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Really Weasel? How are “they” melting the polar ice and causing sea level to rise? You haven’t even read the links; antigenic imprinting has nothing to do with gene editing. You’re just gloating, actually hoping for potentially billions of slow deaths just to prove yourself right, while lecturing me personally about ego?
ET, boriquagato at Substack doesn’t smell right. Too aggressive, relentlessly negative but doesn’t care how, citations to papers seems highly selective, hundreds of comments under each article. These are merely first impressions; I haven’t looked through every article.
Weasel, at first glance I’m seeing your claim contradicted by the data you linked to. For instance, Sheet 5 of 13 is Table 1. For January 2021, death rate among unvaccinated is 2507.6, vaccinated 1251.8. For February 2021 it’s 5261.5 vs. 905.7. I stopped there; there’s a lot of data and it will become available as graphs in due course.
Have you actually read any of the data?
If you have, you should be able to direct us to figures that support your claim.
And Weasel, goodness knows how many pseudonyms you’ve posted under, but if you’ve been watching this for a while you should recall that I was never keen on mass vaccination. My preferred strategy was suppression of cross-infection through prompt and properly targetted social measures, and reduction of infection risk through ventilation and moving activities outdoors. I supported mass vaccination, rather reluctantly, because (1) it was all that government policy left us with, (2) by short term measures was doing far more good than harm, and (3) because vaccines can’t reproduce within a host whereas viruses can.
If certain vaccines turn out to have long term dangers, I will continue to argue as I have until now, for legislation to end commercial confidentiality and non-disclosure clauses in employment contracts, and legally mandated full openness and accountability to be imposed upon private companies. I’m not suddenly going to become a conspiracy theorist, posting under multiple pseudonyms to create an illusion of false consensus and clutching at any juicy morsel that superficially appears to support the doctrine.
I too have been looking at that vaccinated/unvaccinated data. Looking at May 2022, the latest month for which they give data, the ASMR for the unvaccinated is 795.3 and the “ever vaccinated” is 787.1. That to me is more or less equivalent ie. there is no difference between the two groups. Looking at the other data figures it seems to me that if you hadn’t had your 3rd dose of vaccine (booster) more than 21 days before your ASMR is higher than the unvaccinated or ever vaccinated. Am I interpreting that correctly?
Clark, I have checked the link and it works for me. It uses a microsoft web publishing thingy (powerbi,powerapps), perhaps you have that blocked.
Weasle:
“. Face it guys – you were duped, you fell for the propaganda campaign and will now likely, sadly expire from Prions or Cancer within 5 years, […]”
Sounds positively gleeful! What a freak! Jeez, man, you are one sick puppy.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/excess-mortality-in-england-and-english-regions
That link is the first on this page Clark, Excess mortality in England analysis.If this is a worldwide phenomenon, and not just down to our underfunded health system, is this some effect of long covid? Covid wouldn’t be on the death certificate if it was a while after a positive test.
It’s not just in the UK Glenn. If you look at the ourworldindata link some posts above you can see in many countries it’s the same picture. This guy has put together some charts from USA data.
I find myself sceptical of the Ethical Skeptic site in general. In that article in particular, accurately inferring an inflection point seems a lot more challenging than simply observing a rise. I may get time to look at it more closely later. However, if there’s any substance to the allegations, I expect they’ll reach relevant scientific and professional literature soon. Meanwhile, many relevant professionals have Twitter streams.
Clark- you are skeptical of ANYTHING that counters your twisted logic and HUGE confirmation bias. You go looking for any glimmer of hope to PROVE you are right. How we must all bow down to your altar of superior wisdom and knowledge!
Notice how the MSM is PIVOTING away from COVIDIANS such as you? Fauci is going, Dems turning on Trump blame game saying he auth’d the mRNA potions and pressured the FDA LOL
I standby my original statement. You were duped and your EGO simply can’t comprehend how you got it so wrong. But you did. Have some humility and OWN UP for your own sake man!
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I request that Weasel be given a caution about the August 26, 12:28 comment above, since it contains no evidence and is primarily a personal psychological attack upon myself.
Weasel, both myself and ET looked at the ONS data you posted, and failed to find the effect you claimed.
Observations about politicians and the corporate media provide no evidence about the cause of increasing excess deaths – though they are often treated as if they do by conspiracy theorists. Personally I have no idea if your observations are accurate because they are things I pay little attention to.
The most obvious likely explanations of the increase are delayed effects of covid, and the backlog and overload of health services caused by the pandemic. I don’t rule out delayed effects of vaccination, but if that is the case, scientific papers will highlight the issue soon and the vaccines responsible will lose their authorisations for use. We have already seen this process in action when the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine was suspended in various countries due to concerns about detrimental effects.
Weasel, both myself and ET looked at the ONS data you posted, and failed to find the effect you claimed. We posted our findings but rather than respond to them, you PIVOTED to personal attacks upon myself. Enjoy!
Please look at lines 455 and then sum of lines 456-461 – The sum is higher in vaccinated (any dose, aggregated) than the vaccinated per 100,000 person-years. 795 per 100,000 Non-Covid deaths in unvaccinated vs 8,699. What further evidence do you need?
Have you seen the German Lab studies released this week looking at the ‘vaccines’ under the microscope? Many tube like structures with red-bloody cells clustering around them (Graphene Oxide). Then various toxic metals such as cesium,aluminium and cobalt?
Have you read any of the papers by Dr Peter McCullough, Dr Rob Malone (mRNA inventor), Dr Ryan Cole (pathologist)? Maybe do some more reading and come to a conclusion other than MSM fed tripe
Clark – Resorting to MODS to save your narrative. How sad!
Weasel, your comment dated August 26, 2022 at 12:28 is a clear example of taunting, which is contrary to the moderation rules for commenters, specifically:
Fair Play
Play the ball, not the man. Address arguments, not people … No taunting.Your commenting conforms to a pattern that has been witnessed several times before on this forum, so we have a good idea of what to expect. Your contributions will now be automatically placed in the moderation queue.
Weasel, thanks for narrowing down the data you regard as decisive; I’ll look at it later. My immediate observation is that your initial claim concerned “death from all causes”, but you are now citing “Non-Covid deaths in unvaccinated”, ie. possibly you’re not comparing like with like.
I barely consume what you call “MSM”; I don’t even call it that because it does not represent the interests of the mainstream of people. Who are you letting cherry-pick the “experts” you give such credence to? I’ve seen the latter two names over and over again from the denialists and anti-vaxxers, as if there was no vast scientific community to listen to. Didn’t pathologist Ryan Cole get into the Daily Mail a lot, or was that someone else?
My request to the mods regards your personally bullying behaviour. If that is what you deem necessary to project your narrative, then that is what’s sad.
Mods, thanks. I hope that Weasel can separate his/her evidential points and reasoning from the personal slurs.
Weasel, 15:16
– “…various toxic metals such as cesium, aluminium and cobalt?”
I just looked up the following. Caesium is very mildly toxic, eg. caesium chloride has about the same lethal dose as table salt – maybe you’re thinking of the radioactive fission product caesium-137? Aluminium is even less toxic than caesium, and you can suffer a deficiency of cobalt. Is graphene oxide so bad? Graphene is just carbon. “Graphene oxides have excellent antibacterial properties. Graphene and its derivatives are beneficial for their wound healing and antiinfective characteristics”, Science Direct.
Maybe you should be more sceptical of your source; the technical names seem to have been thrown in merely to generate FUD among New Age hippies and other technophobes.
Weasel, 15:16
– “Please look at lines 455 and then sum of lines 456-461”
Who suggested that you do this? I find it very unlikely that you happened to download the ONS data and trawled through it, adding and comparing various figures.
My point is that you berate people for supposedly swallowing what you call the “MSM narrative”, but you seem to unquestioningly swallow “alternative” narratives. What’s the difference? Neither involve critical thinking, such as looking up caesium, aluminium, cobalt and graphene oxides, to see if they’re really as toxic as suggested.
Note that this continues to be true, even in the unlikely event that vaccines are responsible for the rise in deaths from all causes.
Weasel, I’m going out for the evening so I won’t be looking at the ONS data until tomorrow at the earliest. This gives you an opportunity to demonstrate your reasoning ability, and the independence of your mind from the sources you’ve been using. You could check whether comparing “line 455” with the “sum of lines 456-461” is really a comparison of like with like. Then you could check for cherry-picking, ie. do other months, and/or previous and subsequent issues of the ONS report show the same pattern, or was it a fluke?
Does that seem reasonable?
I’m on a bus from Dublin Airport to a family event this weekend. The only device I have with me is my phone and I ain’t looking at spreadsheets on it. I’ll take a look again when I’m back home.
Looks like YouTuber Doctor John Campbell addressed this yesterday. I haven’t watched this yet:
Excess deaths, the data
369,463 views
28 Aug 2022YouTube, 15 minutes 29 seconds.
Ten, eleven minutes in, he’s quoting Prof. Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, Oxford University. I think I remember Heneghan downplaying a second wave, just before the second wave.
