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Let’s see how many countries join the list without Britain joining. (In Britain the Astrazeneca vaccine is sometimes called the “Oxford” or “AstaZeneca-Oxford” vaccine, “Oxford” being a brand owned by the university that is based in that city.) Ireland joined today.
In the following list, * means “better than Britain so far on death rate per 1 million population”. Oh look – it’s every country on the list.
Austria *
Denmark *
Estonia *
Lithuania *
Luxembourg *
Latvia *
Italy *
Norway *
Iceland *
Ireland *The British queen claims to have been injected with a vaccine, but she refuses to say which one. (Source.)
The Netherlands (*) has now joined the list.
Anyone who thinks the British rulers are unusually competent and have an unusually great love for “their natives” should disregard all of this information. They should put their fingers in their ears while shouting “All those foreign countries are only stopping giving the Astrazeneca vaccine because they’re stupid, unscientific, and jealous of their British betters!” (Best shouted while tugging their forelocks “gratefully”.)
Why is Britain out on a limb in connection with the Astrazeneca vaccine?
Possibilities:
1) Oxford University is based in Britain. Many leading politicians and civil servants went there, and they love going back to their old college for lunch.
2) Freedom from liability. Since March 2020 Britain has had a law (sections 11-13 of the Coronavirus Act) that enables any medic etc. to be freed of liability from killing people by breaching their “duty of care”, both if the people killed are Covid patients and also if they are others to whom the medic is attending because of a rearrangement of duties in connection with the pandemic.
Or maybe some other countries also have a law such as 2)??
The Astrazeneca vaccine may turn out to get banned in as many countries as the vaccines for pertussis (whooping cough) and MMR (measles, mumps, rubella). One difference being that lots of money has been paid out in compensation for (albeit only a small proportion of) the damage that’s been done by the pertussis and MMR vaccines, whereas the Coronavirus Act 2020 may prevent even a ha’penny being paid out in compensation for deaths caused by the Astrazeneca SARS-CoV2 vaccine.
B-b-but the “experts” said to “protect the NHS”, and more generally the government always has the people’s interests at heart, so the vaccine must be good. Any statement to the contrary is an antisocial crime tantamount to undermining the wise leadership of Comrade Enver Hoxha, and the makers of statements are degenerates and disrespecters of Science who must be silenced!
From the BBC, or the “British Falsehood Corporation” as striking workers called it during the General Strike:
“Manufacturer AstraZeneca has said there is no evidence of a link between the two. [This means between the vaccine this company is selling and the blood clots that have caused more than 10 countries to suspend it – N_ note]. Dr Phil Bryan, vaccines safety lead at the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), said people ‘should still go and get their Covid-19 vaccine when asked to do so.’“
Oh – so the state is “asking” people to get vaccinated now, is it? A short while ago, it was “offering” us vaccination.
In her piece in the Torygraph, Miranda Levy sneers at working class people who dare to think about important stuff (presumably rather than sitting around all day sniffing glue or watching porn): “Wander into any of our (increasingly busy) parks and high streets, and chances are that snippets of conversation will float your way. ‘AstraZeneca,’ you might hear people say as they congregate in small, socially-distanced groups. ‘Oxford jab’… ‘Pfizer’… ‘side effects’.”
Ooh, that must give middle class people such amusement!
“Chris Smith, a virologist at the University of Cambridge and Addenbrooke’s Hospital [He’s also the “science communicator” who presents the radio show “The Naked Scientists” – there’s nothing like drawing attention by shouting “w*lly!” or “t*ts!” N_ note] (says that) some of these [post-vaccination] symptoms may not be down to the vaccine at all. ‘Just because you are feeling s—–y, it might not be because of the jab. It could be down to something else entirely,’ he says. ‘We have a tendency to attach significance to coincidence.’ Hence, that headache might be because of one glass of wine too many last night, that tiredness due to an extra-long run. [Yes, mate, and if you get vaccinated and then a bloodclot kills you, maybe it was a pre-existing bloodclot that would have killed you anyway – N_ note]”
What a f***ing fraud!
The British “expert” line continues at the time of writing to be that all of the foreign countries that have stopped giving out the Astrazeneca vaccine are proceeding on the basis of “no evidence”. In other words, the line is as follows:
- Foreigners are excitable, irrational, and do things either for no reason or because they’ve got some secret goal they’re not admitting
- British leaders are the world’s finest, honest and public-spirited, and you must do what they say. British journalists, medics, politicians and “experts” are all singing to the same national tune. “When you die, it’s probably because you’ve got alcohol poisoning, not for whatever reason you might suppose, you dirty prole who probably only found out there was something called ‘Astrazeneca’ last week.” “Kill yourelf for Britain.”
What next – pals’ battalions?
* never mind that Britain has had one of the world’s highest reported figures for deaths with Covid-19 per 1 million population – higher than in every country in Africa, Asia, and the Americas, and higher than most other countries in Europe too
Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Iceland and Ireland, have temporarily suspended the rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine.
Italy also followed Austria, Estonia, Latvia, Luxembourg and Lithuania in banning jabs from one particular batch of one million AstraZeneca vaccines, which was sent to 17 countries, after reports of a death.
AstraZeneca vaccinations are continuing in other countries, including the United Kingdom and France and Germany.You are jumping off the deep end N_.
All of the countries above have stated they have no direct evidence of a causal link yet. They are acting on the precautionary principle and are awaiting further evaluation of the data.
According to AstraZeneca, there have been 15 instances of deep vein thrombosis and 22 events of pulmonary embolism reported among more than 17m people vaccinated in the European Union and UK. 37 events amongst 17 million. I’ve yet to see verification of that data or any other data suggesting the numbers are higher. The 4 cases from Norway were apparrently fit healthy under 50’s. Wait and see before you go off on one.Germany (*) has now joined the list.
France (*) will probably join soon.
Oxford University’s brand managers seem to have told the British media to stop calling it the “Oxford jab” and to call it the “Astrazeneca” instead. Bit of a balls-up for Oxford’s public relations.
@ET: your rhetorical techniques: “temporary”, “one particular batch”, “no direct evidence”, “awaiting further evaluation”, you have “yet to see verification”. The fact is that a growing number of foreign countries are cutting back on shooting this vaccine into people, owing to blood clotting and deaths, and the British press are saying that that’s because the foreigners aren’t expert enough, can’t think straight, or are in some other way up their own a*ses.
Meanwhile in Britain (presumed source of the Britain variant B117) the Astrazeneca vaccine is even being given to those who are known to have had SARS-CoV2, who experienced symptoms, including in many cases severe symptoms, and who then recovered.
Among those known to have been infected with SARS-CoV2 and who experienced symptoms and recovered, the reinfection rate is probably much higher among the vaccinated than among the unvaccinated. I haven’t seen a figure, but that’s certainly what it sounds like.
The country in which such an unusually large proportion of people have DIED with Covid-19 is the very same country in which a vaccine has been developed which numerous other countries have cut back on or stopped doling out…and soon we may find that the only “market” left for it (perhaps excluding places such as Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands) is those who live inside the country who believe the country’s own “experts” and government leaders and who are told to take it by medics, whose contempt towards working class patients will grow from its already extremely high levels whenever such a patient even asks the question “which vaccine is it that you want to give me?”
@ N_
I get the brand management bit and the jingoism, really I do. I am irish and the irish are very sensitive to that from UK (though not so sensitive to their own jingoism). To a large extent I agree with you on that point. The UK is not the only culprit in that. “Guaranteed Irish” (now long gone thanks to EU), ‘vorsprung durch technik,’ “made in USA,” “mis en bouteille au chateau”, thay all come from the same place.I am not using rhetorical techniques N_, I am stating what I have read. As far as I can discern what I have stated is true though Thailand has also now suspended AstroZenica vaccines. Here is what Stephen Donnelly, Irish health minister has to say. Temporary may evolve into permenant yet but for now it is temporary. The numbers reported so far are small and there are a host of other reasons why people may have had DVT’s or PE or haemorrhagic strokes. They are reports of reduced platelet counts which tend to cause haemorrhagic events rather than thrombotic events. (Reduced clotting tendency vs increased clotting tendency).
DVT’s and strokes are common events N_, long before covid or the (covid) vaccines were a thing. A fortune is spent on thromboprophylaxis in the UK (and all over the world’s health services) and I mean billions a year.Perhaps N_ you may want to consider a different viewpoint. The AstraZenica vaccine is a vector-based vaccine not an mRNA vaccine and is cheaper. Perhaps the current news is designed to reduce the public’s trust in the astrozenica vaccine and promote the others? See Moon of Alabama piece here.
France (*) is now on the list too.
Britain will join the list soon. It’s not Sun readers the rulers are worried about – it’s the “educated” middle classes. Such types can sneer at proletarians who dare to use words like “Astrazeneca” and “side effects”, but many of them won’t want this sh*t going in their own arms…
And remember – unlike the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, the AZ one is non-mRNA!
Thanks, @ET – I will print that out. If everything else were equal, it would be the mRNA ones that I was most scared of, and competition between multinationals is surely playing a part (which is not to say there aren’t fronts for the sector as a cartel), so I will read that article.
Are you still printing stuff out to read? Does that not cost you a fortune in ink cartridges? Not to mention the clutter of read, half read and not read stuff laying about?
… and soon we may find that the only “market” left for it (perhaps excluding places such as Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands) is those who live inside the country who believe the country’s own “experts” and government leaders and who are told to take it by medics, whose contempt towards working class patients will grow from its already extremely high levels whenever such a patient even asks the question “which vaccine is it that you want to give me?”
In Ukraine, a cheaper version of Astra Zeneca, CovidShield, is the only vaccine offered to the population. So either you make wrong generalizations, or Ukraine should be put on the list of the current British colonies — over there, many people think exactly that (more precisely, Anglo-American condominium).
The general annual incidence of blood clots is 1-2 per 1,000. They are more common than some realise. Out of one million people it would be expected that 19-38 would develop blood clots of some severity or another every week. The majority are non-life threatening and clear up by themselves.
The number of blood clots attributed to the AZ vaccine is insignificant; when compared to the general incidence it’s well within normal and the over-reaction by some nation states is utterly baffling.
“The makers of the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine were one of the only companies to explicitly pledge to sell doses at cost price during, and after, the pandemic. Pfizer, on the other hand, has not made a similar pledge.
“Pfizer told their investors recently that as soon as next year [when booster vaccinations will be required] they’re going to be moving away from “pandemic pricing” and towards price points that are on par with other vaccines that they have on the market, at $150 or $175 per dose,” says Ramachandran. “When insurance companies have to shoulder this cost, they’re going to pass it down to us through our insurance premiums.”
From this piece.
“The TRIPS waiver was blocked by a small but powerful coalition of Western countries. The United States, Canada, Australia, the UK, Japan, Brazil and several European nations all opposed the proposal.”
More on the blocking of the TRIPS waiver here.
Dominic Cummings today is giving evidence to a Commons committee. (He has been holding up a chart, like he’s Benjamin Netanyahu.) The media are fawningly saying he has “agreed” to give evidence. It used to be the case that the Commons could compel witnesses, but clearly nobody compels Dominic Cummings, and if he chooses to do something we must all thank him.
The Guardian reports him as saying “The EU system has blown up over vaccines” and “That shows what happens when you have an anti-science bureaucracy like the one in Brussels.”
Reading insane rubbish like that kinda detracts from the FACT that the proportion of reported deaths with Covid-19 per 1 million population have been far lower in the EU than in Britain. 24 out of 27 EU countries have had lower proportions than Britain.
Which multinationals are behing the Advanced Research and Invention Agency, by the way, the Brit poshboy equivalent of DARPA? Is it basically Google and Apple?
Cummings’s ARIA bill contains the following
Supplementary powers
17(1) ARIA may do anything which appears to it to be necessary or expedient for the purpose of, or in connection with, the exercise of its functionsIt then gives a list after “in particular”, containing things like acquiring land, borrowing money, and “accepting gifts” (haha), but the words “may do anything which appears to it to be necessary or expedient [for its purposes]” makes it sound like a mediaeval chivalric order…
I wonder what its symbol will be…
Wow…Cummings to the committee: “There are some fields in which we are a superpower. The first thing that comes to mind is the genetic sequencing of Covid variants.”
Cummings clearly doesn’t know what “Covid” means. Covid-19 is a syndrome, a collection of symptoms, an illness a person is showing that is thought to indicate a SARS-CoV2 infection or that is thought to result from an already known SARS-CoV2 infection. SARS-CoV2 is a variant of the SARS virus. Viruses can be genetically sequenced; illnesses can’t. An illness isn’t a virus. Maybe they didn’t teach him that when he was doing his classes on Bismarck and Thucydides at Oxford.
Britain’s looking more like an about-to-go-bankrupt banana monarchy every day.
@Kempe
those blood clots caused by AstraZeneca are unusual
here is CNN report
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-03-15-21/h_cee332fa071de4a0dcf3ba3cb465e52f… Norwegian National Institute of Public Health and the Norwegian Medicines Agency…
The cases “present a rare disease picture,” the agency said: “They have a very unusual combination of low platelet counts, blood clots in small and large vessels and bleeding.”
When I first read the description of the cases from Norway I thought of Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation which is indeed rare to see but does happen particularly with sepsis. In this condition you have low paltelets because they are being activated too much and therefore used up and clotting in blood vessels.
Btw, Happy St.Paddy’s day 😀
Boris Johnson says “the NHS” has called him about getting “his vaccine”. He says – as if he is a Mr Everyman – that he is now waiting for his “appointment”.
WTF??? Why does someone who has already been infected with SARS-CoV2, and who suffered severe Covid-19 symptoms that caused him to need treatment in an intensive care unit, need to be vaccinated?? He’s immune! What are the possible benefits of him being vaccinated, either to himself or to others he comes in contact with? There aren’t any.
More like the anti phospholipid syndrome. Despite the low platelets thrombosis is more common than bleeding or haemorrhage.
No one knows for sure how long immunity lasts after being infected N_ though some estimates put it around 6 months. Also, no one knows as yet to what extent immunity from having been infected with one variant transfers to other variants. Same goes for the vaccines mind but there is evidence that they are protective against the current variants. It makes sense for him to be vaccinated.
Aside from that it seems a bit daft that the Prime Minister is in a queue for vaccination. Surely him and probably all MP’s ought to be prioritised so thay can get on with their business. I suspect he has already been but is trying to encourage vaccine take up with the public.
