceans where they can live as ‘living gods’, with their captured Golden Billion slaves with their mental chains of superiority over the world.
This is the beginning of that Great Rift between the old Anglo European imperialism, its willing colonial settlements and the majority of Humanity.
Trump is only heralding in the begining of that – it is the cleaving that will bring down the new ‘iron curtain’ for the next 50 years at most.
The Old Imperium moves its power base wholly into North American continent and abandons its ancient Holy Roman Empire and its failure to directly own EurAsia from oceans to oceans. It is taking all the peoples, diversity and rescued industry that it needs from its vassals as it retreats.
And burning down the rest – al a Atlanta as the Confederacy retreated – by directing its satraps to go openly ‘hot’ against the RF. There is a purpose to that too!
To prepare future generations, who can be shown the millions of graves – which has always been the main aim of ‘to the last Ukrainian’; dragging people off the streets to send them directly to these burgeoning graveyards, so neatly and widely laid out, that they are visible from space and will be the basis of that Never Ending Russophobia.
With our future generations living the Dream Lives made for them by the Tyranny- being over worked, never owning anything, happy slaves! The dream of a great Walled Garden left behind in Tatters!! Pottatters I tell you!
Oleksy Arestovych is probably not very popular in Russia and now also in Ukraine. But this interview in UnHerd is worth reading because it is very insightful in places.
https://unherd.com/2024/01/oleksiy-arestovych-zelenskyys-challenger/
He describes how a deal between Russia and Ukraine was nearly reached in April 2o22 as he was involved in the negotiations. He claims that the deal was called off at the last moment by Zelensky but that Johnson was not the main reason for this. He does not know what the reason is.
He describes how Putin turned the conflict with Ukraine to include the wider issue of Western hegemony and explained that this was done in 4 steps:
“First of all, he managed to change the frame of this war from a Russian-Ukrainian war into a war between the global South and the global West. We can see how Brics organisations have multiplied since and Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Iran and other countries are coming together into a so-called “anti-Western bloc”. This changes the frame and gives them diplomatic and political abilities they didn’t have at the beginning of the war, when the whole world condemned this invasion.
Second, Putin managed to avoid a lot of the sanctions because of this change in frame, which has, thirdly, enabled him to multiply the production of his military industry. We used to speak about how Russia would have insufficient means to produce the cruise missiles which they use to strike Ukraine, but they have since managed to produce them. They have a system of avoiding sanctions which works very well.
The fourth strategic decision was to motivate the Russian people to get involved in the war. Fourteen thousand Russian recruits arrive every month to the recruiting centres and Putin now doesn’t need conscription. This is completely different from the Ukrainian situation. We are trying to recruit half a million personnel, but we face serious problems in terms of motivation.”
He also describes Zelensky’s mistake on focusing on emotional issues and not exploring the benefit to US from the outset, something that is happening now rather belatedly
“For me, one of the main mistakes of President Zelenskyy was to appeal to the West using an emotional argument. We will have to change this policy. We have to place a calculator between us and the collective West and start to think: what are the real profit calculations? For the United States, it’s mostly the titanium industry and lithium industry, which they were very interested in within Ukraine, but I see nothing of that. ”
Another insightful observation he makes is the following, which goes much beyond Ukraine and appeals to the global south:
“Yes, it’s coming to an end. The world is much more various than standard. And what is the main tension from the Global South to the global West? You can’t standardise us, we are completely different from you. We are asking for the right to be different. Some traditions are not for us, and we are ready to go to war even, ready to fight with you to have the right to be different.”
Another insightful comment is the following:
“My main idea is that Ukraine could still find itself. The main question is what we’re living and dying for. And Ukraine, as a society and a culture, has a huge number of answers to this question. We are completely different. The main problem of Ukraine is that some politicians starting in 1991 to transform Ukraine from a poly-cultural and poly-national state, into a more mono-ethnic and mono-cultural country, like most of European countries like Poland. But it means the loss of territory that is completely different — Russian speaking territory, for example, in the East of Ukraine and the South of Ukraine. And a lot of Ukrainians, these 4.5 million Ukrainians who didn’t want to be recruited by the state, they didn’t want to be recruited for this political idea. This was not a problem of social contract, about good pensions for retired military security or anything, it is question of the future of Ukraine. I think a lot of Ukrainians do not be want to be part of a project of a mononation.”.
All in all a very interesting interview which is worth reading for those interested in the Ukraine conflict and with a different perspective.
Thanks, one wonder if was Arestovych that wrote that piece (under a made up moniker) in the Spectator the other week considering that Unherd/Freddie Sayers is the publisher at Spectator.
Arestovich is a very interesting person. I’ll tell you a little personal observation.
At the very beginning of the war, I was watching opinions from different sides of the conflict and Arestovich caught my attention.
I admit that I often judge people by their faces and especially by the expression in their eyes. Like the first emotional impression, an instant snapshot of a person, if you will, assigning a person to a certain category in order to understand at what level further communication will proceed. There’s a special type that is difficult for me to put into words, but I define as “mine” or maybe “of my level”. This applies to a greater extent to education, intelligence, worldview and the ability to think logically.
I looked at him on the screen and didn’t understand how a person of “my type” could be on the “other side”. I was perplexed until I came across his video in which he addressed Ukrainian soldiers about the videos of torture of Russians that had spread. There, Arestovich called not to stop the torture, but NOT TO FILM IT ON VIDEO, so as not to spoil the image of warriors of light in the eyes of European partners. I swear he used the exact expression Warriors of Light.
That was the moment when I stopped watching Arestovich’s opinions and crossed him out of “my type of a mind” list. This man will tell a lie where it is advantageous to him, and he will hide the truth if it harms him.
Yet I see he started saying that building a mono-ethnic state was probably a mistake. Ok, let’s wait. Maybe he will also say why so many ethnic Russians live within the borders that are now called Ukraine? Maybe he will honestly admit that Russia gave up part of its lands to form the Ukrainian Republic so that the fraternal people would finally have their own state? And maybe he will admit that the entire anti-Russian Ukrainian policy is a terrible betrayal and black ingratitude?
Tatyana
What you say is very fascinating and useful to know. It seems that Arestovych is a very skilful manipulator. I have detected a slight internal contradiction in how he began the interview and the later part but thought he might be genuine.
However what he says here has a lot of truth.
Not just a manipulator, but a professional manipulator. He was an actor, played on the theatre stage and had roles on TV. He studied at a military academy and has a diploma in translation. He also received an education in theology at some esoteric school and later organized courses in psychology, public speaking and acting. I tell you, he’s got wide worldvew, diverse background and is very interesting person, professional speaker.
As to manipulation, he may or may not use it, frankly, I don’t care. For me his attitude towards lies is quite enough to not bother myself of his opinions.
Anyway, it’s useful to know what is discussed in Ukraine, so thanks for bringing it here, SA.
Tatyana
Maybe you will admit that Putin’s entire anti-Ukrainian policy – in particular Russia’s most recent invasion of Ukraine – is a terrible betrayal and black ingratitude?
I have no problem navigating the timeline and building simple logical connections like “cause and effect”, unlike you.
Tatyana
That’s a yes, then?
The mental life of the inhabitants of the Russkiy Mir is very different to that of the rational Zapad….
Interesting segment from the interview, the nationalists are a small minority Arestovych say but are nontheless sucessful in dividing Ukraine, this is how I read the situation too:
OA: Ukrainian nationalism is the idea of less than 20% of Ukrainians. This is the problem.
FS: What about the remaining 80%?
OA: I think for most of them, their idea is of a multinational and poly-cultural country. And when Zelenskyy came into power in 2019, they voted for this idea. He did not articulate it specifically but it was what he meant when he said, “I don’t see a difference in the Ukrainian-Russian language conflict, we are all Ukrainians even if we speak different languages.” And you know, my great criticism of what has happened in Ukraine over the last year, during the emotional trauma of the war, is this idea of Ukrainian nationalism which has divided Ukraine into different people: the Ukrainian speakers and Russian speakers as a second class of people. It’s the main dangerous idea and a worse danger than Russian military aggression, because nobody from this 80% of people wants to die for a system in which they are people of a second class
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Here is an interesting video (probably from around 2019) with Zelensky on the topic, trying to reach out to russophones/ethnic russians inside of Ukraine, one could question how honest he really was with this stance though:
A tough clip for the “Slava Ukraini” total war addicts to watch. Before becoming President, #Zelensky tells us that #Ukraine and #Russia are “Brotherly Nations” that “We have the same Blood” and “let them speak Russian”
Video: https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1602976000878460929
The Russians are wondering why millions of their Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers gave their lives to save Europe from the Nazis.
There is renewed appreciation for the words of the great Marshall Zhukov:
“We have liberated Europe from Fascism, but they will never forgive us for it.”
Sarge
You do realise that
A) the USSR was formed (usually unwillingly) from many nations; Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, …?
B) if Stalin had not decimated the Soviet officer corps, many fewer Red Army men would have been killed by the Nazi Wehrmacht?
Not only the Russians, Sarge.
Many Brits, Americans, Canadians, Australians, Indians, etc. etc. gave their lives to supposedly defend democracy and defeat nazism. The cream of our nations. And many also died on the Russian convoys helping our friends against the nazis.
What a waste. Here we are barely 75 years later with our governments supporting nazis in Ukraine and Israel. Some of us won’t forget or forgive the traitors in our midst.
Ukraine has reconsidered its attitude towards Nazism.
Now they are destroying monuments to the Red Army and honoring Bandera as a national hero. They named a square in his honor, erected a monument and say that this man fought for Ukraine.
Such, you know, a beautiful generalized phrase, behind which are hidden joining Hitler, killing Poles, exterminating Jews, not to mention the war against the Red Army.
Tatyana
Yeah just the other day I read that the Ukrainian government, not some fringe small Ukrainian group, the Ukrainian government on their official Instagram hailed Ulas Samchuk a person that collaborated with the Nazis and hailed the Babi Yar attack on the Jews
https://www.instagram.com/mfa_ukraine/p/DGTY4gaNIfJ/?img_index=1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulas_Samchuk
And yesterday Ukrainians celebrated another Nazi-collaborator Roman Shukhevich
https://swentr.site/russia/613897-ukrainian-nationalists-commemorate-nazi-collaborator/
It is almost farcical considering how much the western media/politicians speak out against nazism and speak out against antisemitism but when it comes to Ukraine this question is to be ignored. There are no other nation that engage in this heinous rehabilitation of extreme, far right, neo-nazi views.
And of course nothing of this is reported in the western media, the same western media that keep ridiculing Russian claims of Nazism in Ukraine. What a mess.
The West has its own narrative about the Second World War. In a nutshell, Hitler is bad because his regime was totalitarian, not democratic, and he spread it to all the conquered European countries. The second bad thing is that he exterminated the Jews. This is probably where the bad side in Nazism ends in the minds of Europeans.
In Russia, the attitude is different. Hitler wanted to exterminate the Russians. He considered Russians, and Slavs in general, to be half-breeds, subhumans. Although white in appearance, Russians mixed their genes with Asians and cannot be classified as Aryans, and also Jewish Bolsheviks rule the USSR.
All this Hitlerite propaganda was spoken without slightest embarrassment by a creature who was the spokesman for the Ukrainian army.
This same narrative is repeated by modern Ukraine, calling themselves Europeans, and opposing themselves to the Russians. Europe applauds this.
Above there’s a link to an interview with Arestovich, he was the main Ukrainian propagandist.
He cannot say openly that Hitler was right. This is unacceptable.
But he repeats the points of the same Hitlerite propaganda in other words: the government in Russia is bad; the people in Russia are subordinated and intimidated, have mentality of slaves; Russia ia a backward nation; they are friends with other subhumans (he mentions China and Africa).
In his mind Ukraine has a democratic government, freedom-loving people and does not make friends with all sorts of Russians, Asians, blacks and communists, but is friends with the superior white European race.
These are the meanings I read with my own eyes, and I’m not surprised that the interviewer is completely satisfied.
“And of course nothing of this is reported in the western media, the same western media that keep ridiculing Russian claims of Nazism in Ukraine.”
“They may be Nazis/terrorists/genocidal maniacs/religious nutters*, but they are our Nazis/terrorists/genocidal maniacs/religious nutters*.
*delete as applicable
“The West has its own narrative about the Second World War.”
If you read A.J.P.Taylor’s “The Origins of the Second World War”, you will see that the Western narrative about the war was largely concocted after the war when the West was desperate to cosy up to the Germans again against Russia. It is also obvious from that book that Britain sympathised with the Germans desire to regain the land that had been stripped away from them in 1919 and only declared war on Germany because the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact meant that there was no longer any hope of Hitler doing what Britain wanted him to do and attack Russia.
Is it not strange how George W Bush did have a great relationship with Putin without anyone accusing Bush being “Putin’s puppet”?
BBC 2001: Bush and Putin: Best of friends
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1392791.stm
Or Obama, that sought just like Trump to do a “reset” with Russia.
2009: Obama praises Russia’s Putin before beluga breakfast
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-politics/obama-praises-russias-putin-before-beluga-breakfast-idUSTRE56657Q/
Now, compare these events with the situation of today where peace, mending of ties, de-escalation, good dipmoatic, normal relations etc are considered the biggest threat to mankind according to the western elite. Where does this radicalism come from?
Where did it come from ? Primarily from the liberal left in the USA who supported minority viewpoints to the detriment of the majority. It’s mostly happened in the last five years (C) where the normal societal defences were breeched by the state and the billionaires, enabled by the military and security forces. None of this was accidental and there won’t be a return to normality in the near future. The likes of Gates, Bezos, Musk have grabbed control they won’t be giving it back voluntarily.
I agree, people in the mainstream labour/socialist/left have ditched their anti-war views after Labour, Socialdemocrats, Greens, Leftist themselves become pro-war parties:
2013: “What Happened to the Anti-War Movement? The short answer: partisanship.”
“That’s the conclusion that emerges from a recent study by professors at the University of Michigan and Indiana University. Evaluating surveys of more than 5,300 anti-war protestors from 2007 to 2009, the researchers discovered that the many protestors who self-identified as Democrats “withdrew from anti-war protests when the Democratic Party achieved electoral success” in the 2008 presidential election.”
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“The researchers thus conclude that during the Bush years, many Democrats were not necessarily motivated to participate in the anti-war movement because they oppose militarism and war — they were instead “motivated to participate by anti-Republican sentiments.”
https://inthesetimes.com/article/what-happened-to-the-anti-war-movement
Stevie Boy
It comes from slavishly letting the US run Europe and even worse allowing the EU policies to be a back up ( without a word) to the NATO (US) project of creeping closer to Moscow and believing that the Russians were bluffing with their many warnings not to come closer.
Now the proverbial has hit the fan, the more experienced EU politicians are not exactly coming out with statements like:
‘ We were telling them not to do this as it’s going to come back on Europe and bite us on the arse in the future. ‘
The reaction to all this is telling.
No – one in the EU and the MSM is doing a Mea Culpa.
Entirely the opposite – they are not prepared to say that they and Biden et al made a terrible mistake and that the only way to solve the problem on the European doorstep is to get a ceasefire ( a good start – stops the bloodshed)
and then some serious negotiating need to be done.
But until – like a naughty child they recognise the reality ( never mind the great mistake) of what they have done the EU will bungle on trying to right what they see as a wrong without Article 5 support from the US.
It won’t work anyway but, in order to not to admit their stupidity some seem quite prepared to not only fight to the last Ukranian but the last European too.
With the caveat that they personally will not be doing any fighting ( discoveries of flat fleet?) and because they have a lot of money they can send their kids (ironically ) out of the way to the US.
By the way this is not dissimilar to the exodus of the well off out of Ukraine once the war started.
Only the old and skint couldn’t get out of the way.
The old story of War.
Anywhere in the world
The public are generally fed lies about everything.
Giving Trump a second State visit and then letting Zelenski meet KK3 first…
Kaiama.
Do you think that it was wrong to allow Zelensky to meet KC3?
I doubt if KC3 behaved as badly as Trump and Shady Vance!
Yada yada – Nazis/Zionazis/head choppers owned and run by our military elites, spot the difference.
‘ DD Geopolitics
@DD_Geopolitics
8h
🇸🇾🇺🇦 Jihadists and Ukrainian Nationalists: A Dark Alliance
The man boasting about slaughtering 9,000 Alawites is wearing a sweatshirt with the Ukrainian trident (tryzub)—a symbol used by Ukrainian nationalist forces, including neo-Nazi battalions like Azov and Right Sector.
How does a Syrian jihadist end up wearing what appears to be a military-issue Ukrainian trident shirt?
This isn’t an accident—the alliance between Ukrainian ultra-nationalists and jihadist groups goes deeper than many realize.
— Ukraine has long been a hub for foreign extremists, with Chechen militants, ISIS fighters, and even HTS-aligned groups having links to the battlefield in Donbass.
— The Ukrainian war effort has openly recruited far-right, Salafi, and Islamist mercenaries.
— Western arms, intelligence, and funding flow into both theaters of war, empowering these forces.
Whether he fought in Ukraine, received support from Ukrainian networks, or is simply a fan of their nationalist ideology, one thing is clear—these two evils find common ground in their hatred for Russia and for those they deem their ideological enemies.
Why is no one talking about this?
Mar 10, 2025 · 1:28 AM UTC ‘
The turds who support the ukropian proxy war of annihilation of Russian speaking ukropians at the hands of their brothers, also support the ziofascist illegal apartheid entity’s fake foundational contract from over a hundred years ago and it’s imperialist occupation and expansion into The Levant to this day. No surprise they are the same old Anglo European conquistador colonialists whose nations are owned and run for the benefit of the privateers that set them up through all that history.
The failure to take Russia again this century echoes every such failure every century.
The only good outcome from our constant attempts is all the Good Nazis that were ‘created’ in those attempts.
Shame the ones hiding thousands of miles away escaped the same ‘beatification’ and have spawned yet another generation of posh boy and girl tossers; and their yes sir no sir three bags full sir, barrack town lackeys, plying propaganda as their only wunderwaffen.
The idiots on the fronts always end up in some suicidal charge into the canons… as if they believe they are immune from death! Or the Glory of such a suicide is in some way valourous.
Ps you can stop trying to spot the difference – that was a trick question
Let’s Just remember there were plenty of ‘good Nazis at the end of ww2 thanks to the Red Army. Ura!
DunGroanin
You are aware that the Putin regime counts the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea as close allies? The former for (?) drone tech.
And that it relies on the latter fine people’s democracy for plugging the gaps in its infantry caused by the despicable ‘defence’ of Ukraine by the neo Satanist UA? /sarc
Seems a bit thick to criticise Ukraine… But tankies gotta tank I suppose.
Good job you got here fast eh!
I am aware that the Russian Federation has many millions of Muslims and other religions. As they do with many islamics countries. And from many other religions, including India. Along with many other nations including these who are neighbours in EurAsia.
Your point being what?
You saying just Iran and Korea are close?
Plenty lining up to join hem as BRICS+ none for G7.
Haven’t seen any evidence by Red Cross or any independent third parties about North Koreans or Iranians in Ukraine.
Got any proof?
I have seen plenty of evidence of western forces as mercenaries or advisors or whatever there though. Often from their own own selfies! Playing at being good Nazis, with their banderist mates and sieg slavaing , tattoos and flags…
Any way many have joined the ranks of the good nazsties at the hands of professionals who have it in their genetics at dealing with such scum of humanity.
Seems a bit thick to say I’m criticising Ukraine… I’m actually criticising our tosser establishment classes and their willing grunts who are the yes sir, no sir scoundrels doing the dirty work.
Some of them from the dumb tank regiments who probably had relatives being idiots charging the Russian canons in Crimea and still can’t get over it! As you say … tankies gotta wank I suppose.
” Russian canons in Crimea ”
Were they Catholic or Orthodox?
Plenty of evidence of NK troops fighting around the Kursk region and are you denying that Iran supplies Russia with Shahed drones, one of a series of ‘unstoppable wonder weapons’ that were going to win the war for Russia in an afternoon?
Pears
Stating”Plenty of evidence…” is no evidence at all. What I have seen is a coordinated effort from South Korea and Ukraine of allegations and no concrete proof..
And Iran supplying drones to Russia is no big deal. Russia supplies S 400 to Turkey a member of NATO and we supply arms to anyone who buys them. The arms industry has never been one to worry about ethics.
Ah the tweedle dum tag team partner of dee.. do you share a bunk?
Always ready to shutdown or derail or demand censorship.
You are not alone! As I observe across numerous sites.
It seems the Baldrics of the 77th/ii/ios elite posh boys playing their Great Game are out selling the latest narratives for these cunning Blackadders – the Russophobia has driven some as mad as hatters or crazed Professors now.
Most are so deep they don’t even think to stop digging – shame really.
Anyhoo ‘lads’! you both appear to have a couple of bees in your underpants, about ‘drones’ and Deadly North Koreans!
Like the hundreds launched towards Moscow last night, most intercepted? Looks like one report of a hit on some residential property maybe others will come through.
Yup that’ll show ‘curse you pooooootin! ‘
Though it’s surprising that whoever launched them hasn’t yet claimed their success? Was it the cia candidate ‘psycho’ Budanov? or the SAS/mi6 men of the other Z, the General they could not kill!
The man being trained at the Court of StJames into being a suited western politician unlike the never soldier Shelensky, who revels in his daily performance costume!
It helps with his method acting you know Dahling!
Maybe they are afraid what Drumpff might do to them?
If they are trying to disrupt the talks in Saudi; or are they demanding a seat at that by being ‘relevant’?
Or are they just trying to divert from the great success of yet another underground pipe infiltration and loss ahead of schedule of Kursk?
Surprised you haven’t claimed it was the miniature starved North Koreans who were squeezed down that tube!
That seems more like it – a cunning plan worthy of our dimwit aristo military classes M’s and Q’s playing at being killer super spies.
They should stick with you chaps – here on the ‘home front’ – you do a valuable and successful job.
Thousands of Natzios and ukropians sacrificed.
Some of our toff special force mercs too no doubt.
Hundreds of drones wasted and oh look… even manage to have a ship load of jet fuel struck mid ships by a ship travelling in a straight line! That’s some weird shit ain’t it??
The incompetence of our establishment and their ‘petty’ officers is daily more absurd – a whole regiment of Baldricks. There should be hell to pay.
” Iran supplying drones to Russia is no big deal. ”
So presumably you feel the same way about the US and Europe supplying arms to Ukraine? Or is that “warmongering nations feeding an unnecessary proxy war.”?
” Always ready to shutdown or derail or demand censorship. ”
When have I ever done that?
” Like the hundreds (of drones) launched towards Moscow last night, ”
Bullies don’t like it when their victim hits back. I’ve noticed that.
Especially the British bulldog bullies through the centuries – they not only do t like it they always like a retaliation, against unarmed civilians, especially women and children – whether it’s colonised natives of the subcontinent, Malay, Kenya or Eire with the psycho paratroopers even here in Blighty itself. Or as we are seeing with their headchopper mercenaries in Syria.
Especially the ‘chosen’ special forces bullies, the praetorians of the Arab satraps, playing as chieftains in the sands – like their hero and pinup Lawrence! Now begging themselves up with a fictional TeeVee recruitment drive – must have lost a few in the ukropian debacle.
Secret cowardly sexual deviants every single one – who like to ‘pound sand’ or like their Arab tribal chieftains – boys and sheep and camels!
Just like the S+M loving naval rum and buggery senior service who are larging it up in the Black Sea. Lusting for Crimea and the prostitutes of Odessa.
Bully Boys on Tour.
But they never, ever ‘strike back’ against the ziofascist overlords who buy them. Living in their untouchable castes or the illegal apartheid entity – where we are complicit conspirators in mass murder with our military supply and support and your bullyboy sas types on the ground in Gaza and Syria.
Certainly the majority of our media and bloggerspere is ripe with censorship. Cancellation and echo chamber Narrative seeders – like the whining Murdock bully boy Piss Moron- that you fashion your moniker after – that’s some screwed up hero worship there fella!
Nafos fafo – they will be tracked down and served justice wherever they try to hide or travel. AI is getting better and is international. Out of our military’s control. Just like the Illegal entity’s bullying masochists are already finding out. And the ukropian Nazis. As our propagandists will find out too. Their medals worthless and to be hidden.
Pears
Pears Morgaine
March 11, 2025 at 09:03
” Iran supplying drones to Russia is no big deal. ”
So presumably you feel the same way about the US and Europe supplying arms to Ukraine? Or is that “warmongering nations feeding an unnecessary proxy war.”?
Now it appears that you have difficulties with certain concepts, so I will patiently try to explain to you in simple terms:
Nations supply weapons to other nations all the time as a financial transaction even though sometimes these countries will sell weapons to both sides of the conflict.
In some cases these countries (mainly US and UK) do not only supply the weapons for cash but may even donate them. But they also include in the package expertise to target, service and sometimes participate in the firing of these weapons. This means that these weapons cannot be used without the direct participation of these countries. The cowardice of this is that these countries can harm Russia directly thr4ough their own experts firing the weapons whilst fronting the Ukrainians but not suffering the consequences of such direct belligerence and of responsibility for killing Russians. Do you understand these simple concepts?
Weapon sales always involve a training package and instructors. Don’t imagine Iran just shipped the drones over and relied on the Russians to just get on with it.
I came across a statement today: if you want to understand whether you are a good person, then imagine that the entire population of the planet, all 8 billion people, became the same as you.
So, gentlemen, instead of arguing about the details, first answer:
1. Russia and Ukraine must agree on a ceasefire, sit down at the table and start negotiations
or
2. Continue the war
This is a very simple question, and in my opinion, it also gives an answer to whether you are a good person.
In that case the war would never have started in the first place.
Absolutely right.
But since the war has already started, then what? Should it continue?
Tatyana
Simple.
Putin withdraws his orcs from Ukraine
Then talks about repatriation of kidnapped children etc can commence.
so, your vote is for #1 ceasefire and negotiations?
Tatyana
If Putin asks for a ceasefire to allow him withdraw his orcs from Ukraine, I expect that the Ukrainian Government would agree.
that is, you’re neither Putin, nor Zelensky, but you have a plan for them?
Tatyana
I sure do have a plan for Putin
It involves a bottle of cheap vodka and a hand gun loaded with a single bullet.
But is he man enough to take the honourable way out?
(Putin withdraws his orcs from Ukraine
Mod, why are such dehumanizing terms approved on the forum?)
John, I wish you had plan for ordinary people in Ukraine and Russia, hopefully with no guns or deaths.
Jack
My use of the word orc is a comment on the inhuman behaviour of the Russkiy military, not their DNA.
Another poster just referred to Ukrainians as “hohols”.
I expect that you disapprove.
“so, your vote is for #1 ceasefire and negotiations?”
“If Putin asks for a ceasefire to allow him withdraw his orcs from Ukraine, I expect that the Ukrainian Government would agree.”
To quote a certain commenter upthread
“That’s a yes, then?”
I’m sure Putin would be happy to unconditionally withdraw all his orcs from Ukraine, both pre and post 2022 Ukraine. His soldiers may be another matter. Are you sure you haven’t been overindulging in binge-watching films about Middle Earth lately and got a bit confused?
Pears
Once again we need to go back to basics. As the wise Irishman said when asked the way to Dublin. He replier “If I were you, I wouldn’t start from here”. When and why did a war start in Ukraine? The predominant political and media representation in the west is that it is “an unprovoked full scale invasion of Ukraine by Putin on 24th of February 2022”. If you subscribe to this view then this forum has nothing to offer to you and I would be wasting my time trying to engage in a logical and meaning conversation with you.
If you have any interest in further debate then please let me know as I am reluctant to waste my time, since you did not answer my last comment to you.
SA
You speak for the forum?
I’d have thought that Craig as owner and the mods as his agents were the only people here with that authority.
Are you the only poster apart from the above in that position?
Respectfully…. /sarc
” If you subscribe to this view then this forum has nothing to offer to you”
Au contraire, the forum has plenty to offer those who wish to make contentious remarks in order to provoke a response to which they can make an equally contentious reply. Some people find this an amusing way to pass the time.
Thank you. The comment was made tongue in cheek, but the message is that both pears and redux do not seem to benefit from logical thinking and continuously repeat what the MSM say and hence the lack of benefit and do not engage in meaningful art.
It is indeed Craig’s decision if anyone is to be banned which has happened but rarely I think. If nothing else he is an ardent supporter of free speech and as the man said ‘if liberty means anything it means the right to tell people things they do not want to hear’. If anyone feels more comfortable in a place where comments that challenge the consensus are deleted and the poster banned then there are plenty to choose from.
It is interesting how this was twisted into an issue of free speech. I didn’t say “ there is no place for you to offer your opinion”; as everyone quite rightly said, it is only Craig Murray’s decision to ban anyone nor did I call for your banning. The meaning here is that you are unlikely to benefit because of your fixed views.
No use trying to get sense from those with death wishes. They were born to it!
As I said earlier on in the thread the Western Europeans can’t protect themselves from their worst enemy! Themselves. As the ukropians caught in the bag in sudzha drop their weapons and start walking – the Russian forces aren’t just shooting or bombing them for revenge or to avoid fighting them elsewhere. I’m just seeing drone footage watching them go!
Meanwhile here’s what the Europeans including our Brits are doing to themselves.
First it looks like Hungary is being forced to go to war after all.
Against Ukraine 😂😂 and the natzos are there ones enabling the attacks.
“ 🇭🇺⚔🇺🇦Hungary regards the drone attack on the Druzhba oil pipeline as an attack on its sovereignty
▪️Oil supplies from Russia to Hungary have been suspended due to a drone attack on a measuring station of the Druzhba oil pipeline, Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said. ▪️Hungary regards Ukraine’s attack on infrastructure critical to Hungary’s energy supply as an attack on its sovereignty, he stressed. “
https://t.me/llordofwar/427526
At this rate the yanks will be forced to giving Intel to the Hungarians (or even directly the RF!) so that Hungary can protect itself from the hohols and the Royal Navy and French!
They better hurry up because second, our Eurocrats have all gone ‘full tonto’ (cf Ben Wallis after meeting Shoigu before the SMO).
“Europe must reject any form of demilitarization of Ukraine, says French Defense Minister
Po said that the first duty of the armies of the European continent is to project a doctrine that should become the basis of the Ukrainian army for the next five to ten years.
“Today we must look ahead and reflect. Including on what the Ukrainian army should be like in the future,” said Sebastien Lecornu “
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
The future, Monsieur?
‘ Demilitarisation. ‘
Obviously Denazification is not even being acknowledged as also being rejected by the eurocrazies.
Imagine it :
‘ Europe must reject any form of denazification of Ukraine, says French Defense Minister ‘
White nights. Do the daughters of poor merchants celebrate ?
Does Mariya Lazich no longer burn ?
Does Mayakovsky’s ghost return ?
O’ Federico, sing this ballad,
Who plants the new Moon’s seed,
What will they harvest ?
I could read this wrong but with the latest incoming news where US and Ukraine agree that a ceasefire is the next step it sure looks like Zelensky beat Trump, Trump sure look incredibly weak after this. From trying to force Ukraine to the table with various demands it is rather Ukraine that now forced the US to the table. It was Ukraine and the EU that wanted a ceasefire and now they got US on board + arms/intelligence flowing to Ukraine. Also badly played by Russia that have made no diplomatic outreach past weeks, if they reject the ceasefire which they most likely will unless there are more to the “agreement” their rejection will be very telling and very symbolic (that they do not want peace) and will unite US/EU/Ukraine even more. On top of it it will sure boost Zelenskys approval rate.
Ukraine accepts deal says Rubio: ‘we’ll take this to the Russians’
https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-accepts-deal-says-rubio-well-take-russians
Perhaps the idea of rapprochement between US and Russia was a too far away, unrealistic?
Russia is in a weird position.
On one hand, we don’t trust the West, having our good intentions betrayed multiple times. On the other hand, we should agree a ceasefire to bring this war to the end.
I’m sure we will agree again, and I hope we are ready for the next betrayal.
I think what is coming next is a statement that Russia is ready for 30-days ceasefire. I mean, saying ‘we are ready’ is cheap. Perhaps Lavrov and Co may negotiate some clear criteria?
Tatyana
I remember Russian spokesmen in early February 2022 denying any intention to invade Ukraine.
They lied then, why should we believe them now?
“Short history of Ukrainian peace negotiations:
Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers are killed in the Ilovaisk encirclement (2014) – “We’re ready for peace! Let’s negotiate!” (Minsk-1 is concluded and they break it immediately)
Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers are killed in the Debaltsevo encirclement (2015) – “Stop the war! We want peace!” (Minsk-2 is concluded and they break it immediately, and afterwards openly state that they never even intended to honor it)
Russian troops are outside Kiev (2022) – “We are ready for negotiations” (They sign a peace deal, then shoot their own negotiator in the head & break the peace immediately)
The Ukrainian army suffers a collapse in Kursk oblast (2025) – … guess what…”
They lied then, why should we believe them now?
Bayard
So when the Russkiy military evacuated northern Ukraine after failing to ‘liberate’ Kyiv, that was because of false assurances from the Ukrainian Government, not the total collapse of Russkiy logistics as evidenced in the 64 km “Kyiv convoy” aka traffic jam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Kyiv_convoy
That all makes perfect sense.
Damn those sneaky Ukrainians. Could they not have just surrendered when asked nicely? /sarc
Interesting that the Russians fell for the same trick three, possibly four, times. How dim are they? Aside from no deal of any kind being signed in 2022 and ‘thousands’ weren’t killed in either of the previous battles it does finally expose the twin fantasies of the Ukrainian operations in the Donbas being some one-sided ‘genocide’ and of there being no Russian forces involved.
JK, PM, you always forcibly remind me of a saying of my grandmother’s, “there’s none so blind as them that don’t want to see”.
JK, effects can have more than one cause.
PM, I suppose,if you were in charge, you would have gone to war in 2014, being a person of superior intelligence.
Tatyana
They already have their positions I think.
Elections in Ukraine ( after a ‘Freeze ‘ in conflict).
Everybody stays where they are.
No NATO.
Recognition that the 4 regions remain with Russia.
And I imagine no EU military as supposed ‘ Peace Keepers ‘ on the ground whilst the ‘ peace Keepers arm themselves for a theoretical up coming Russian invasion over let’s say – the next Hundred years.
The pressure is on the US to negotiate this.
Now -if they all ( including the US ) want to carry on with the charade that Russia can be cajoled into ceding the territory they have captured so far and maybe give back what they have gained then they will only continue the effect of Russia pushing further forward across the Dnipro River and deeper into Ukraine.
That will be Russia’s negotiating position until an agreed ceasefire is reached.
Big mistake that the West is making as usual:
The idea that only they have plans – when others have theirs.
This where we came in with Biden’s ‘ Plans ‘
Down to Trump and Putin no matter how the MSM are spinning things in my opinion.
As usual we shall see.
Apparently, because the Jewish piano player agreed to a ‘ceasefire’ the USA agreed to continue with military support and intelligence sharing. So, as Putin has said all along any ceasefire is just an opportunity to rearm Ukraine. Why would Russia agree to a ceasefire where the USA continues to pump arms into the nazi enclave ?
This is an ‘Israeli ceasefire’. You stop, we continue. Hopefully, Putin will tell the orange one to piss off.
Stevie Boy
Damn those pesky Jewish Nazis.
Olympic quality shark jumping now…
JK redux
Yes! We all wonder why jews like Zelensky actively support neo-nazi groups, you are not alone.
Do you deny that Azov brigade are neo nazis? Do you deny that Ihor Kolomojskyj was the biggest funder of Azov brigade? Do you deny that Kolomojskyj is a jew?
Do you deny that Right Sektor are neo-nazis?
Here you have Zelensky giving Right Sektor leader – Dmytro Kotsiubailo – “Hero of Ukraine” commendation in the ukrainian parliament 2021:
https://x.com/timand2037/status/1500650658160070657
In Little Russia of the Russian Empire there was a Pale of Settlement for Jews. So a significant part of the population there has Jewish roots to one degree or another.
But what makes Zelensky a Jew, I wonder?
He is not a Jew in the religious sense, he is generally a post-Soviet man, born and raised in a Russian-speaking family, an actor and show businessman. Where is he a Jew?
As for nazism, imo, a drop of Jewish blood from distant ancestors is not immunity from white supremacy or whatever crap is in their heads.
They have a national hero Bandera, a Hitler collaborator, who exterminated Poles, Roma, and Jews. He simply wanted that land cleared of all other ethnicities, so that his best and most worthy would rule there. Actually, this is why modern Ukraine glorifies him.
At the same time, sources write that Bandera’s roots are from Polish Jews who converted from Judaism to Catholicism, lived in the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria (part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which is now Western Ukraine).
I agree. The proposals as reported make absolutely no sense given the realities of the situation and Trump’s position to date. It looks as if cunning Ukraine has taken naive USA negotiators for a ride once again. But we must wait and see what happens.
yes, we’ll see what happens next. In any case, thanks to Trump for trying to stop this war. And thanks to the Americans who voted for Trump, that he now has the authority to intervene in this.
And while we wait, I’ll write you a sad, but relevant joke circulating on the Ru-net:
God called Putin, Lukashenko and Zelensky and said:
– I am tired of your war, so I decided to destroy humanity. The end of the world will come in two weeks.
Returning, Putin addressed the Russians:
– There are two pieces of news: one is good, the other is bad. The good news is that I know that God exists, and the bad news is that the end of the world will come in two weeks.
Lukashenko addressed the Belarusians:
– I have two pieces of news, both of which are bad: the first is that I am not God, the second is that the end of the world will come in two weeks.
Zelensky addressed the Ukrainians:
– I have two pieces of news, and both of them are good: the first is that God has recognized me as president, the second is that I will be president until the end of the world.
Yes, very bad handling by the americans, if they really wanted to the end the war/reset with Russia, they should have talked with Russia before signing a deal with Ukraine, getting their approval about a ceasefire. It is obvious that Russia have no interest in such ceasefire (if there is not more to the deal, that is).
3 weeks ago: Russia says it wants a long-term Ukraine peace deal, not a quick U.S.-backed ceasefire
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-wants-long-term-ukraine-peace-deal-not-quick-us-backed-ceasefire-2025-02-24/
So this was either terrible diplomacy or a a deliberate move to corner Russia.
Jack
“A deliberate move to corner Russia”?
But that would mean that the Putin regime’s enthusiasm for Trump’s re-election was premature.
IMO Trump is compromised and will deliver for Putin but is being constrained by the US military.
I hope so at any rate…
Russia regulary said before the election that it does not matter – for them – whether Trump or Biden was elected, the same, usual politics would likely be carried out.
Although it is obvious that the anti-Trump crowd that claimed – hysterically – 24/7 past weeks – that Trump was a Putin agent – was a “premature” stance. These people have already forgot that during Trump’s first term he approved both sanctions and arms to Ukraine.
Jack the whole thing was a charade to trap Russia into another fake negotiation with a pause to rearm Ukraine and get Europe to soften up the population to spend money on rearming, and then fight Russia in a more coordinated way with incremental involvement of NATO, or to place Russia in a bad light when it refuses to agree to a ceasefire. I pointed this out in an earlier post in this thread.
Jack the news is too little and a week to late!
There are two aspects I want to add.
First the cinematic value of a daring tunnel caper so beloved of patriotic plucky English pows … escaping from Nazis!
I’m sure there are more but some of the celebrated are the genre of ww2 allied pows. the Wooden Horse’s Tom,Dick& Harry, The Great Escape etc - funny how they are about escape from a pow camp never about a daring attack!
Second the too late bs from Rubio and co – attempting to put words into Drumpffs mouth, taking control of the narrative, following his – ‘No one having any cards to play! ‘
Bloody hell! Not only does the RF have cards, it plays them when they appear not to have any!
Imagine – if the Ukrainians had withdrawn in good order just a week ago as some goodwill action!
Or admitted they couldn’t stay in and announced their intention to withdraw?
Then all the Russian Soldiers efforts and risk, would have not been able to proceed to its grand success.
It would not have been revealed now. It may never have, pardon the pun, seen the light 😂
Rushing to announce retreat as a ceasefire is like the school bully being forced to say ‘uncle’ by one of his victims. It doesn’t work like that dumb bullies.
Lavrov made an interview. I’ll post short theses:
Ukraine would have retained its 1991 borders, but without Crimea and part of Donbass, if its authorities had cooperated and implemented their own initiatives. To retain its borders, Kiev had to comply with the Minsk agreements.
EU and UK want the conflict to continue and are preparing something to push Washington to aggressive actions against Russia.
The presence of NATO troops on Ukrainian territory under any flag, in any capacity, including peacekeepers, will be a threat to Russia.
“Why should we agree to a peacekeeping force or some peacekeeping group? They want such a force to consist of countries that have declared us an enemy. Will they come there as peacekeepers?”
Russia knows how not to compromise in a way that would jeopardize the fate of people.
The interests of Russia and the USA will never be identical, they cannot coincide even by 50 percent. Trump’s position is that no matter what disagreements we have, they should not be allowed to escalate into war, and if there are overlapping interests, we must not miss the chance to turn it into something practical and useful.
Regarding Trump’s idea to hold a US-Russia-China meeting on nuclear weapons, Moscow is open to any format based on respect.
Nuclear powers should communicate, not shout at each other.
Russia has never had such good and trusting relations with China.
Moscow will never violate its legal and political obligations that bind it to Beijing.
“a US-Russia-China meeting on nuclear weapon”, this should, IMO, aim for parity between these states.
The current position is:
– USA = 5,044 total
– Russia = 5,580 total
– China = 500 total
Ref. Wikipedia
Of course, Trump/USA doesn’t want parity, they only want supremacy.