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That didn’t take long to find. Yes, explosives are used in firefighting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_well_fire
– “Oil well fires are more difficult to extinguish than regular fires due to the enormous fuel supply for the fire. In fighting a fire at a wellhead, typically high explosives, such as dynamite, are used to create a shockwave that pushes the burning fuel and local atmospheric oxygen away from a well. (This is a similar principle to blowing out a candle.)”
In your scenario, were these military explosive experts still in the military? In which case, how do you imagine Silverstein got them? Rang the Pentagon? … er, no, they were busy. Just how do you commandeer a crack squad of special dark operatives during an event like 911?
And if you imagine they are ex-military, how does that work? Do these 40-strong team all hang out together in a gang hut with all their specialist equipment and explosives on hand, ready to load their vans and rush off at the drop of a hat?What? Are you now suggesting NY fire dept blew up WTC7?
After years of being “puzzled” by WTC7, following the Prof Hulsey investigation, Clark now says the whole thing is easy to explain, little more (not) credible than his twin tower shock theory!
Yep, I think the Fire Department was central to it. A&E9/11Truth are accidentally trying to bust a load of heroes.
– “I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.”
It was firefighters warning people to move back, because the building was about to blow up. All afternoon, it was firefighters expecting WTC7 to collapse. It was a fireman who gave the interview that WTC7 “would either fall down, or be taken down”. And it was the Fire Department who most needed it down, to continue searching for the Brothers.
All the evidence points to the fire department. And they ain’t the bad guys.
Node, it’s a psi-op. A&E9/11Truth are being scammed into pointing the finger at about the only blameless, heroic group in the whole sorry mess.
Teardrop on the fire.
WTC7 Around 4PM: Nelson & DeMentri — 3rd Raw Version from NIST (Enhanced Quality) 07:22
This answers most of you April 18, 21:43 objections; from Jennings’ account we know that a hole had been made in the back of WTC7, and there was hardly anyone at the back all afternoon because of the exclusion zone.
In the above, a TV news team set off from among a group of firefighters to get footage of WTC7 prior to collapse. Listen to the background chatter very carefully from the beginning, at around 0:09, up to and especially at 0:30 to 0:32… This is a NIST FOA release; I think NIST might have dropped us a clue. They’re engineers, not Men in Black, and they can’t have been happy about having to publish a fabricated report.
All the evidence points to the fire department.
Clark, I’ve seen you do this several times over the years – notice that something is remotely possible then latch onto it as a certainty. Lead from batteries causing the stream of molten metal, spur of the moment demolition, now NYFD blowing up WTC7.
Leave it. It didn’t happen, I am not going to waste time arguing about it. Forest fires and oilwells, very occasionally, are extinguished with explosives by outside specialists like Red Adair. If firemen have ever blown up a building, which I doubt, it certainly is infrequent enough that every city does not hold a squad of 40 trained experts in readiness, complete with enough specialist equipment and materials to tackle a 47-story building.
Node, I have an exercise for you. Make an estimate of the quantity of molten metal that streamed from that tower, and use that to calculate how much thermite would have been required to melt it. Then multiply that up for all the other locations you think that thermite would have been used.
WTC7 – thermite around the bases of the core columns, constrained by sandbags perhaps? Or maybe the transfer trusses, which were a few floors up.
– “notice that something is remotely possible then latch onto it as a certainty”
What, like rigging three working buildings for demolition when thousands of staff were visiting them every day you mean?
Of course, if you’ve closed your mind, you’ll never change it. And the longer you keep it closed, the harder it’ll be to ever open it again.
I don’t know what happened to WTC7. I’ve got a pretty good idea what happened to the Twin Towers, and I owe Pooh some of my time. Do you know the momentum formulae and can you use them, Node? This thread is getting slow and overburdened. We should open another for momentum transfer in the Twin Towers, and insist that everyone stays strictly on-topic.
What, like rigging three working buildings for demolition when thousands of staff were visiting them every day you mean?
At least three notable anomalous events occurred at the World Trade Center in the weeks and months leading up to September 11, 2001, which may have related to the imminent terrorist attacks but could not have been caused by al-Qaeda, the group supposedly responsible for 9/11.
There was an increase in security at the Trade Center in the two weeks before 9/11, for reasons that are unclear, which only ended the day before the attacks. Also, the fire alarm system in World Trade Center Building 7 was placed on “test condition” every morning in the seven days before the attacks and on the day of 9/11. While it was in this mode, any alarms would be ignored. WTC 7 was a massive skyscraper located just north of the Twin Towers, which mysteriously collapsed late in the afternoon of September 11. And some of the elevators in the Twin Towers were out of service in the months before the attacks, supposedly due to maintenance work or modernization.
It seems odd that these events happened at the World Trade Center just before the Twin Towers were the target of a terrorist attack and three of the Trade Center buildings collapsed. It would have been notable if just one of them occurred in the period leading up to 9/11. The fact that all three did is remarkable.
My 12:05 comment is hopelessly understated. Rigging the two larger of those buildings for some unique, never seen before and indeed unnecessary demolition, based on thermitic melting rather than explosive fracture, designed to simulate progressive collapse so well that it convinced virtually the entire global mechanical engineering and fire safety communities, risking the possibility that one of the aircraft might not arrive, of buildings over three times the height of any explosively demolished before, and succeeding twice with no rehearsal.
– “notice that something is remotely possible then latch onto it as a certainty”
Where is access to the Twin Towers’ elevators meant to get you Node? Just some U&D of FUD? The elevators were in the cores, and we know from the video record that the cores stood after the floors had smashed through and the perimeters had peeled away. And the descending wave of ejections you attribute to explosives, or slow, slow thermite (but which had to happen anyway) were all around the perimeters.
Node, I have an exercise for you. Make an estimate of the quantity of molten metal that streamed from that tower, and use that to calculate how much thermite would have been required to melt it
I don’t know if it was thermite, thermate or something else they used, or how they may have used it. I don’t have enough information to make an informed guess.
Now I have an excercise for you.
(1) Check the colour of molten lead. Is it a bright yellow-white? What about steel?
(2) Were huge quantities of molten lead found under the rubble weeks later? How about steel?
(3) How many batteries would you have to melt to make a river a metre wide for 40 seconds? How much steel was present?
(4) Rooms on the perimeter with windows were scarce and desirable. Why would they use one as a back-up battery storage room?
(5) There are many reasons for reinforcing floors. Can you even prove there were using lead batteries as backup?Here are the two articles which proposed and investigated the idea of a battery room meltdown:
First article: proposal.
Second article: NIST confirmation.
As for colour, we’re watching a video, and video is subject to an adjustment called “white balance”.
As for colour, we’re watching a video, and video is subject to an adjustment called “white balance”
White balance applies across the whole frame, not to selective pixels.
I’m done here for now.What did the Fire Department say about their involvement in WTC7 demolition?
Here’s a sequence of photographs from an apartment across the water showing the collapses of both the Twin Towers. Note, as I keep saying, that the major dust cloud starts welling up from lower levels as the collapse reaches ground. Comparatively, hardly any dust is left higher up in the space just vacated by the collapsing tower. There is much grey material during collapse, but it must be larger debris because it falls, leaving the air relatively clear. This effect is most clearly seen for the first collapse; wtc-44.jpg and wtc-45.jpg show it very clearly; just a wisp of smoke left above building height where the top two thirds of WTC2 was, and lower, among the buildings still standing, an enormous billowing, spreading cloud of dust:
http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/index.html
The Twin Towers were NOT “blasted into dust in mid air”. Their remnants crushed themselves into dust as they hit the ground, just as would be expected.
The chief of the fire department denied all knowledge of the ‘phone call Larry Silverstein spoke of.
Very interesting site, that 11-settembre.blogspot. It has a very credible explanation for “pools of molten steel”:
http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/12/molten-metal-pools-may-have-simple.html
It also has several photos of the steel debris salvaged from the site. Columns bent completely back upon themselves, clear evidence of structural failure.
https://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/whistleblower-wtc-blueprints.html
– “White balance applies across the whole frame, not to selective pixels”
Well, precisely. If there’s a blue background, blue intensity for the entire frame will be reduced by automatic white balance, so other colours will be displayed with less blue than they would have had, changing them towards red/green, ie. yellow.
But really this tells us nothing. Whatever came out of that environment would inevitably contain many substances.
I think what I find most intriguing is why members of the so-called Truth Movement advocate in such a biased manner for the unevidenced narrative of Twin Tower pre-rigged demolition. I can understand anti-Semites wanting to pin it on Silverstein, but most Truthers complain that claims of anti-Semitism in the Truth Movement is merely a slur deployed to discredit them.
