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A doorknob would be more likely to be used on exit from the house than entry, assuming it is one that doesn’t need to be turned to open the door but would be needed to pull the door shut.
Re KNOBS & GLOVES:
In my 04.55 post yesterday I linked to an article by Craig entitled Knobs and Knockers, which I read at the time, or shortly thereafter, but earlier on this evening I came onto this thread to see if anyone had responded to my 04.55 post in which I start by asking: Do we actually know if Sergei was wearing gloves? Anyway, I then thought I’d have a read of Craig’s article again (the only reason I brought it up yesterday was to copy the link and post it in my comment) and, in doing so, I see that Craig sometimes refers to the ‘door-knob’, and at other times refers to the ‘door handle’. I mention it just for the record, as I posted a link to it as evidence that it was in fact the door-knob that was alledgedly coated with Novichok. That said, and as I said anyway, you can see from pictures of the front of Sergei’s house that there is only a door-knob (and no door handle).
Anyway – re gloves – the funny thing is that after rereading the Knobs and Knockers article I thought I’d bring up all of Craig’s articles on the subject and save them (so as to look through them all again at some point), so I typed >salisbury< in to his search engine, and started going through the list of results and saving them, and – this is the funny (not haha) bit, that it was either the second or the third one in the list in the list of results that came up that just happened to say the following in the very first paragraph:
The security services put an extraordinary amount of media priming effort into explaining why the alleged novichok attack on the Skripals had a delayed effect of several hours, and then failed to kill them. Excuses included that it was a cold day which slowed their metabolisms, that the chemical took a long time to penetrate their skins, that the gel containing the novichok inhibited its operation, that it was a deliberately non-fatal dose, that rain had diluted the novichok on the doorknob, that the Skripals were protected by gloves and possibly only came into contact in taking the gloves off….
Magic Novichok
October 23, 2020
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/10/magic-novichok/Given the context in which it was said, it’s still not actual proof that Sergei (or Yulia) WERE wearing gloves that day. That said, it was pretty cold, so there’s a good chance they were. Then again, they’re Russian….
But it still doesn’t explain how they BOTH came into contact with the Novichok. But whether they did or they didn’t wear gloves is irrelevent, because there is no way that they would both become incapacitated in the same moment. The chances of that happening are somewhere in the region of absolute zero.
PS And yes, I DID read Craig’s article at the time, but obviously can’t remember every single detail (and I don’t recall reading any article in the MSM that mentioned gloves as a reason as to why it took several hours for the Novichok to (alledgedly) take affect).
I can imagine a scenario where Sergei takes the gloves out of his pocket, he and/or Yulia notice a damp-looking stain on them which they both go on to investigate by touching (and sniffing) within a short interval. Pure speculation, of course!
I don’t remember reading about gloves, either in Craig’s article or in the wider MSM. However, it is entirely possible that the gloves idea was planted by so doing.
All the other delayed effect “explanations” in Craig’s article seem utterly implausible to me knowing what I do about toxicology and pharmacodynamics. “Cold slowing metabolism” is laughable. If anything, acute cold exposure would increase metabolism. A person would have to be severely hypothermic to show significant slowing of metabolism. Dilution or washing away by rain is likely to have been thought of by any poisoners, with the solution being an oily base.
Thanks again for your replies people. Here are my responses:
Fat Jon:
What I think happened is that one news outlet (probably the Beeb) reported that DS Bailey was a first responder (to be fair, he was present at the scene of the incident, just after the Skripals had been taken away), and the others did what generally passes for journalism in the age of the internet. For a good example of this, look at what occurred when Wings made a rare error of fact a while ago:
https://x.com/WingsScotland/status/1648592449554595841
Francis Burton:
I haven’t watched all of the testimony presented at the Inquiry but, from what I have seen, I don’t recall gloves being mentioned in relation to the Skripals. I think it would be unlikely that either of them were wearing them as it wasn’t a particularly cold day (around 8 degrees C at mid-day) – and they are both from Russia. I would also presume that BMW 3-series have power steering. Even if you speculate that one of other of them was wearing gloves and they both somehow managed to touch the outside of them at roughly the same time, you still have to account for the fact that it took DS Bailey over 24 hours to become unable to drive, when he disposed of his latex gloves immediately after leaving Sergei’s house.
Allan Howard:
In March 2018, Sergei’s front door had a handle. The previous one – which had a glass panel rather than a uPVC one in its lower half and is seen in some photos of No 47 available online – had a door-knob. In their testimonies, DS Bailey and others repeatedly referred to a door handle. Pro-tip: I wouldn’t necessarily believe everything our host writes.
As I mentioned in Part 3, the Skripals wouldn’t have to have become completely incapacitated at exactly the same moment, just for one of them to be under sufficient influence of nerve agent that they didn’t have the presence of mind to summon help for the other. That’s not to say that strange coincidences don’t happen: What odds would have got in 1991 on Gene Hackman and his 30 years younger wife, Betsy Arakawa, dying in the same week of completely unrelated natural causes after over 30 years of marriage? I’d say that 10,000-1 would have been reasonable (assuming foul play could be eliminated, of course).
Thanks again for your replies people. Here are my responses:
Fat Jon:
What I think happened is that one news outlet (probably the Beeb) reported that DS Bailey was a first responder (to be fair, he was present at the scene of the incident, just after the Skripals had been taken away), and the others did what generally passes for journalism in the age of the internet. For a good example of this, look at what occurred when Wings made a rare error of fact a while ago:
https://x.com/WingsScotland/status/1648592449554595841
Francis Burton:
I haven’t watched all of the testimony presented at the Inquiry but, from what I have seen, I don’t recall gloves being mentioned in relation to the Skripals. I think it would be unlikely that either of them were wearing them as it wasn’t a particularly cold day (around 8 degrees C at mid-day) – and they are both from Russia. I would also presume that BMW 3-series have power steering. Even if you speculate that one of other of them was wearing gloves and they both somehow managed to touch the outside of them at roughly the same time, you still have to account for the fact that it took DS Bailey over 24 hours to become unable to drive, when he disposed of his latex gloves immediately after leaving Sergei’s house.
Allan Howard:
In March 2018, Sergei’s front door had a handle. The previous one – which had a glass panel rather than a uPVC one in its lower half and is seen in some photos of No 47 available online – had a door-knob. In their testimonies, DS Bailey and others repeatedly referred to a door handle. Pro-tip: I wouldn’t necessarily believe everything our host writes.
As I mentioned in Part 3, the Skripals wouldn’t have to have become completely incapacitated at exactly the same moment, just for one of them to be under sufficient influence of nerve agent that they didn’t have the presence of mind to summon help for the other. That’s not to say that strange coincidences don’t happen: What odds would have got in 1991 on Gene Hackman and his 30 years younger wife, Betsy Arakawa, dying in the same week of completely unrelated natural causes after over 30 years of marriage? I’d say that 10,000-1 would have been reasonable (assuming foul play could be eliminated, of course).
Some thoughts regarding staging the crime scene.
The identification of Novichok A234 is based on environmental samples taken from
1. the Skripal house – the front door knob & contamination inside resulting from response officers.
2. Inside Zizzis (which was closed for a year)
3. Inside the city stay hotel (which wasn’t even closed for decontamination).
4. The sealed nina ricci perfume bottle (found by Charlie). Which was claimed to be 97% pure novichok but is also a gel / feels oily.The chemical analysis is presumably from mass spectrometry but it’s only been shared with state parties.
Assuming Novichok A234 can be produced in Porton Down, or that a sample of ‘russian’ novichok A234 has been acquired by MI6, it’s not too hard to imagine a scenario where Novichok could be painted wherever it needs to be found. Retrospectively to suit the required narrative by anyone with security clearance.
The positive identification of Novichok in blood samples & body tissues taken from Sergei, Yulia, Dawn & PC Nick doesn’t seem to be based on mass spectrometry because OPs like novichok will react quickly and become metabolised into other biochemicals, ie the very reason why Novichoks were considered to be useful poisoning agents as they wouldn’t leave traces. Instead the positive identification is based on Acetylcholinesterase levels. That seems to be the basis with DSs post mortem examination. The OPCW report is also oddly vague. I forget the exact words but the statement confirms the presence of the same organophosphate detected by Porton Down.
Makes one wonder whether any OP (and there are many to select from) could reduce AChe activity. There does not appear, at least to my eyes, to be any direct evidence for Novichok amongst those hospitalised.
So possibly a scenario where Sergei & Yulia are sprayed in Zizzis with an OP toxin (not Novichok) that provokes the observed symptoms & inhibits AChe. Remember nobody has ever seen a Novichok attack & who would have known what that would resemble at the time. The chemical agent used would not need to be a lethal dose just enough to hospitalise them & prevent them from meeting with the 2 GRU agents. Following their hospitalisation the Skripal home can be ‘painted’ to provide samples from the crime scene. The contamination of PC Nick & the other officer could also be from the same OP agent (not novichok).
3 months later DSs tragic overdose was then used to keep the Novichok story alive and establish that Novichok is actually lethal. The Post mortem examiner wasn’t even authorised to see the chemical evidence of Novichok. The perfume bottle with 97% Novichok was found days later so we only have Charlie Rowley’s questionable account to link the bottle to a skip in Salisbury.
Just to start by making several points I’ve made on many occasions:
Even if Putin had some reason to want to have Sergei Skripal assassinated, it’s inconceivable that he would choose to have it done just prior to the world cup football tournament, and even MORE so given that it was the first time Russia was hosting it. And to have the assassination attempt carried out TWO days – and just ONE day before the story hit the headlines of the MSM – before the 100 days to go ‘celebrations’, in which short promo videos (as I assume is the normal practice) are circulated to TV news outlets around the world to be aired on the day. Given what was happening – and Russia/Putin already being pointed at – I don’t know if any of them were aired on BBC or ITV news that day, but I was watching RT that day for a while, and saw two that I can recall. Here’s an article in respect of one of them, but the vid isn’t coming up any more:
With final touch Vladimir Putin caps World Cup countdown video
https://www.euronews.com/2018/03/06/with-final-touch-vladimir-putin-caps-world-cup-countdown-videoThe other one was dolphins or whatever knocking a football about in a pool, and diving.
And, needless to say, it’s inconceivable that the planners would plan to do it in such a manner, and, as I say, just two days before the 100 days to go – and just three months or so before the tournament kicked off – celebrations. Not that I believe it actually happened anyway.
Duncan
Did you see my post from March 29 at 18:18? And a couple of other things come to mind… In such a scenario, surely the sprayer would be wearing a (coronavirus-type) mask, and it seems to me highly unlikely that at least some of the other people in the restaurant – those sitting close by – wouldn’t have breathed in some of the particles and been affected/poisoned to some degree or other as well. If you were the assassin(s) waiting for an opportunity to spray Sergei in the face with Novichok (and I don’t see why they’d have any reason to spray Yulia in the face as well), then surely when they just happened to go and sit on the bench would have been the time to do it. But as I said in respect of the Zizzis scenario, surely you would shout at the person who did it and, as such, attract attention, and surely – given who he is – you would phone the police immediately. Of course you would, whoever you were, in fact.
Yes, the Novichok could have been coated on the doorknob/handle etc at some point shortly after they were taken to hospital of course, as you suggest, but it’s quite likely that it was all fabrication, with only a small circle of the people on the ground in the know and playing along with it – ie the script, that is. But just out of interest, in your scenario you have Sergei and Yulia intending to meet with two GRU agents (the… two GRU agents). Could you elaborate as to why you think that was the case and why they would be? Thanks
I don’t know if I’ve mentioned it before in this thread – or in one of the many articles Craig has posted on the subject – but if the whole episode was staged, as I believe it was – or it was a false flag event – then of course there has to be a reason why the conspiritors did it, and did it when they did. And I have no doubt that the reason is because ‘they’ knew that in the following years Russia/Putin would be forced to invade Ukraine – ie they knew that THEY would provoke him into invading Ukraine. And so they concocted the Novichok episode so as to paint him as a ruthless, brutal, vicious killer and a monster in preparation for what they knew would be happening several years later. And, to portray him as an enemy of Britain and the British people. Put it this way, ‘they’ (and I include the CIA) wouldn’t have done it just for fun, or no reason at all. That said, I’m sure they all found the whole episode highly HIGHLY amusing anyway.
And another episode that will be recorded in their history book – ie The Psychopaths Book of Machinations & Conspiracies.
