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Made me go calculate that those top ten represent 31.6% of the worlds population which makes it even worse. Whatever it says it will be clouded (deliberately) by the inclusion of India, Russia, Turkey and Brazil in the top ten and no doubt SFA will be learned from it despite volumes being written about it. What it ought to be screaming is just how bad our decision making is and where our focus is.Also the worst daily deaths, over 1000, are UK, Mexico and US.
Brian, thanks for the Galileans application. I’ve never followed their changing positions over time; they move much faster than I thought.
A new ‘wonder drug’ is emerging for the prophylaxis and treatment of Covid-19 according to some groups. The new component in this is Ivermectin, a well known antiparasitic medicine widely used to treat various diseases and widely available and cheap. There is in vitro evidence that it can be effective but the doses used are about 10X those used for treatment normally. Australian researchers swear by it and there is something called The FLCCC Alliance and many of the treatments suggested are in use in ITU units but some others not universally accepted. This group is now pushing forward their protocol, the upgraded version of which is Ivermectin . The newest protocol called MATH+ is on their website and the rationale for using Ivermectin is discussed above. The problem with this sort of approach is that which we saw before with chloroquine, is that there is a theoretical base for the effectiveness of the treatment, but in practice, there is little clinical effect, and to prove efficacy, patients need to be enrolled in properly conducted trials. I have posted this to draw attention to the possible controversy that this may now be highjacked by the conspiracists who will see this is suppression of effective cheap treatment which will render the vaccines obsolete. But of course big pharma are not interested!
Brian, thank you very much for the documentary you linked to; me and Steph watched it last night.
N_, have you watched it, and what did you think? Depending upon your initial reply, we could start another forum to discuss it as it is off-topic here, apart from background conspiracy theory that has intruded upon nearly all vital subjects for the past two decades.
SA, I hope this new treatment does work because the recent rise in the seven-day average death curve is steeper than ever before.
Updating my earlier prediction (#64441 above) with the latest seven day averages:
Current case numbers are now at least 2.34* times higher than reached before the November restrictions caused them to fall, so I predict that the death rate must rise to at least 2.34 times its averaged November peak, ie. over 1138 deaths per day, on average.
* 59,344 ÷ 25,331 = ~2.34
2.34 x 486 = ~1139This figure is locked in by the pattern we have seen so far, even if infections stop rising immediately, so only new treatments, or depletion of the proportion vulnerable could change it. I suspect it’s an underestimate anyway.
PS: that’s a seven day average, meaning that there will soon be a week with around 8000 covid deaths.
The royalist media say the “queen” has beeen vaccinated at her main castle.
Great PR there. God bless you, Ma’am.
Did they do it with a hallmarked silver needle passed along a line of male flunkeys wearing tights, smilingly watched over by the Archbishop of Canterbury carrying a sprig from the Glastonbury Thorn?And incidentally, how did this year’s Epiphany service go on 6 January in the Chapel Royal at St James’s Palace? Traditionally the “queen” receives gold, frankincense, and myrrh at it, as if she was Jesus Christ.
Ah, what “service to the nation”.For bonus points: who is the “queen’s” health insurance policy with? And who pays for it? Something tells me the medics who treat her at London’s leading private hospital, the King Edward VII, don’t do it for free.
Can’t Mystic N_eg have his own channel, so the monotonous droning of idle supposition, witless prattle, negativity and self congratulation can be more easily skipped by everyone else? Mystic N_eg never deigns to converse with anyone (apart from his great self!), so why bother putting it on a public channel at all? Surely it would be more seemly for such self-pleasuring to be undertaken in private.
I don’t know why you get upset about his stupidity, Clark, and his sheer lack of knowledge on subjects far and wide on which he supposedly dispenses wisdom – cringing embarrassement for his lack of self awareness would be a better placed emotion.
The “queen”, the billionairess who has also been a lifelong poster girl for other big business interests than her own, reckons the current lockdown in Britain might be a bit on the pinko liberal, wishy-washy, trendy-teacher, “too much carrot and not enough stick” side.
If you read the body text of that article in the Independent, it doesn’t actually say that. It doesn’t attribute the idea that the lockdown is “too lax” to the monarch. It attributes it to a behavioural psychologist (yes) at UCL, called Susan Michie, who sits on SAGE. But the headline (always more important than the body text) reads as follows: “Covid news — live: Queen vaccinated at Windsor Castle and fears lockdown ‘too lax’ to beat variant”.
“Queen vaccinated at Windsor Castle and fears lockdown ‘too lax’ to beat variant“.
How does that read?
Meanwhile, outside the immediate world lived in by her majesty, her family, her archbishops, her stockbrokers, her art treasure custodians, and even her lords and ladies in waiting, 44 branches of Poundland are closing, leading to large-scale price inflation for many among the poorest in Britain.
Michie advises the WHO on “Covid-19 and behaviour”. I wonder whether she was involved in Event 201.
She also chairs the UK Food Standard Agency’s Social Sciences Advisory Committee. Read that and think about it, anybody who thinks it’s insane to believe food shortages are coming.
Some people are getting vaccinated who have already had “Covid-19” (take this to mean they exhibited the collection of flu type symptoms associated with infection with SARS-CoV2 and they were also tested as SARS-CoV2 positive) and recovered – i.e. their antibodies already fought SARS-CoV2 off. What idiots! What would they do if the government told them to stick their head in the gas oven? Best understand what the word “vaccine” means before you stick your arm out for officials and say “SIR! Reporting for my injection, SIR!”
The only idiot is you, N. Plenty of people had antibodies having had Covid-19 once, but then also got sick with Covid again. Antibodies alone DO NOT provide immunity. They wear off. They are not found to be effective enough in every case. Why don’t you wise up before talking about subjects on which you’re almost entirely ignorant? (Answer: the Dunning-Kruger effect)
Don’t bother having a shot if you don’t want one. But you really should stop calling people who have enough sense to be immunised mindlessly obedient, you insufferably pompous arse.
@ Mystic N_eg
“Some people are getting vaccinated who have already had “Covid-19” (take this to mean they exhibited the collection of flu type symptoms associated with infection with SARS-CoV2 and they were also tested as SARS-CoV2 positive) and recovered”
Or perhaps they had very low oxygen levels, a dense white shadow in both lungs on their X-rays, a particular pattern of low platelets and specific white blood cells, and very high marker of clotting called D-Dimer. This is a clinical pattern doctors all over the world. Perhaps they are scared having had it and want to protect themselves as best they perceive they can.
There are studies from long before this pandemic showing people being reinfected with coronaviruses (the 4 causing common cold and endemic in the population) from 6 months to ten years later. It isn’t known if immunity is conferred by having become infected though there is some evidence that it does. There are also cases of reinfection. If immunity is conferred it isn’t known how long that will last. Of course this also applies to the vaccine. There are a lot of unknowns.
I cycled into Chelmsford today to shop for groceries. Lots of people about, busy; nothing like the Spring “lockdown”. One wise soul had brought three primary school age children with him to the CoOp; he masked up, they didn’t. Thanks, mister!
– “…fears lockdown ‘too lax’ to beat variant”
Flippantly – that looks likely to me.
Less superficially:
1) It’s a shame, and literally fatally stupid, that this has become a matter of enforcement. In Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea etc. nearly everyone understood what needed to be done, and just did it. Many here may prefer the racist explanation that Asian foreigners are just compliant sheeple, but in fact, having had experience with SARS, they exercised social self restraint because they understood that it was right and sensible to do so.
I suppose that Europe and the US has so many antisocial idiots pushing various shades of conspiracy theory that a lot of people “don’t know who to believe”. Choosing who to believe has certainly been Node’s method in this and other technical matters, and it’s the example set by the corporate media over the course of decades; “expert versus expert”.
2) Laxity versus strictness isn’t the issue. The problem is that merely telling people to stay home is nowhere near enough. We need all the measures listed at endcoronavirus.org (appropriate page linked below), plus proper quarantine, local distribution of necessities especially food, more and better ventilation, activities moved outdoors, temporal segregation, stable groups of workers, and universal basic income so that people aren’t forced to work when feeling ill and have no need to hide from testing.
But even Marxists like N_ aren’t prepared to advocate any of this. Apparently, such measures are beyond our imagination.
Clark
It is not so simple. The government’s messaging has been ambiguous probably intentionally. Why should leaders in a crisis leave it to individuals to decide what is good for society as a whole? Because many of Boris’ backbenchers are more interested in money than in people and the only ‘opposition’ he has is from his even more extreme right wingers. This is why I get angry with supposed Marxists who belittle the pandemic and don’t seem to distinguish between the realities created by the virus and the exploitations for gain and control by the right wing authorities. Some of these ‘Marxists’ even think that giving more pay to health care workers who are risking their lives, is not really a priority, thereby exposing a complete lack of understanding as to why there is such a manpower shortage in the NHS, because of market forces and exploitation of those who have a vocation. Some of these Marxists spend equal time in slagging medical and nursing professions as they do governments, thereby making the job of our incompetent government easier to deflect.But now professionals are coming out openly on MSM media criticizing the government’s approach as too slack. Lockdown does not mean still arguing about open garden centers and DIY shops and places of worship and football matches. It means empty streets except for people with specific purposes. Children in supermarkets should be banned, in fact people should shop on their own. Reduce people flow. Curfews from sunset to dawn or something like that. And testing and proper tracing.
The government has failed to use the nightingale hospitals because they were under the illusion that this was a business opportunity for their cronies but when they realised that this was not going to happen because there is no manpower to run these places, they did not have the vision instead to use them as an opportunity to isolate those with milder symptoms. This would also create an opportunity not only to reduce the pool of infected individuals, but to learn more about the natural history of the disease at the less severe end and to possibly research how prophylaxis might work. These would require less trained staffing and maybe recruitment of those who would otherwise be in furlough or unemployed.Sorry about the rant, but it seems so obvious to me where the block is and how it could be bypassed and why it is not, because of ideology, and sadly this ideology cuts across the divide.
The rule now in Britain is that when the police tell you to go home, you must, and if you don’t they will “fine” you.
So we’re not supposed to believe in the Holy Vaccine then? 🙂
Add that to food shortages. When food runs out, people get more stroppy for a while. Then they get less stroppy after a few days as their body weight falls. (There has been academic research on this.) If you can condition them to obeying policemen’s orders to get off the streets, then you’ll have less trouble from the starving classes during those few days.
Disagree? Then WHY are the police being fired up, being officially encouraged to do things like hassling people who
* have stopped for a sit on a bench during their exercise walk,
* have taken some coffee with them when they exercise,
* have driven a few miles to a park or a place where they like to walk, or
* have left their house more than once in a day.none of which activities are actually banned? (As if what’s written in paper laws matters a damn now.)
There must be a reason and it’s to do with obedience.
Out of interest, how are the cops checking the identity of people that they’re harassing? There’s no obligation to carry ID in Britain.
The “leaving your house more than once per day” is especially interesting. That’s not against the law. You can exercise, walk your dog, go to the supermarket, drop a pack of paracetamols through your auntie’s door, leave your home for work or business reasons, all on separate outings. But imagine trying to argue that to a thicko young cop who can’t do joined-up writing, or maybe a group of cops who are all geeing each other on. Such cops have been told not to “explain” the rules, but to focus on “enforcing” them. You know what that means. It means “Stop trying to argue with me. You’re wasting police time.” Thicko cops are absolutely LOVING this.
There is also a question as to what is happening with the gang-controlled illegal drug economy during this lockdown – heroin, crack cocaine, etc. With nightclubs shut and presumably with more police street patrols, this must be changing somewhat. More business for companies such as Hermes? And evictions for rent non-payment are supposed to have stopped, right? That doesn’t mean debt isn’t building up for those who can’t pay their rents. That’s what I want to read about, not that the damned “queen” has had an injection.
It is ridiculous how some in the lefty middle classes have now been given the okay to call Trump “fascist”, to look out their Adorno etc., when in actual fact 6 January wasn’t an “insurrection” nor was it something these dimwits saw coming, and yet they’re still too timid and stupid to criticise the fascism that has reigned in most countries since March 2020, hung on the notion of the killer virus pandemic – and which in the US in particular is not going to disappear on 20 January when a new president is inaugurated.
I think the pandemic will end in US on 20th Jan, but the measures to end the pandemic will get far worse as the ruling elite impose communism to entrench their privilege, under the guise of keeping the poor and vulnerable people safe. And the tag-team will say go further and end the world to save lives.
Who here thinks things will return to normal once sufficient numbers have had the vaccine?
Thirteen men (spooky number, huh?) have been caught by police “playing cards” at a “social club” in Hackney, inner London. Thus reports the Sun newspaper
What is the first thing that the huge majority of Sun readers will think when they read that?
Fascism doesn’t “theoretically” have to be racist. But the problem is that fascism isn’t a theoretical thing. (Sorry Adorno, mate, you plonker.) In practice it is almost always racist, because racism fits in with and helps with its appeal to “how people really feel”.
And any leftwinger who doesn’t know the answer to the question “What is the first thing that the huge majority of Sun readers will think when they read that?” really ought to wise themselves up fast. Meet some real people some time.
This was a feature of the previous lockdown too…scare stories about “Leicester” and “Brixton” and “unauthorised parties”. Watch this space.
“Who here thinks things will return to normal…….”
They will at some point. Every other such event in history has ended even before the advent of vaccines and anti-biotics.
“once sufficient numbers have had the vaccine?”
The various vaccines effects in the real world have yet to be proved/proven. If they do confer some degree of immunity, and/or reduce transmission and/or reduce the risk of severe disease they will speed a return to normal.
Or we have arrived at an extinction level event. I don’t think this is the case as I don’t think this virus is virulent enough (yet) and the majority of people have relatively minor levels of morbidity. By relatively I mean compared to those requiring hospitalisation and/or ventilation.
I agree with ET’s position. I’d just add that we have no idea of the various vaccines’ efficacy against some of the new variants.
I think the Westminster government would very much like to “get back to normal”, ‘cos they make lots of money from business as usual. They’ve done as little as they thought they could get away with to deviate from normal. If WWII had been handled like this, we’d have been overrun by Nazis very quickly.
– – – – – – –Node, your attitude to this raises a question about your overall outlook. You once told us at squonk.tk that you believe world affairs to have been run for centuries in secret by a secret “cabal”, or conspiracy, who “try out” different political systems upon the population to see which ones work best to the cabal’s advantage. Seems supremely unlikely to me but there you go. But why, do you think, did this “cabal” suddenly change everything? What didn’t suit them about neoliberalist economics, and why are they trying so hard to preserve it, ready to reinstate once the new virus settles into background circulation like other viruses we’re familiar with?
What I love about these conspiracy fantasists, denialists and clairvoyants (like Mystic N_eg, Null-Node and Deluded Dave) is the sheer lack of accountability. There’s absolutely no reckoning with all the BS and lies they tell. When we don’t all starve to death at a definite given date (such as September last year, per Mystic N_eg), is there a pause for thought?
Of course not – not a bit of it. It reminds me of cultists who prophesied the end of the Earth at various times. Everyone gathered around to wait for the appointed hour, nothing happened. Rather than admit they were wrong, they wave it away as a miscalculation – they forgot to carry the 2 or whatever – and the _new_ date for doomsday is now a few years hence.
Rather than be dismissed as a discredited huckster, the faithful are encouraged, and believe the new prediction with even more certainty!
We see this with Trump’s deluded worshipers. We see it with Mystic N_eg’s continual revising of the New Date when mass starvation (or whatever) is going to cull the masses. (Which doesn’t include Mystic N_eg, of course, because …. err…. he’s too smart to believe in this … erm.. fake thing which is going to kill huge numbers because… err.. [Ed: Straighten this out before publication, OK>]
Then we have the uber-conspiracy, tin-foiler Dave. He confidently predicts the virus will go away when Biden gets in! Just like his mates reckoned it would go away on November 5th. But wait – the fake measures against the non-existent virus will persist, yes… The virus is a fake, the measures are a fake, and Biden will take credit for actually doing nothing, but will continue to repress people… until.. until…
And then we have Null Node, who has never believed anything at all because it’s ALL a hoax, and the proof? It’s covered up so well no proof has been allowed to remain! What more proof do you want?
JHC! Where do these freaks come from? And what is this, nut-house central? Why are they allowed to post this gibberish here?
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