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September 8, 2019 at 18:30 #47008Dave
Dorian, your picture in the attic must becoming a fearful sight!
September 8, 2019 at 20:17 #47009KempeDear God are we going all over this old ground again?
What part of progressive collapse are Truthers still having problems with?
https://bsbgroup.com/blog/progressive-collapse-of-structures/
September 8, 2019 at 23:14 #47012DaveThat link showed the twin towers. Once you look at them, their sheer size, the idea they would completely disintegrate into dust in seconds after being hit by a plane becomes absurd.
September 9, 2019 at 03:13 #47013Clark“..and if they’d been ten times as tall, they’d have been ten times as strong; any kid who’s built a tower of blocks knows it’s the short ones that are difficult, they just get easier the taller you build them. That’s why bungalows are more expensive than skyscrapers.”
The taller they come, the harder they fall.
C’mon Dave, tell us what you really think; you know your mates will never quote you on it.
September 9, 2019 at 03:35 #47014ClarkDave, each of the Twin Towers was like a hundred cheap supermarkets stacked in a vertical frame, each one’s heavy concrete floor laid on the fragile corrugated roof of the one below. The top ten of them all fell onto the rest below, smashing through floor after floor until all that churning rubble pulverised itself against the ground.
September 9, 2019 at 04:09 #47015ClarkAre you suggesting that someone has sold their soul, Dave?
September 9, 2019 at 09:44 #47017DaveAs you can clearly see they aren’t collapsing as you suggest but disintegrating/exploding into dust at an even speed despite the strength of the towers (to hold what’s above) increasing towards the base. At least those blaming “direct energy weapons” are less audacious than you, as they can’t be seen (requires an act of faith to believe) whereas your theory defies us to believe our very eyes.
September 9, 2019 at 14:18 #47028Clark– “…at an even speed despite the strength of the towers (to hold what’s above) increasing towards the base”
Gerry, would you go over these points? Dave thinks I’ve sold my soul.
– “disintegrating/exploding into dust at an even speed […],your theory defies us to believe our very eyes”
No, trust your own eyes; there are plenty of images. The vast majority of dust welled up as the internal collapses pulverised themselves against the ground. The dust spread all over Manhattan, leaving larger wreckage full of rubble, and sections of steel with all the bolts wrenched out. Just what you’d expect.
Look Dave, there are millions of things that you or I might have difficulty imagining like photosynthesis, DNA replication, nuclear fusion, supernova or plate tectonics, but if that meant they didn’t happen there’d be no life on Earth.
September 9, 2019 at 14:27 #47029ClarkNullius in verba.
September 9, 2019 at 15:08 #47030KempeWell they didn’t completely disintegrate into dust. What of the thousands of tons of steel and concrete removed to landfill or re-cycled?
September 9, 2019 at 15:49 #47031ClarkThere are two high tides each day, and it’s “hard to imagine” how the Moon’s gravitation could raise the one on the side of Earth furthest from the Moon. So can we conclude that for hundreds of years, the global scientific community have been lying to everyone to conceal the Truth that really, tides are raised by SPECTRE’s energy beams?
September 9, 2019 at 16:07 #47032ClarkKempe, while we’re all waiting for Gerry and David Chandler, what do you make of my “the fire-fighters did it” theory? It could help explain various odd things that people said, as well as FEMA’s unusual steel samples and WTC7’s remarkably orderly collapse.
September 9, 2019 at 16:36 #47033Clark– “When Danny Jowenko made the comment about “they must have worked hard” he was being sarcastic”
Can you be sure? Almost the next thing he said was, resignedly, “I can’t explain it”. To have been sarcastic, his earlier comment would have had to have been based on an explanation.
September 10, 2019 at 05:25 #47040DaveAnd don’t forget the passport!
September 10, 2019 at 05:28 #47041DaveA gold medal for gall!
September 10, 2019 at 08:45 #47043ClarkTruther logic – “Looks like a passport being handed in was a set-up. Therefore, claims that the Towers turned to dust are true, so an energy weapon must have been fired at the towers. Therefore all the photos showing rubble and steel wreckage were faked, so there must have been an overarching conspiracy of almost supernatural power. Which proves that the passport was indeed definitely seeded, and anyone who seems unconvinced by all this must be an agent.”
September 10, 2019 at 08:53 #47044ClarkTruther argument method: “…and when you’ve run out of even illogical arguments, always round off with a derogatory imputation.”
September 10, 2019 at 09:10 #47045ClarkDave, are you the same commenter as on the 9/11 Post, who described the collapses of the Twin Towers as “Jewish lightning”, and recommended The Jewish Plot against America by Victor Thorn, author of “The Holocaust Hoax Exposed: Debunking the 20th Century’s Biggest Lie”?
September 10, 2019 at 13:54 #47062DaveIf someone in a month long relationship takes out very expensive life insurance on their new partner and adds a clause adding a special bonus pay-out if their partner dies in a freak accident a month before they die in a freak accident, it would look suspicious, especially if they did it twice!
September 10, 2019 at 21:04 #47066ClarkI’ll take that as a yes, then. You consider a Holocaust denier a reliable source of facts, presumably.
Whoever leased the WTC site would have been required to take out insurance. A clause in the insurance contract required Silverstein to rebuild in the event of payout, and rebuild he did. You can show me that he rebuilt for much less than the payout, can you?
September 10, 2019 at 23:14 #47069DaveWhat is a “holocaust denier” and what is “Jewish lightning”?
September 10, 2019 at 23:47 #47071Node9/11/Silvio, thanks for starting this thread.
Gerry, thanks for your expert input. Delighted to have you here.
Everybody else, please don’t turn this into a slagging match. If you’re interested in the truth, excercise restraint, don’t respond to baiting.
We’ve been waiting for the release of this UAF report for 4 years. I was beginning to think the prof had been nobbled. Now here it is, facts, figures, opensource modelling, and devastating conclusions. This is hard science. It can not be dismissed as unsubstantiated theorising. The authors show ‘their workings’. They say, “This is how we arrived at the conclusion that NIST is wrong. If you disagree, demonstrate where our reasoning is wrong.”
I look forward to the next few months.
September 11, 2019 at 00:05 #47072NodeKempe,
Nist merely assert that progressive collapse caused the fall of WTC7. They didn’t model it, or even describe it. They offer no proof.
OTOH, the UAF report demonstrates why it <i>couldn’t</i> have been progressive collapse, and offers for examination all the modelling, engineering, mathematical and physical evidence on which they base their conclusion.
It doesn’t matter whether progressive collapse can sometimes cause the collapse of some buildings. We now have <i>evidence</i> that it couldn’t have been the cause of WTC7’s fall. Now it is up to you to refute that evidence, or accept it.
September 11, 2019 at 09:27 #47078ClarkPlease answer my question first; are you the same commenter as that Dave on the 9/11 Post?
September 11, 2019 at 09:56 #47079ClarkGerry, I second Node’s welcome; I hope you return soon, and I hope David Chandler will join us too.
Node, beware of, er, over-optimism*. As Mike Ruppert warned so long ago, the building wreckage is no longer available, and we should be on our guard against assuming that WTC7 entirely fulfilled its specification in the design documents. Further (and I’m unlikely to read the UAF report in detail) I wonder if their simulation correctly predicts the observed asymmetry ie. the early collapse of one end of the penthouse.
(* I’m not sure that “optimism” is the right word for actually hoping that the Twin Towers were pre-rigged with explosives throughout the buildings).
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