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    michael norton

      Yes, in the new battery world of transportation and battery-storage, we are going to need a different fire service.
      Most likely with more boots on the ground but also a long period of intense scientific training and advanced techniques – perfected.
      I think the scary part is going to be two million on street E.V. chargers, who will be the maintenance people?
      Round my way the council barely collect rubbish, also barely cut the hedges back from the roads, they claim they do not have money.
      It will be the Halloween budget, soon, she will need to stump up a lot of money for the fire brigades.

      #101366 Reply
      michael norton

        It seems that so few, new people are purchasing E.V. cars that factories are shutting in Germany.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EbkhYFYxMw
        China has, maybe, a million E.V. cars, rotting in fields, they can’t sell them.
        If this is the future, it does not seem to be panning out as the Elite wanted?

        #101378 Reply
        michael norton

          So I have a question for Clark.
          If the people of Europe can’t be convinced to go for a Carbon Neutral existence, what do the Elite do next?
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO5geG3wg5M
          VW to close at least three car plants in Germany.

          #101426 Reply
          michael norton

            If we in the U.K. are to quickly move to a Non-Carbon-Future, where everything imaginable is powered by electricity produced cleanly, we are going to need a phenomenal quantity of processed Copper. As far as I know, we no longer mine Copper in the British Isles.
            So this phenomenal quantity of Copper, will be blasted out of the rock, causing Carbon to be released and rejoin its mates in the atmosphere. Probably this new Copper will come from South America or Southern Africa or Indonesia or Australia. This process will most likely use Methane to power much of the machinery for crushing, floating , grading. Diesel powered trucks will be used to move the ores.
            this will then need to be transported to a plant that will convert the ore into Copper sheet, or bar, this will also use a lot of energy. Lets hope much of this energy will be clean electricity.
            Next problem, the new U.K. Administration have claimed they will build 1,500,000 homes, all electric.
            I wonder where the plastic will be produced that insulates the Copper wires?
            Do we think this plastic will come from Methane or Oil?
            The N.H.S. currently uses a lot of “one use stuff” that is made from Methane or Oil.

            What is the Labour answer to this conundrum?

            #101429 Reply
            michael norton

              I actually had a go at tapping a rubber tree, in Malaya, forty-fifty years ago.
              It takes between five and ten years before a rubber plantation is viable for rubber production.

              Intercropping young rubber trees with bananas can increase growth and yield, and reduce the length of the unproductive phase.

              Intercropping is stunningly important for our future.
              If we are to move away from Methane and oil, we will need to plant much rubber.
              i would consider, replanting rubber, as a good move.

              #101486 Reply
              michael norton

                Check this out
                Critical Mineral Recovery,
                Junction City, Fredericktown, Missouri.

                Massive fire at one of the world’s largest and most sophisticated E.V. battery recycling places.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clFMazztSA8

                #101495 Reply
                michael norton

                  Ed Milliband’s dream to cost a fortune

                  “require an average of £40bn in investment a year”

                  New routes of (1,000 K. of lines) pylons to go up within the next few years, to meet Carbon Zero, by 2030?
                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c207113jz73o
                  It is going to be a very speedy roll out.

                  #101503 Reply
                  DiggerUK

                    “What is the Labour answer to this conundrum” asks Michael Norton.

                    Their answer is Ed Miliband. Be afraid…_

                    #101545 Reply
                    Clark
                      #101546 Reply
                      Clark

                        Oh wow. It turns out the UK eventually dug up and burned three inches of itself!

                        https://xkcd.com/2992/

                        #101621 Reply
                        michael norton

                          Fredricktown, Critical Mineral Recovery – fire -update
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bas81OsV9Y
                          Lithium ion battery recovery plant, most likely will have to be completely demolished.
                          Dead fish in the river.

                          #101661 Reply
                          michael norton

                            The sun finally came out yesterday, it had not been seen for almost a fortnight.
                            There also has been no wind for a fortnight. It also has not rained for a fortnight.
                            So even, if we had, had fifty percent more hydroelectric, fifty percent more solar and fifty percent more wind turbines, it would barely had helped. They have no shut down our last coal fired electricity production facility.
                            They want to reduce the base load of electricity produced by North Sea Gas.
                            How will our electricity system function without base load/back up?

                            If the blades on turbines are not realistically able to be recycled and if the maximum life of a wind turbine is twenty five years, where will they put the used blades?
                            If the maximum life of a solar farm is twenty years, other than the metal frames, nothing else is recycled, where will they put the solar residue?
                            Where will our nuclear fuel waste be deposited?

                            Remember renewable electricity is not actually renewable, every few years the plant needs replacing, this will have to go on, all the time humanity has civilisation.
                            We will need deep pockets and very deep holes to bury this stuff.
                            We will also need a much bigger fire brigade to deal with the E.V. related fires.
                            As the grid is expected to grow by 400%, as we come to almost entirely be reliant of clean electricity, these problems
                            will be profound.

                            #101665 Reply
                            michael norton

                              Renewable – sustainable
                              maybe, what we should be concentrating on, is sustainable energy?
                              Pick a system – then see if you could sustain it over the next one thousand years, blink of an eye, in the timeline of human existence.

                              #101723 Reply
                              michael norton

                                Imagine, you think nuclear power is the way to go.
                                Let’s guess a nuclear power station could last for fifty years.
                                In one thousand years, that station would be replaced about twenty times.
                                Each time, it takes one hundred years for the site to be fully wound down.
                                So, one unit of nuclear power would need twenty sites, over the course of one thousand years.
                                This is putting to one side the spent nuclear fuel, that needs to be dealt with.
                                The concrete from a dismantled nuclear site cannot be reprocessed, it would have to be dumped at sea, or dumped down a coal shaft or something.
                                So, I ask, is this system of producing electricity sustainable over one thousand years?

                                #101773 Reply
                                michael norton

                                  The equivalent of 11% of produced electricity, in Australia, is used just to perform comminution.
                                  Meaning that a huge amount of Australia’s power is used to break rock for mineral extraction.
                                  Multiples of Copper extraction will be needed in the Brave New World.
                                  Much power will be required to turn that rock into usable Copper products.

                                  #101794 Reply
                                  michael norton

                                    The plummet in E.V. demand,
                                    with its data showing that new car registrations in the United Kingdom remain a fifth lower than pre-Covid.
                                    The Labour Government are not going to budge an inch, they would rather see the car firms go to the wall than allow more IC cars to be made or sold in Britain.
                                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6je5w7n3yo
                                    They have shut the Coal mines, they have shut the Coal fired electricity stations, we are now importing record amounts of electricity, we can’t keep up with demand with our Wind and Solar facilities, this imbalance will get worse.
                                    They have shut the South Wales Steel mills, they are shutting the Scottish refinery.
                                    This country will be a waste land, soon.
                                    At least we will have lower CO2 than any other country on Earth

                                    #101852 Reply
                                    michael norton

                                      Stellantis
                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellantis
                                      As of 2023, Stellantis was the world’s fourth-largest automaker by sales, in the world.

                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWbkteB3mNM

                                      Stellantis have been in talks with the U.K. government, about battery cars.
                                      They are in panic mode, most car manufacturers are.
                                      The E.V. mandates are killing the new car market.
                                      Ordinary people do not want to buy them.
                                      Within a year, they can be worth 1/2 the purchase price – or less.

                                      #101853 Reply
                                      michael norton

                                        Ford to cut 800 U.K. jobs as electric car sales nosedive.
                                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20626dy9d6o
                                        Quote BBC
                                        “The company said it had to act because of difficult trading conditions, including intense competition and weak demand for electric vehicles.”

                                        there you have it.
                                        Weak demand for the mandated Electric Vehicles.
                                        Over to Ed Milliband.

                                        #101864 Reply
                                        ET

                                          Michael, a cursory search for UK EV sales figures will show you that sales are up on the same period last year and that EVs are taking an increasing share of the used car market. EVs are second only to petrol ICE cars.
                                          The stats point to the increase in EV sales being fleet based with a decrease in private buyer sales but overall EVs sales are an increasing proportion of car sales.

                                          You might want to revise you figures. Perhaps it’s Ford that has the problem with its poor offering.

                                          #101865 Reply
                                          michael norton

                                            ET you are partially correct.
                                            Yes, mandated E.V. sales are up. however , that is mainly by firms.
                                            Councils are very keen to purchase E.V. because they can then point to their green idials.
                                            My point is that ordinary people, punters, are not buying E.V.

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