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God help us!
There’s a lot of theorising here by someone who is clearly not a structural or civil engineer.
Observation mostly.
The odd bits of theory can easily be checked. Which are you worried about?
Meanwhile, solid evidence of foreknowledge and obstruction of efforts to prevent the attacks gets lost by those fixated on the fact that the towers fell down after high speed impacts onto their structures. How many “truthers” know about Alec Station, Able Danger, Coleen Rowley, the NRO “plane into building” exercise during the attacks or any other evidence of complicity not related to the (false) claims of demolition?
Well said Mark, and thanks for speaking up; it has been a long and lonely struggle for me.
http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.com/2008/11/they-didnt-even-try-to-keep-americans.html
http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.com/2008/11/9-11-warnings-ignored-timeline-summer.html
Not surprised it’s gone quiet Clark, the disparaging generalisations about truthers is fairly offensive/ annoying to those of us who you would call a truther but are only following the facts and evidence. I define myself simply as someone who understands freefall.
Re your firefighters blew up WTC7 on the day, it sounds entirely impossible to me. Have you any fire fighters/ CD experts that consider it plausible? More importantly, does this mean you accept CD as the only reasonable explanation for WTC7’s collapse? That at least is progress.
Being generous Clark’s role is to self-skunk the blog to stop it being banned by the deep state and this explains his regular black is white observations, but has a personal interest because he believes controlled demolition equates to blaming the ‘Jews’, as opposed those specifically responsible.
The book you recommended by the Holocaust denier specifically named Judaism itself as the cause of 9/11. I pointed that out and you defended it. Your fellow Truthers refused to acknowledge your anti-Semitism. Instead, they accused me of fabricating it to “protect the official story”.
I think the reason it’s gone quiet is that I can actually do simple physics.
You seem to have been convinced by Truther websites that you “understand free-fall”. Whether induced by explosives or not, hardly any material in a progressive collapse is in free-fall overall, because it is in constant random collisions with itself; that’s what makes the characteristic roaring sound. Sound is a form of energy, making that energy unavailable for acceleration of materials. The sites you seem to have frequented have been very selective in the aspects of the physics that they mention.
There are videos on YouTube comparing the descent of WTC7 side-by-side with multiple known controlled demolitions. Overall, scaled to occupy the same space on screen, the collapses indeed look very similar. But look more carefully – many storeys of WTC7 are the same height on screen as a few storeys of each other building, yet they fall side-by-side. This tells us that even known demolitions accelerate at less than the acceleration due to gravity.
Maybe the things you read on Truther websites are less than true.
And if either of us are “skunking the blog” it’s you, Dave. It was you that posted the “Jewish lightning” comment, deleted by moderators for its anti-Semitism. I had to look it up. It is slang for setting fire to one’s own building in order to claim the insurance. You confirmed your stance that the Twin Towers were demolished for an insurance fraud above.
It is an anti-Semitic canard; “Jews will do anything for money, even mass murder, and there are any number of other Jews who will conspire to help them in perfect secrecy”.
Military engineers have frequently demolished buildings in hours. It’s one of their main jobs.
It was the fire-fighters who seemed to have foreknowledge of the destruction of WTC7. Are you accusing the fire-fighters of pre-rigging the Twin Towers as well, and thereby murdering hundreds of their own colleagues? See here.
so you’ve determined that I have arrived at my conclusions by being convinced by “truther websites”. Sigh.
The sort of websites I found convincing is those where arguments are made by the likes of Gerry above, so thanks for re-confirming my belief that this thread is filled with unnecessary snidey shit. So I’m out.
I don’t blame a religion for 9/11, although some blame Christianity for the Holocaust! Do you?
If you could indeed “do simple physics” you would know that a 53ft beam cannot expand anything like 6.25″ when elevated 577C, so invalidating NIST’s favoured hypothesis for the collapse initiating event at WTC7.
And if you could indeed remember simple statements, I don’t defend NIST’s WTC7 models:
Did you contact David Chandler?
“We heard that the Twin Towers were demolished. We know it looks a lot like they failed at the damaged zones causing the tops to smash the bottoms, but it could have been a special, timed, sequenced, fireproofed and remote-controlled demolition rig made to look that way. WTC7 looks somewhat like a conventional controlled demolition, therefore it was a controlled demolition, therefore it was rigged weeks in advance, therefore the Twin Towers could have been rigged in advance too, but with a couple of these special, theatrical, damaged-zone-down demolition rigs. Three thousand people in the world have signed up to this, but all the world’s universities and engineering associations are pawns of the conspiracy.”
I call this spectacularly wishful thinking.
– “…to stop it being banned by the deep state”
This just drips with paranoia; there are dozens of sites pushing demolition nonsense but they don’t get “banned”. YouTube’s infested with the stuff and YouTube’s owned by Google, yet I hear that Google are the “deep state”. And don’t pretend it’s a coincidence that you lot all keep making the same half-dozen non-points as each other, and generally in exactly the same words – you all get it pre-cooked off the ‘net.
That was a generous reason for your black is white observations, but as you rule out self-skunking (do you also deny you are trying to undermine and/or get the thread removed?) the second reason becomes most likely! If so do you think its anti-German to blame Germans for the Holocaust and think criticising Hitler is “anti-Germanism”?
What you display there is the role of the religious inquisitor searching for and seeking to crush the first sign of heresy.
The twin towers was obvious controlled demolition (meaning brought down with explosives), but admittedly viewers were bamboozled and told something different, stories about planes, hijackings etc, which most accepted on trust, as they were marched into war, which you repeat.
But WTC7 is different, because it wasn’t hit by a plane and fell in the afternoon with little public knowledge of the event. So when this event is quietly scrutinised its without the ‘heat’ surrounding the twin towers and so can be looked at dispassionately by reasonable people.
And that why you have until recently described it as a sympathy collapse and now (almost as far-fetched) rigged to collapse on the same day as a national disaster was unfolding, rather than allow the truth of WTC7 ignite the chain of heresy you describe.
– “do you also deny you are trying to undermine and/or get the thread removed?”
That idea was proposed by the commenter called Node.
If I wanted the thread to die, the easiest way would be for me to stop commenting. You lot would reaffirm your agreement about theatrical explosives (while studiously ignoring the contradictions between your various ‘theories’) and then lose interest.
History confirms this; if you look through the dates on the 9/11 Post, you’ll find two long gaps after the WordPress software had closed comments automatically because no one had commented in a long time. On both occasions it was me, as a moderator, who reopened comments.
So your personal accusation against me is not merely unfounded, but directly contradicted by facts. But that’s typical of those known as “Truthers”.
And I do all this because I have an infantile need to trust Western governmental authority, or because I’m a member of the conspiracy, right?
Odd, really, since I have stated my suspicion that 9/11 was a Gladio B / covert NATO / arms manufacturers’ operation. So maybe you’re paid or enthralled by them and that’s why you’re trying to smear me? This accusation has at least as much evidence as yours, ie. it’s utter bunk.
You say you have suspicions of foul play, but can you narrow it done a bit more?
Grief, any meaningful answer to this would be ridiculously long.
In short, I suspect a conspiracy within the industrial-military-secrecy complex. National boundaries are mostly irrelevant; 9/11 looks as though powerful murderous authoritarian psychopaths arranged and facilitated an attack upon Earthly life itself. It was supremely effective. As humanity entered the new millennium, neoliberal degradation of everything biological (including human quality of life) was the most urgent issue by far. Openness and cooperation were (and remain) the most necessary responses, but 9/11 successfully generated hitherto unseen levels of conflict and suspicion.
Sorry; I’m busy now. More on this topic later.
The 9/11 attacks themselves were foul play.
I think the reports of the various investigations were broadly correct, ie. hijackers managed to take control of aircraft and crash them in suicide attacks, but the hijackers couldn’t have succeeded without help from within US authorities. I wouldn’t trust the details, eg. the purported identities of the hijackers, or which of them were purportedly the pilots. I think it’s very likely that they were indeed “Islamic” extremists, because these are the people who can be induced to perform suicide attacks.
But here’s the first deception, which is that Wahhabism is a form of Islam. Wahhabism is the state “religion” of the Gulf Monarchies, especially Saudi Arabia, and it is an abuse and a perversion of religion, just as Judaism is abused and perverted by some in Israel (including by some very prominent rabbis) to indoctrinate extreme nationalism and hatred of non-Jewish Middle Easterners. For decades, brutal Wahhabist indoctrination has been central to projection of power by the al Saud family. Religion by its nature (faith) is vulnerable to perversion by state power, and it has happened time after time in history; the first half of Old Testament is pretty much a manual of it.
The second deception is that the hijackers were “al Qaeda”, and forcing such confessions seems to have been the major objective of the torture programme. But who is a member of “al Qaeda” and who isn’t? And what is “al Qaeda” anyway? Answering these questions requires background knowledge and careful consideration of the context, all of which has been glossed over or more usually entirely omitted by both government and media.
Sorry, I’m only just getting started here, but it is time I went to bed.
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