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Ewan
I don’t have solidarity for those who support corrupt oppressive regimes, quite the contrary.
Intolerant and agressive? Strange way to describe my dissent of your pro regime propaganda.
I feel really sorry for your innocent countrymen, to have such regime sycophants such as you representing them.
EwanState Terrorism means specifically the state sanction murder of citizens. This happens in Russia, it does not happen in the West.
Nemtsov. Politovskaya. Navalny.
So why are you calling Navalny the Russian a stooge of the West when he is trying to work towards making things better in Russia? Is it just the Russians that are killing innocent people and stealing all the money and buying villas in Nice and flats in London that are not the stooges of the West?
I’m not defending the West. I am attacking your defence of a horrible regime.
SAAh as long as the oppressive regimes are applied on others. How many wars of aggression has Russia initiated since 1990?
Let us see: 0. How many US and NATO and allies: Balkans, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq (twice) Libya, Syria, Yemen. The west supports many suppressive regimes in the ME and elsewhere. The west is responsible for economic sanctions against many countries including Russia which cause hardships to these people you are expressing solidarity with. Come on stop criticising others.SAI like your selective definition of state terrorism. Very convenient. Has the US and GB not assassinated their own citizens? Or is there selective memory loss? Is killing by drones ok because it is so clinical?
Navalny is not a major opposition leader in Russia everybody knows that. I referred you to John Helmer’s website to read about his corruption and irrelevance.SAAnd believe me John Helmer is not a defender of Putin.
TatyanaSemyon Slepakov, a bard, published a verse, describing actual incidents during the protests. I translate without rhyme and also omitting the obscene words:
Kind guardians of legitimate measures burned a man’s eye
because he was driving a car with FSB platesKind crowd pulled Putin’s henchman down from the pillar
and beat him with bootsDefending their liberal values
hit the traffic police guy in the faceThey called the children to a cool rally –
Children, come chase the KGB away!It will be fun! It will be class!
Maybe they’ll even make a mess of you! ..They swore at unkind people,
Like “let’s rot them in a pit for the sake of Good”!A lesson for you, we are not Leo Tolstoy!
Bitch, don’t you get in the way of Good!It’s time to put Evil’s ass on the pitchfork!
Brothers, Good has the strength for this! …
It’s the way sweet Good fought Evil
Forgetting pity, hardening its insides.
Bravely, selflessly, and falling for it so much
That imperceptibly became more evil than Evil.Navalny’s wife Yulia and Leonid Volkov commented on this in the same manner as Habbabkuk usually did, and the same as Ewan now does – intolerably, insulting and agressive.
Pigeon EnglishWe in the west know best, what is good for Russia Afganistan Iraq Libya Syria Latin America etc.
Russian lady with name and picture (looking good BTW) posting objective comments/information should be ignored but
presumably Anglo guy by the name of Ewan or Ivan is fountain of truth. SA asked genuine question and Ewen labled him Putin troll (BTW SA is one of my favorite commentators on the blog).
Country with 2-party system lectures the rest of the world in democracy. My favourite english expression is “you can’t make it up”Pigeon EnglishWhat I am trying to say is that Tatyana posted video from her OWN city filmed by communist.
Interpretations can vary but civilised not too big protest happened in Krasnodar in my opinion!Tatyanawell, here is the dialog I mentioned earlier
https://cs12.pikabu.ru/post_img/2021/01/29/6/1611913338123431383.webptranslating it for you
Yulia Navalny:
– Attaboy, Semyon, well done. Doesn’t leave hope to become a shareholder of Gazprom
Semyon Slepakov:
– Dear Julia, do you not like that I express my opinion? Then cut out my songs from your beautiful films, because this is also my view of the events that happen. Or does my position suit you only when it coincides with your own? I respect your point of view, but I am not obliged to share either it, or the methods by which you are trying to achieve your goals. Good luck in the fight between good and evil!
Leonid Volkov:
– You know, Semyon, the Kremlin selection of themes in verse is still a Kremlin selection. It smells of the same shit. But in poetry.
Semyon Slepakov:
– You know, Leonid, if you smell strong shit, then I have two news, good and bad. Good is – you don’t have Covid. Bad is – you can’t run away from yourself, so you have to live with it. Get used to it.
—Today Slepakov’s Twitter account is suspended!
Nice sweet good Navalny and his team, fighters for freedom and human rights in Russia!
Looks like nobody is more totalitarian than a russian libertarian 🙂TatyanaIt’s stated that Navalny’s animation video about the Palace was made by German studio on order from California. The link is given as a proof
Anyone here knows German? Can someone please help to understand this!
IngweTatyana, nice to see you again.
With regards to Navalny’s palace video, you may find this link of interest. More details of a German video company commissioned by someone in the USA to make the video. Also, some embarrassing errors by the UK’s government communiqué reader, the BBC.
EwanSA – I am not defending the West as I’ve already said. I’m criticising the Russian regima and defending Navalniy. You seem to think anyone that is against the West is a brilliant moral agent of truth. Childlike.
Putin imposed the sanctions on the Russian people. The West imposed sanctions on Putin’s gangster circle, Putin imposed sanctions on imported foodstuffs that hurt the Russian people. Get your facts right.
Yes the US and UK have not poisoned their own citizens or shot them on the street metres from government buildings, unlike Russia. Navalniy is not corrupt or irrelevant, he is the only one standing up to the corrupt regime. John Helmer’s article only seeks to invite suspicion in Navalniy, it is a standard tactic of the Putin propaganda, when looked at on the whole it is obvious Navalniy was poisoned by the regime. What is your alternative theory?
Pigeon, again I am not defending the UK or the West. I criticise our systems. It is a very strange viewpoint to say I must endorse our policies, if I criticise Russia’s. I hope you will be able to come to terms with the fact I am critical of both. I would say though that I would rather live in our bad democracy instead of Russia’s terrible sham of a democracy. Corbyn was actually allowed to contest an election, he was not poisoned by MI5 or shot on London Bridge.
Tatyana@Ingwe
Thanks for your kind attenttion, glad to see you too 🙂TheMoonofAlabama says:
“The massive wrought-iron gates into the courtyard are topped with a golden imperial eagle.”
Do you know, by chance, that this ‘imperial eagle’ in Navalny’s animation turned to be the Emblem of Montenegro? 🙂
Video by Alexander Rogatkin, another journalist who visited there
https://youtu.be/sNgOhJBIrnE
He also visited the Border Guard Department which is located right under the mountain, that explains the security and no-fly zone.Then, The MoA says: “The German producers did not know the company, even though they have good contacts in L.A.” a very humble definition, to me.
The names are Sebastian Weiland and his wife Nina Gwyn Weiland, previously worked in American cinema for many years, before they returned to Germany and founded a company of their own. The Tagblatt writes about them
https://www.tagblatt.ch/kultur/ein-palast-fur-putin-ist-im-schwarzwald-entstanden-ld.2089447Arkady Rotenberg claimed it’s him who is the beneficiary of the “palace” in Gelendzhik. This man was the main investor in the construction of the Crimean Bridge. Rotenberg says the building is planned as a hotel for very wealthy people, 16 apartments.
Given that Rotenberg is Jewish, I’m curious about the tactics of the Western press when attacking him 🙂SAEwan
What is strange is your unswerving and complete faith in Navalny. He polls about 2-3% and gets nowhere. The recent palace video is a scam. The story of this palace is at least from 2010 but it is not constructed by the Russian state according to Moon of Alabama and Dances with Bears which seems to be disabled at the moment. You see I am not really pro Putin, all leaders have their own faults but Putin has pulled Russia out of a catastrophic time post the Yeltsin years and is popular in Russia. The life expectancy of males in Russia has been constantly improving in the Putin years. But at the end of the day, it is up to the Russians. In this blog we have a Russian who experiences life in Russia, yet you accused her of being a Putin supporter because she did not confirm your biased information obtained from western sources that have a vested interest in denigrating Russia and actually, Russians in general.
I have no connection with Russia whatsoever. I just happen to love Russian literature and music and culture. A country that has been constantly invaded by the west and that has not invaded anyone in living memory deserves to be taken more seriously than this silly propaganda. Also you seem to think that assassinations by a state is OK provided it is done somewhere else. And there is no clear evidence that Putin or the Russian government has assassinated all those people. There was great lawlessness in Russia in the Yeltsin years and there is still a considerable Russian Mafia I am told and there many internecine killings and alsoTatyanawell, some Navalny’s supporters start telling reasonable things * that makes me really happy *
Mikhail Murygin, the head of Navalny’s organization in Saratov city:
“Guys, on the 31st Volkov is calling everyone to shake the regime ..
Promises to compensate for fines and submit to the ECHR.Now reality. I consider it’s my duty to warn you.
- They DELIBERATELY did not even try to submit notifications either last weekend or this time. And this is the purest setup for you.
- The ECHR will never satisfy the appeal of these fines, since a legal formality has not been observed – namely, the filing of a Notice. The rally, de jure, from the point of view of both OUR law and THEIR in this case is illegal. And that means f*ck, not compensation (don’t believe me, check it out for yourself)
From the moment of “poisoning” they started to use you without hesitation … so for the first time I started writing the truth about them.
I’m explaining what’s happening: Tough economic wars.North Stream-2. It was necessary to freeze the project at any cost.
Profit from it $55 billion per year. This is more than the entire military budget of Russia, $48 billion (Putin’s palace is $1 billion, by the way …)The US has long wanted to sell its LPG to Europe. And if there is a pipe from Russia, all the more cheaper .. you understand. (+ this is not a feeble leverage)
You must understand, now they have such a task, to arrange fights with cops and riots. This will provide a nice picture for Europe. Not only do they kill with CHEMICAL WEAPONS OF MASS DAMAGE (I write this and laugh), but there is also chaos in the country! Palace! Aqua disco! A room for dirt! Frau Merkel, you can’t work with them!
Now ask yourself questions:
- Where is Volkov himself, his wife and children? Several years in Europe!
- Where is Navalny’s daughter? At Stanford
- Where is Navalny’s son? In England
- Where is Zhdanov? In Germany
- Where is Pevchikh? In England
Where are you?
In general, all the main ones were evacuated and they call YOU from a safe place. F* very convenient!Further. Who will then be here in
Muhosransk* (russian idiom for provincial city, ‘Flyshithill’) in Saratov to deal with your defense?
Physically, it will not be realistic to provide protection to everyone, because after the story with the poisoning, the lines have been crossed and protocols will be stamped in batches. No more playing. Navalny will not be excused for this.Further. ACF *Navalny’s organisation, Anti-Corruption Fund* is in chaos now. Someone’s detained for 24h, someone’s over the hill *abroad*, someone recognized the smell and doesn’t show up (like Milov, scribbles on Twitter, but doesn’t go to the rally)
They will simply have no time for you.And the last thing. I have ALWAYS been for any protest. Always for rallies. Always FOR people expressing their opinions.
But now you are being stupidly used and shot like torpedoes.And if even I – the person who worked as the headquarters chief; who organized all the largest rallies for Navalny in Saratov; who led his presidential campaign, observation and who knows what everything really is, not from the picture on YouTube (both good and bad) – I SAY this. Think about it.
When everything happens, they will forget about you. Quote: “We don’t need people now” (after the presidential campaign 2018)
Or betray you, like me. Like many other coordinators or employees (it’s just that many are silent, fearing of hatred).
My headquarters was always in the top 5 or 10. I was really in good standing. You all know me, I was in charge of the headquarters 24/7 (!) And they left me, their own coordinator (now I have MINUS 500,000 rubles in fines; part for rallies, part for investigation)Imagine, you are doing an investigation at the headquarters in the field of public procurement, this investigation is checked and coordinated, including by the legal department.
When you get sued, they say ‘Goodbye, dude. We don’t know you. Well, try to appeal. We will not pay.’ They fire people for far-fetched reasons. Deception with the last month salary. Next .. Surrealism.What then are you worth to them?
SAInteresting analyses of the Navalny Novichok hoax by John Helmer.
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TatyanaOh! My! God!
Who are those “designers” who do this to Mr. Helmer’s website? Oh my!
If they prefer combination of grey and red, well, I don’t mind, it maybe very style in most cases. But why, oh why are they so mercyless to the eyes of a casual visitor? Dark background and white sans serif font with minimal spacing! Crammed headlines that differ from the crammed body text only in that they are uppercase!
Unreadable!I recently visited BellaCaledonia website, guess it was some link in Mr. Murray’s Twitter, well, I can survive the general naivety in the design of the news, not quite in the style of minimalism and primitivism, but it has a right to exist. But Helmer’s site is simply meant to bring all sorts of eyes to cataracts!
That woman Pevchikh was in camera last week-end, I appreciate her effort to look feminine – boudoir style messy hair bun, 3/4 long sleeves, close fit dress … I even understand they maybe couldn’t find another place for the microphone, to save the drapery of the neckline …
But the general ruthlessness of this stylistic “delicacy”, the cold emerald tone of the dress and the cold saturated pink color of lipstick and nails, clearly intended for the Winter color type of appearance, suddenly is pulled over Maria Pevchikh!Hey, don’t they teach some Arts and Crafts in British schools?
I only noticed it because the channel’s host mentioned, that Maria’s native city is Krasnodar. I was surprised! Margaret Simonyan is from my region, some of the Pussy Riot girls is also from here.
* sorry, just a Sunday evening off-topic * 🙂
Pigeon EnglishEwan
- Once you start using extensively “regime” I consider you propagandist not open to honest discussion.
- You say you would rather live in bad democracy than Russian sham democracy.
a) do you mean you would rather live in UK than Russia or bad democracy is better than sham democracy.
For me UK and USA are sham democracy.
What is difference between bad democracy and sham democracy? - You missed the chronology of events.
Friends Allies and Partners imposed sanctions on Russia, based on dubious Skripal poisoning allegation.
Russia, as common practice (“tit for tat”) did the same.As a Christian Putin should turn another cheek? - When our Saudi Friends and Allies butchered a journalist (proven beyond doubt) it was short-lived news and no action taken.
- Corbyn was metaphorically killed! Russian sham parliament at least have 40 communist representatives.
- Did you watch, non-computer-generated image Putin castle documentary posted by Tatyana.
Enough for tonight
TatyanaAs this forum thread turned to be about Navalny…
Today Mr. Murray posted in Twitter“Extraordinary. Dissident Navalny gets two years in jail 2,000 miles away (which I also condemn) and the entire UK media go ballistic.
I face two years in jail in a political prosecution here in the UK. The UK media are perfectly fine with that because I am a dissident.”https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1356699711890145284
@craig
Mr. Murray, seems like you don’t follow the news and don’t care of what people you align yourself with. The fact that Navalny calls himself ‘dissident’ doesn’t mean he’s sued for his political activities.I’ve commented in your Twitter
“Don’t forget that his brother got a jail term for this crime. Navalny violated 2 times last January, then February, March, July, August. 3 times the courts considered and refused, only extending the probation period. He’s a lawyer and knew well what he was doing, I think.”
https://twitter.com/TanyaNataBijoux/status/1357668127690088457
More detail is in this article in russian:
https://ria.ru/20210202/navalnyy–1595724685.htmlAlso, I see today is another court hearing, Navalny vs WW2 veteran on defamation case
https://ria.ru/20210205/navalnyy-1596188134.htmlOne more time, Mr. Murray, I’d like to drive your attention to the fact, that you and Navalny have very little in common. The biggest difference is the basic respect for humans around.
I doubt you could sometime say to a WW2 veteran that he is a corrupt lackey, he raised his grandson as a prostitute and that his relatives would strangle him at night.EwanPigeon
- your perogative.
- Why don’t you go live in Russia? Go on then. Send me a postcard. As I said earlier, we don’t have State Terrorism, Russia does.
- The main sanctions came in from Russia exporting their ‘democracy’ to Crimea. The West made sanctions against key individuals close to Putin, Putin then made sanctions on food imports from Europe that directly hurt the people of Russia – the collective punishment was imposed from the Russian side.
- Again I’m not defending the West, I think our leaders are horrible too. That doesn’t make Putin a force for good.
- He might have been metaphorically killed, but he is still alive. Nemtsov is dead. What good are 40 “communists” when the main opposition leader is barred from participating in elections and opposition leaders are murdered by the FSB?
- I did watch it and now I’m convinced Navalniy is a Western spy and Putin is a force for good in the World.
Good luck with your new life in Russia.
SAI find this attack on Putin somewhat blinkered. Putin is an individual and is where he is because of a number of reasons. He has been elected and repeatedly and according to various sources, he is still very popular in Russia although this support is weakening because of shortages. I believe the most recent crisis in Russia is the near doubling of price of potatoes rather than the jailing of someone who deliberately breaks the rules.
You can, with some reason, say the elections and the power structure in Russia, are rigged, but in general terms the government is still much more concerned about its people than the equivalent government in U.K. in forums in this blog, you will find a lot about government corruption and rigged elections and justice meted to dissidents in this country. State terrorism in the west may be more sophisticated, and nothing illustrates this better than the reason why Assange is being pursued and persecuted is because he has exposed state terrorism. You seem to ignore the hundreds of years of state terrorism resulting from our imperial past and the current imperial superpower structure to which we are aligned and fully subscribed, that to you, is not state terrorism because it is meted to lesser people elsewhere.
Whilst the structures and governance in the west are cozily presented as democracy, whilst still exploiting the rest of the world independence administering terrorism by war, Russia and others are fighting for their independence and in some cases their survival. Remember how Iran had been treated in 1953 and how Russia was treated between 1991 and 2000 and maybe you will get some insight.
You also seem to prefer the supposed democracy of the Current chaotic Ukrainian western imposed regime. To the peaceful democracy transition that Crimea now enjoys. I wonder whether the Crimeans get a choice to decide or leave it to you to decide.SAThe major opposition in Russia is not Navalny who is an irrelevance. The best thing that can happen is that he should be allowed to stand and show the low support that he will get. But he deliberately breaks the law in order to appear to be a dissident. That is his value to the West, not his popularity.
The West has a huge responsibility of not interfering with nascent democracies. Democracy can never be forced as it needs painstakingly slow background civic structures. The colour revolutions that the west foisted on many countries have not resulted in real democracy or stability. The west can in many way be accused of stunting democracy in these parts of the world because any democracy in the world has to have the stamp of approval of western hegemony.
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