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Funny, a few years ago David Cameron invited Xi Jinping to his Oxfordshire constituency and they had fish and chips and beer in David’s local boozer. A whole new World of Chinese money was grasped. Then Donald Trump decided the U.K. must give up Chinese 5G Huawei.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53403793I think most contributors on here despise Donald Trump and think he is idiotic but most of what Donald put in place (exception of Global Warming) is being done by Democrat Jo Biden.
“I think most contributors on here despise Donald Trump and think he is idiotic”
Not initially MN, he offered a promise of change that he didn’t keep. He was always a pig of a man (would you want to go for a pint with him?), and he did say many idiotic things. I think he was used by the USA foreign policy establishment to readjust to a more agressive anti-china policy which they could blame on an anomalous Trump but continue with anyway. Basically, it comes down to if you trade or co-operate with China you are “feeding the beast” and an enemy of USA. I posted a YT video of a debate between John Mearsheimer an american foreign policy “thinker” and Hugh White an aussie counterpart. It’s a bit long but well worth a watch right through including the Q+A at the end.
I see Japan is urging Europe to counter China more agressively today. So do you want to be part of an American or Chinese empire? I’d prefer neither. Do the Chinese really want an empire? In the long run my money would be on the Chinese to win out but I don’t want to be subjugated by either USA or China.
– “most of what Donald put in place […] is being done by Democrat Jo Biden.”
Yep. The president isn’t nearly as significant as people think.
“Macrocosm dominates microcosm” – structures dominate the people they consist of.
Some things are obviously linked, maybe unintentionally or maybe intentionally.
David Cameron, when he was U.K. Prime minister hosted Xi Jinping, we were to become great buddies. It frightened me at the time, I knew this would end badly, the U.K. was about to be eaten alive by Communist China.
As if by magic, along came Brexit and David Cameron was yesterday’s fish and chip paper.
Boris Johnson was born in New York as was Boris Johnson, like two peas in a blond pod.
America (Donald Trump) came to understand that there is no future in having almost everything made on the cheap in China, they will eventually have you by the balls, then the price goes up as their workers want more and more.
So, Donald’s Big idea was Make America Great Again, which I think means make stuff in America again with American money and American leadership and with American workers, on the pipeline he insisted that the iron and coal cam from America, the steel was to be made in America and the pipes were to be made in America, to move American Oil and Gas or Canadian Oil or gas. Frack oil and gas in America. Elon Musk, who at first was friends with Donald, has a vertical system, he buys the land, has his own factory built all the stuff is manufactured by his firm, mostly under one roof, the cars are moved by rail, alright he does not own the railway and the Lithium, for now comes from The Atacama. He does have plans to mine Lithium in America, also to reuse the Lithium after end of battery life.
America is done with Europe and the Middle East, it is shifting to the Indo-Pacific.I can’t despise Donald Trump, nor any other politicians or media personalities because they aren’t fully real to me, not like a person I meet in real life. They’re images on a screen, quotes in media etc. With media, never forget that really we’re just staring at a sheet of cleverly illuminated plastic and listening to two pieces of vibrating cardboard, and everything we see and hear has been carefully selected and edited by a massive team, coordinated by a system that has changed slowly for the worse over the course of decades.
And never forget that we are that system’s product, not its customers. We’re an audience, being sold to advertisers. Even if we pay for our newspaper or TV channel, 2/3 of its income comes from advertising. The “news” is essentially bait, as is the rest of its output. That’s why “news” comes in various political flavours.
I’m pretty sure I’d dislike Trump in real life, but I did speak up for him at the Quaker meeting I attend. Quakers are very diverse; the meeting I attend consists mostly of atheists, but something that unites them (us? I haven’t actually joined) is our opposition to war and injustice. At meeting, someone spoke in criticism of Trump. I thought for a bit, and then spoke myself, pointing out that he was the first US president in a very long time who hadn’t actually started a major war. Credit where it’s due.
Michael, regarding your 18:10 comment – humanity and all the nations must learn to cooperate or the entire edifice of our civilisations will fall in pieces around us and we or our descendants will die by the billions – if we don’t kill each other first, as resources run short, with our nukes and modified viruses. Despite modern ideas about progress we are dependent upon nature, not her master. Unrestrained competition would be the undoing of us.
After this humiliation The French will now be re-evaluating their role in Nato. Emmanuel Macron is the man who described Nato two years ago as “brain-dead”. He will not have changed his mind.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58614229This AUKUS pact and the America rapid an unexpected pullout of Afghanistan are good lesson to Ukraine, |¦| the Americans will not stand by you, focus has shifted away from Russia/Europe into the Indo-Pacific.
Michael, many nation states in Europe are in NATO. They are not blind. AUKUS could precipitate the breakup of NATO and the formation instead of a united European military alliance.
The BBC article – its propaganda is so thick you could cut it with a knife, eg:
– “The fact is that the Australians calculated they had underestimated the Chinese threat and so needed to boost their level of deterrence.”
Surely this is nonsense? By far the greatest part of Australia’s trade is with China, so what is there for Australia to “deter”? It seems more likely that the “Anglo-Saxons”, as Renaud Girard put it, have coerced the Australian government, and history bears this out; a democratically elected Australian Prime Minister was replaced by order of the English Monarch in recent history, and Australia is infested with US military bases, yet there are no potential US targets within a thousand miles.
In light of the above, the following BBC statement is also nonsense. Referring to Australia, the BBC author wrote:
– It is almost the definition of a nation: a group of people who have come together to defend their own interests. Their own, not others’.
Compare trade with conflict; which is more in the interests of the people? Yet here is the Australian government defending the interests of the US-UK alliance, literally on the other side of the world.
Governments do not serve their people. Not here, not in China, the US, Australia, nor nearly any other place you can think of. Democracy is corruptible, power corrupts, and the evidence bears it out – power has corrupted democracy.
If I were Chinese Emperor, invading UK or Europe would be last on my list. My eye would be on the Asian part of Russia.
If I were Russian I would be equally scared of Europeans and Chinese.The only thing about these subs that makes it easier for Australia to get nuclear weapons is that they could sail to other countries and collect them.
I did read this a few days ago but it only struck home on rereading in in the consortum news article, AUKUS: Activists Blast the ‘Anti-China’ Military Pact.
Critics of the alliance, however, worry that it “could still indirectly spur the proliferation of weapons” by setting “a dangerous precedent for countries to exploit a loophole in the NPT,” The Guardian reported. The NPT allows countries without atomic bombs, such as Australia, “to build nuclear-powered submarines, and to remove the fissile material they need for the submarine reactors from the stockpile monitored by the global watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, opening up the possibility it could be diverted to making weapons.
Given the stockpiles of fissile material nuclear countries already have it’s probably not that relevant in the grand scheme of things but it still gives pause for thought.
Oh it’s proliferation all right. Proliferation of nuclear submarines, which are far more capable than diesel-electric submarines; see Moon of Alabama’s map. And NPT or none, how is anyone to know what weapons are on board? Government promises? It is most definitely a big step in the wrong direction; we need rid of as much weaponry as possible before the shit hits the fan and governments start launching weapons at ordinary people, because that can only make things worse.
United Kingdom Ministers are understood to be hoping to use the Aukus defence pact with Australia and the US to create a new base in the Indo-Pacific region. Under the plans the Navy’s £1.4bn Astute-class attack submarines would undergo maintenance in Australia rather than the Faslane naval base in Scotland.
This is because Scotland does not want the Royal Navy in Scotland.
Independence must be close.– “Scotland does not want the Royal Navy in Scotland”
The Sturgeon (Murrell) government has, I think, agreed to lease the Faslane site to England in the event of independence.
Another example of governments representing the powerful rather than the people. The nuclear bases and dockyards in Scotland (Coulport and Rosythe too) are extremely unpopular with the people; “Bairns not Bombs” stickers everywhere.
As the focus of the U.S.A. shifts from Europe/Russia and the Middle East to the Indo-Pacific, |¦|
there is a good chance that America will begin to leave Syria alone. |¦|
Then there is a good chance that Syria can start to heal and rebuild. |¦|
Possibly Israel will become less important to America and possibly Saudi Arabia will begin to revert to unimportance and we switch away from Oil.3,256 miles between the Australian HMAS Stirling submarine base, near Perth to Diego Garcia. About five days for an Astute to sail between
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Stirling
2,935 miles from HMS Jufair, Gulf of Persia to Diego Garcia.
So, I can not see the U.K./U.S.A. giving up Diego Garcia.When Scotland becomes Independent, I expect all the Royal Navy Facilities will be as quickly as possible be shifted to other locations, outside of Scotland. Unless workers are nearing retirement I expect they would also shift South, so they could retain their employment.
Are we expecting that these workers will have to choose, either to be Scottish and no longer work for the Royal Navy or will they just retain their U.K. status?
In anyway a massive loss of income for Scotland, would go, when the Royal Navy goes.– “When Scotland becomes Independent, I expect all the Royal Navy Facilities will be as quickly as possible be shifted to other locations, outside of Scotland.”
I don’t. The way the SNP leadership has been acting, and the number of neocons accumulating at the head of the party, I expect the SNP to keep the nukes and make a bid to become a leading light in either NATO or the new AUKUS. The top of the SNP has been filling up with warmongers for a few years now; their treatment of both Craig and Alex Salmond, their apparent indifference about Assange, and their new-found silence about Palestine are all consistent with this.
Of course, the membership of the party might foil this, but a lot of them seem to be too busy shouting about gender issues.
Scotland powers ahead building a new class of warship for the Royal Navy.
Work has officially started on a £1.25bn project to build five new warships for the Royal Navy.
United Kingdom Defence Secretary Ben Wallace cut the first steel for the first Type 31 frigate – HMS Venturer – due to be built by Babcock at Rosyth in Fife.
The fleet’s construction will support about 1,250 highly skilled jobs at Babcock and lead to an additional 150 apprenticeships.
It is also expected to support a further 1,250 UK supply chain roles.
BBC News – Construction work starts on new Type 31 warships (23 Sep 2021)
Wow, this must be symbolic.
The first Type 31 being built at Rosyth will be known as HMS Venturer,
wait for it … it is named after the World War 2 submarine HMS Venturer, the only submarine ever to have, while underwater, destroyed an enemy submarine in underwater battle, symbolises technology and innovation.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Venturer_(Type_31_frigate)
So they have chosen this name with purpose.Apparently the “advantage” the Astute has over the French Suffren class |¬¶|
is the Royal Navy Astute has a smaller, higher potency reactor. |¦|
I practise, the Astute reactor is fueled for the life of the submarine.
The French submarines are expected to be taken out of service and refuelled a couple of times during their working life. |¦|
This may mean that the French subs have a slightly extended overall life |¦|
but they will have one or two long fuel re-fits.
With the French subs, you will need more subs to achieve the same coverage.
So far, none of the Suffren class are on active duty, they still rely on the Rubis class, |¦|
of which only four are active.
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The Astute Reactor is fuelled only once. The Astute can circumnavigate the World without surfacing.
The Astute submarine is leaps ahead of the French Attack Submarine.Angry Macron, shifts his attention from the Indo-Pacific to the Eastern Mediterranean Basin.
“Tensions between Greece and Turkey have been rising over “Disputed Waters/Natural Gas Reserves” in the Eastern Mediterranean that contain massive fossil fuel reserves.
When Macron was asked whether this deal risked raising tensions in the eastern Mediterranean, Macron said the accord did not target a country specifically, but Greece, as the outer border of the European Union needed to be protected.
I don’t get the feeling that in the summer of 2020 it was Greece that was bellicose in the eastern Mediterranean, Macron said, alluding to Turkish actions in the region.”
Actually, in this case, Macron is correct, Turkey, although nominally part of NATO has been going rogue.
I expect Macron has been tipped the wink by Uncle Joe.
Turkey is wanting to purchase more missiles from Russia.“Under the agreement Athens agreed to buy three frigates from France with an option to buy a fourth. The accord, part of a broader strategic military and defence cooperation pact, comes after Athens had already ordered some 24 Dassault-made Rafale fighter jets this year, making it the first European Union country to buy the fighter jet.
“This will tie us for decades,” Mitsotakis said.
“This opens the door to the Europe of tomorrow that is strong and autonomous, capable of defending its interests.”
This will infuriate the Turkish Regime, who are currently warming up to Putin.
Watch this run.– “Disputed Waters/Natural Gas Reserves” in the Eastern Mediterranean that contain massive fossil fuel reserves.
Do you think there should be war over these reserves?
And what do you suppose “massive” means? By which I mean, how long would these reserves last at current consumption rates?
Clark
He provided links to an article in another thread about East Med.
I am sorry but I still believe all those threads do not make sense.
I was informed that Climate the science etc. was meant to be about Climate
and yet we talk about old days when we where kids.
This is wrong thread and I apologize!
Yes I am aware that on the right is latest posts but if 3 of them are on same topics You would miss other comments.
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