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michael norton, your commenting style is too divergent and disruptive for integration with other commenters’ discussions. From this point on, you will only be permitted to post your contributions here; any comments you submit to other threads will not appear. The conditions notified to you previously still apply.
An alternative title could be “michael norton’s last chance saloon”. If any further moderator intervention is required to deal with your musings, then the result is likely to be a permanent exclusion.
Hello Moderator, would you be willing to share your thinking process with us, I would be appreciative.
I have many friends, quite a lot of them have doctorates. My own daughter is a doctor.
I discuss many topics with them, all the time. Some times we come to the same conclusion.
This theme you have running here would seem to be aimed at shutting down thought.
perhaps I am mistaken?Michael: “This theme you have running here would seem to be aimed at shutting down thought…”
I’ve been trying to get you to think for months. Maybe you do, but there’s precious little sign of it in your replies; you just change the subject every time, which seems deliberately evasive.
I’ll try yet again though. Did you know of the potential impending north European “ice age”? I think that’s the fourth time I’ve asked you that; I’ve lost count.
“My own daughter is a doctor.”
I suspect, if you asked in earnest, what is the essence of medicine, she’d reply to take a thorough history, perform a competent examination and base your next steps on those two things.
Do you perform those steps Michael?MN: By ‘discuss’, do you mean tossing in disjointed items vaguely associated with the subject a hand, picked from some sources with an obvious agenda?
Or do you mean doing a back and forth on one topic, taking into consideration the last thing said – actually addressing what the other has given in reply, responding to it, and giving further original thoughts of your own?
This – the latter above – is what a ‘discussion’ is. You distinguish yourself by manfestly failing to do this. It’s incredibly basic, the minimum requirement for any basis of an actual discussion.
Yet you very rarely even acknowledge anything that anybody else says, let alone take it on board. Even when they address a point that you yourself brought up. Never an acknowledgement, never any follow-up.
That’s been the problem here, and always has been. I very much doubt if you will change. If Clark (who has the patience of a saint) has got so exasperated with you, there is little hope.
Naked Capitalism recently suspended their comments for a short time explaining why in the linked post.
A few days later they are again restoring comments. Yves explains things very well.
I am not saying everything described in those links applies here but some elements do.ET, wow, thanks for that link to Naked Capitalism. Jules has quit? Grief, it must have got bad over there. As a former moderator, I confirm and strongly agree with everything Yves has posted there. The apparently tribalist triumphalism of the Trump supporters is unpleasant and really quite scary.
To be clear, and before I’m accused of taking sides in the current, increasingly polarised atmosphere, the hypocrisy of the Centrists as their agenda, and their propaganda infrastructure get exposed is equally part of the problem. The Centrists built this mess over the course of decades, handing the new Right every issue they needed. The current mess was a perfect storm just waiting to happen; it was bound to break loose eventually. Bloody warmongers.
Clark, I have answered this but as all my posts apparently have to be moderated, that particular post has not shown up?
[ Mod: No, there was a server crash and the blog database reverted to a backup from the previous night, so all the comments which were submitted between those two points were lost. It affected everyone, not just you. No comment from you has been held back or deleted since then. ]
I have always been interested in the collapse of the late Bronze Age Palace civilization.
Generally, it has been accepted that the volcanic explosion on Thera followed by Tsunami, was the end game for the Palace civilization of the late Bronze Age. The Bronze age was top down.
It needed a very rich hierarchy to organize and move the Tin.
The Copper, mainly came from near-by Cyprus or Turkey or Spain but it is postulated that the Tin, came from Cornwall.
Much more Copper was needed for Bronze, than Tin.
Tin was probably twenty times more expensive than Copper.
Hence the Tin is moved to near the Copper.
This needs top down organization.
Once this system was disrupted by the Thera Tsunami, the end game was in play for the Bronze age, it might have lasted another one hundred and fifty years. So, the explosion on Thera, 1650 BC was a civilization ending event.Over the last three weeks, more than twenty thousand tremors have been recorded.
Some level five and above, they come about every five minutes.
British Institutions have decided fluids are “swilling ” about, fluids, could be fresh water, could be sea water, could be Methane or could be Magma. Any or which could aid explosive volcanic events.
this is one to watch.
Possibly this could be the most important event in our lives or the swarm could just die down, for now.
Magma swelling has been detected, by British institutions.Michael, yes, the Santorini tremors could herald a super-eruption, as finished off the Minoan civilisation. A Turkish university has reported magma moving beneath the earthquake swarm zone, and accuses the Greek authorities of playing it down so as not to put off the tourist trade.
Of course, if I were to play your role I should be accusing the Turkish scientists of ‘alarmism’, claiming that they are required to play up Greek tremors for Turkish economic advantage or they wouldn’t get grant funding.
How do you decide which way to play it michael? On the face of it your choice seems to be based on what politicians say. Personally I can’t be arsed with one politician in a hundred, and I wouldn’t turn to any of them for a scientific perspective.
Hi Michael
I have an old friend who lives on Kefalonia – the other side of the mainland from Santorini. She tells me that the tremors can be felt on her island, which is causing much distress and anxiety with many residents remembering the devastating quake of 1953 that destroyed all buildings and killing 800 people. Over the last week, there have been reports of oarfish washing up on beaches – the same as on the east coast of Japan before the 2011 quake and tsunami. Not a good sign. Further afield, Etna in Italy, Mt Spurr in Alaska are both exhibiting swarms indicative of volcanic activity.
Don’t think any of this can be attributed to Ed Milliband 😎 – solar activity may be a contributing factor – but if there is a major eruption, it could well herald collapse of this civilisation, but we’ll just have to wait and see.
Clark, apparently not just the Aegean, mainland Italy is also in danger.
Campi flegrei
is the European Super Volcano.
1,000 quakes over last month.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsAsxo7IavU&t=97s
First Phlegraean Period.
It is thought that the eruption of the Archiflegreo volcano occurred about 39,280 ± 110 years erupting about 200 km3 (48 cu mi) of magma (500 km3 (120 cu mi) bulk volume)
so very BIGHi Shibboleth, I did not know where Kefalonia was, so looked it up.
Kefalonia. Amazing that the other side of the mainland, they can feel these modest quakes from the Aegean.
Some of my family are about to go on holiday to Corfu, a little North of Kefalonia.
Volcanic events happening in The East Indies, Ethiopia, Italy, Greece and North America.I wonder if these events are in any way linked?
Yes but the question remains, michael; why trust these scientists but not those?
“I wonder if these events are in any way linked?“
Everything is linked, Michael. The quakes, aurora, hurricanes, whale beaching, the madness and insanity. And the oarfish. I’ve heard the strangest humming for the last two months and feared the worst but discovered today it was just the battery on my hearing aid. A small relief. But it was only renewed four months before and they usually last a couple of years.
I’m not sure if you’re a devotee of a television channel called Blaze. I don’t posses a TV but seemingly its very popular and authoritative on unexplained things. Do you think it could be aliens?
Shibboleth
apparently fishermen from the Greek islands are reporting that about three quarters of the fish have gone.
Not worth them putting out, as so little to catch.
I am assuming that 20,000 quakes have alarmed the fish and they have cleared off, perhaps to the Black sea or western Mediterranean.That’s right michael, just ignore me.
Clark, I know extremely little about volcanism.
It might be that only since the Second World war that scientists have been able to detect and start to interpret what these swarms could mean. I dare say fishermen know their seas. Deep sea critters rising up, would be something they would notice, a harbinger of impending discontinuity/livelyhoods.
Clark, I hope I am wrong, I am starting to get the impression you are trying to goad me, perhaps to get me to upset the mods?MN (to C): “… I am starting to get the impression you are trying to goad me […]”
Looks more like he’s taken on the virtually impossible task of getting a straight answer out of you.
Michael, thanks for responding at all, but you still haven’t answered my question. You have dismissed scientific warnings about the climate and ecological crisis as fabricated on behalf of politicians, yet you take seriously the warnings by volcanologists.
WHY???
What’s the difference? How do YOU determine that this one scientific warning is genuine but that a host of others are fabricated?
You can take that as goading or not as you wish; it is none of my business. I too form impressions of your behaviour, but they are irrelevant to the topic.
“You can take that as goading or not as you wish; it is none of my business. I too form impressions of your behaviour, but they are irrelevant to the topic.”
Clark, thank you for your interest.
Exactly how would you define “the Topic”Are you talking Global Warming, perhaps?
Are you talking volcanism?
Could you define the topic you wish to discuss, please.MN: “Could you define the topic you wish to discuss, please.”
He has, numerous times, very clearly. No offence intended, but you’ve obviously got comprehension problems.
Quote glenn
“No offence intended, but you’ve obviously got comprehension problems.”
I am not sure how that is helpful glenn.The possible explosive events and possible tsunamis in the Aegean, could be almost instantly catastrophic for North Africa, the Middle East and Southern Europe. Even more so if Campi Flegrei kicks off contemporaneously.
As I have stated before, I do accept that humans are increasing the amount of Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
I think it is possible that humans have slightly increased world temperatures.
Possibly, this has more to do with changes in land use, than in increased CO2 in the air.
We have removed old growth forests and now grow single crops, for the most part, crops that are not trees.
We have covered some of the planet in tarmac and in concrete, creating heat islands, if the city is big enough, like London, there is likely to be a considerable rise in temperature in and around that city.
Nothing to do with Carbon dioxide dispersing in the atmosphere.
I am not too bothered about the world getting slightly warmer.
I have also agreed, that one of our main concerns should not be ever more growth using up finite resources at an increasing rate.
Governments, big business and advertising and, yes, disinformation, misinformation are constantly in play here.
They want you to consume more, it is almost as if if you don not consume more, you are a bad person, not doing your bit for GDP.Ok I think we have to accept a few things. 1. It’s Michael’s exclusive thread to explore his musings. 2. Everyone knows his style by now and his habit of not replying to questions. 3. He may not know the answer or can’t formulate a satisfactory response. 4. Like many people, there’s a strong element of dissonance and unwillingness to face the facts (for those who do, it’s an uncomfortable and difficult personal metanoia – not an easy enlightenment).
We don’t know each other save for the impression gained here through posts. In future, if I reply to Michael and he doesn’t respond, then it doesn’t really matter – as frustrating as it might be sometimes. That’s his choice. We can exercise the same option back at him, but let’s not get too hung up about it. It might inform us how to better argue the unarguable. The world is still insane and Scotland committed Seppuku at Twickenham yesterday. I enjoy and respect the comments on this forum, let’s keep it that way. Agree 100% with Naked Capatilism too.
Michael, sure. The topic I’d like to start with is: why do you trust warnings from volcanology, but not from climatology?
