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  • #47650
    Tatyana

      Links

      • COSMOS‘ (YouTube) – The Earth and Moon – at the ‘ Enchanted Forest ‘ Pitlochry, Scotland 2019
      • World Leaders Group‘ (FaceBook) – Ukraine’s new President Zelensky brings his sense of humor to office. He gathered his former comic troupe behind the hit show which propelled him to office, Servant of the People, to entertain the guests of this year’s YES Conference. Check out this take on the “World Leaders Group” chat he just joined.
      #47671
      Pyewacket

        Tatiana, with regards to the number of satellites, I meant thousands in the plural. I’ve heard that eventually 5G will employ an extra 20,000 of the things, beaming down onto every spot on Earth, emitting radiaation at frequencies that some consider harmful.

        #47672
        Brianfujisan

          Hatuey… Ya gotta Give Creddo to THat Instant Reply. That Girl is Sharp.

          #47678
          Tatyana

            Thank you, moderators for editing, looks much more better!

            Nice Saturday morning in Russia.
            The school it taking kids on a journey for this week-end, so I expect more free time 🙂 Hope to drag more people here.

            #47683
            Tatyana

              Pyewacket
              I know one person is quite obsessed by launching things into space 🙂 Ilon Mask. Must be his idea. He is never shy in the scales of his projects.

              I recently passed the music fun test and learned from it that Voyager carries a golden disk into the space, and the disk contains “Die Hole Rache”. Surprised with the choice. What if some extraterrestrials understand it? They would think we are all mad here on Earth 🙂 A mother with a knife cursing her daughter and making those “a-ha-ha-ha-ha”…
              https://youtu.be/OLlux8ICOfI

              Why not choose Casta Diva? A woman prays for peace. Divine music. Maria Callas is iconic, but I like this video with Rene Fleming better, because there’s flute in the beginning
              https://youtu.be/Rg4L5tcxFcA

              #47687
              Clark

                Hello Tatyana, and thank you for posting about Sputnik.

                Please would you tell us what you know of the story of the Mir space station?

                Has anyone here read Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon? Here is a song that it inspired, which sends shivers up my spine and never fails to make me cry:

                “Why these mountains?
                – Why this sky?
                – This long road?
                – This empty room?

                #47690
                Tatyana

                  Hi, Clark, welcome here 🙂

                  Shame, I know near to nothing about Mir. But my husband’s education is exactly this field of knowlege. if you have specific questions, I can ask him and translate for you.

                  Googled for the Gravity’s Rainbow, seems like something hard to read!?

                  #47693
                  Tatyana

                    well, I expected it will be a lazy week-end. No sheduled visits, plenty of free time. Deciding on how to spend this day is like listening to the Angel and the Devil sitting on your shoulders 🙂

                    – Go to your studio and work on your new project!
                    – Studio is in the half-basement.
                    – It is cozy there.
                    – But it is depressing to stay underground in the daytime.
                    – But the new project…
                    – And poor internet sygnal
                    – But the new project…
                    – And you have orange marmalade, and you can quikly coock a pile of pancakes
                    – Pancakes and marmalade add extra centimeters to your backside, Tanya. Go to the studio. You’ve got a lot of work!
                    – And you have the whole James Bond film collection, start with Casino Royal

                    When I can’t decide, I think “What if it’s the last day of my life? What if I die tomorrow?”

                    Finally, I decided it’s better to die fat and happy, rather then slim and tired 🙂 Still can’t understand if it were the Angel who voted for pancakes 🙂

                    #47694
                    Clark

                      Maybe. It’s something to let yourself read whenever you happen to be in the right mood. A lot of it is quite surreal. I enjoyed going with its flow, but when I tried to impose meaning upon it I just got confused.
                      – – – – – – –

                      No, I don’t have questions, but I’d love to hear your experience, like what was on television or in the papers, and what people thought of it. I often watch the ISS go over, and I wish I had thought to look for Mir back before 2001.

                      “Mir (Russian: Мир, IPA: [ˈmʲir]; lit. peace or world) was a space station that operated in low Earth orbit from 1986 to 2001, operated by the Soviet Union and later by Russia. Mir was the first modular space station and was assembled in orbit from 1986 to 1996. It had a greater mass than any previous spacecraft. At the time it was the largest artificial satellite in orbit, succeeded by the International Space Station (ISS) after Mir’s orbit decayed. The station served as a microgravity research laboratory in which crews conducted experiments in biology, human biology, physics, astronomy, meteorology, and spacecraft systems with a goal of developing technologies required for permanent occupation of space.

                      – Mir was the first continuously inhabited long-term research station in orbit and held the record for the longest continuous human presence in space at 3,644 days, until it was surpassed by the ISS on 23 October 2010.[13] It holds the record for the longest single human spaceflight, with Valeri Polyakov spending 437 days and 18 hours on the station between 1994 and 1995. Mir was occupied for a total of twelve and a half years out of its fifteen-year lifespan, having the capacity to support a resident crew of three, or larger crews for short visits.”

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir

                      USSR / Russia has always been ahead in spaceflight, especially human spaceflight. That’s why the USA is so scared of Russia.

                      #47699
                      Tatyana

                        Clark, the reviews on the Russian translation of this book do not recommend reading it, and my English is not good enough to read the original, I’m afraid.

                        I remember almost nothing about the Mir, it was removed from orbit and drowned in 2001, and for me it was the first year of work experience and the first marriage.
                        A year earlier, the tragedy of Kursk submarine happened, that case I remember well.

                        #47703
                        N_

                          If we can all post whatever connections we want in this forum, I’d like to mention that although Yuri Gagarin was the first person in space and also the first to orbit the Earth he was not the first animal in either category. The first animal in space was Albert, a rhesus macaque monkey who died of suffocation on a US-fired German-developed V2 rocket in 1948.

                          The first animal to orbit the Earth was Laika, a stray dog found on the streets of Moscow who was an unwilling victim of the USSR’s Sputnik-2 program in 1957. Having been forced to undergo experimentation in a centrifuge, she was kept during the flight in a tiny container in which she suffered a very high level of stress and overheating which killed her. Decades later, Lieutenant General Oleg Gazenko who trained the animals for the programme apologised. Unfortunately his apology was pathetic because he couched it in cost-benefit terms.

                          The abuse of non-human animals in early space programmes was met with protest demonstrations in a number of countries. One of these took place in 1957 outside the Soviet embassy in London and opposed the use of dogs in the Sputnik 2 programme. Participants included the great Lizzi Lind af Hageby, then in her 80th year.

                          #47705
                          Brianfujisan

                            Humans are the New / old Monkey .. wars that we cant learn from.

                            Tatayana..I agree with Clark..your Husband’s Expertise sounds Kool

                            #47706
                            Clark

                              I suspect that Gravity’s Rainbow wouldn’t translate well (and would give a translator a headache!); if you’re going to read it, read it in its original US English.

                              It’s a shame you know little of Mir; it was a wonderful project. Maybe Russian media should highlight it more.

                              #47707
                              Brianfujisan

                                Roger waters was Last seen on these Shores as he sang ‘ Wish You Were Here ‘ in London…In support for Julian..

                                however this is touching too.. From Roger..I think.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MySqsrnCF8

                                #47711
                                Clark

                                  Empathy for non-human animals was very low in those days, and they had even less protection than they do now. Relative to other industries the various space programmes were very minor offenders, though offenders nevertheless. The domestic consumption market must have tortured tens of millions of animals; anti-litigation testing of domestic cleaning agents, cosmetics etc. And then there’s always meat…

                                  #47712
                                  Tatyana

                                    Yes, I agree, it’s a shame.
                                    But I know the latest gossip on ISS. Do you know anything of drilling in the ISS? We know 🙂
                                    Someone even wrote a fun verse in russian:

                                    Разлила ночь любви елей
                                    И тихо спит осенний лес
                                    А где-то травят Скрипалей
                                    И дрель жужжит на МКС

                                    it translates something like this (I try to keep the rhythm):

                                    The night has spilled the chrism of love
                                    The autumn forest is serene
                                    While someone’s poisoning Skripals
                                    And the ISS hears the sound of a drill

                                    #47713
                                    Tatyana

                                      N_, glad you’re here 🙂
                                      Yes, it must be the same moderation rules, but we are not to keep to a certain topic.

                                      On the problem of animals in the space I agree with Clark. We eat meeat, and we do not count white rats in laboratories, so …

                                      #47714
                                      Tatyana

                                        Roger Waters has integrity, he is brave man to say what he think and to support what he believes to be right. I’m grateful he said his word on the White helmets.

                                        What do you like most in his music, Brianfujisan?

                                        #47718
                                        Brianfujisan

                                          Gawd. there is so much Tatyana

                                          My Main Man is Peter Gabriel

                                          But Floyd Echoes is Sublime –

                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSJPEZpHKFg

                                          #47721
                                          Tatyana

                                            if you appreciate the art of body plastic, you may like this. It’s etnic fusion
                                            https://youtu.be/kLmepH3L7r8?list=LL4WhZsyJPmOPXAA6sc1yaug

                                            #47729
                                            N_

                                              @Tatyana – I don’t eat meat or any other parts of dead animal. There’s a long history of opposition to vivisection and other cruel experiments on amimals (this is one reason I mentioned Lizzi Lind af Hageby), including experiments on rats. Much of my family was from Battersea: I was born anti-vivisectionist.

                                              #47730
                                              Tatyana

                                                well, I eat meat. I thought about it once.

                                                I believe that billions of billions of cells which lived here on this planet, developed and evolutioned to form a structure, that finally appeared to be my body – the memory, the experience, the culture and co-working mechanisms of these numerous cells must not be forgotten, non-trusted and betrayed.
                                                It’s like respect for the soldiers who died for me living now.

                                                I know that we are no longer lower animals and have brains (or rather, we differ from them in the more developed gray matter of the brain). But this structure of our organisms appeared relatively recently and its authority is, honestly, doubtful – look at what is going on in the world.

                                                I studied biology quite deeply, and I want to say that if you peer into the membrane of a cell and realize how enormous work has been done by evolution, so that a few molecules work together as a chemical plant producing complex processes. Yes, and encode this mechanism so that it can be archived, transported, and then deployed and reproduced in a new organism… Perharps you’d realise, how disrespectful and arrongant is the suppressing of their ‘delivery request’ for certain type of molecules.

                                                I do not support cruel experiments on animals or vivisection or anything of that kind. As soon as we find the way to grow meat in laboratories, I will eat artificial meat.

                                                #47737
                                                Brianfujisan

                                                  Wow, What an Amazing Elastic Body..Thanks for sharing

                                                  Reminded me a wee bit of This one –

                                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qR9dDERups

                                                  #47738
                                                  Tatyana

                                                    Cool! I think I’ve recognised capoeira movements and the “unite” message in the end. A bit foreign cultural code, but in whole I can catch it.

                                                    #47742
                                                    Clark

                                                      “how disrespectful and arrogant is the suppressing of their ‘delivery request’ for certain type of molecules”

                                                      Indeed. That attitude displays a deep respect for nature.

                                                      However, those ‘delivery requests’ are to a large extent habituated, and they can be conditioned and trained. And humanity has an environmental emergency; the biosphere simply can’t supply as much food from animals as populations of developed places want, and which the market system therefore supplies. Our way of life is already unsustainable, and it certainly can’t be generalised to all of humanity.

                                                      I’m not ideologically vegetarian or vegan, but I usually eat meat only about once every two weeks. I missed it at first but now it seems fine, but when I’m working on festival sites and thus living in a tent I find that I crave meat about once a day. I had all but given up dairy produce, until recently I started spending more time with, ironically, a vegetarian.

                                                      Hummus and falafel are great.

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