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    AG

      Another conversation on the RNC, immigration and Trump´s final speech:

      “In “Unity” Speech, Trump Demonizes Migrants, Spreads Lies & Embraces Authoritarianism”
      https://www.democracynow.org/2024/7/19/trump_rnc

      with Guests

      Maria Hinojosa
      Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and founder of Futuro Media
      Benjamin Wallace-Wells
      staff writer at The New Yorker
      Nina Turner
      former Ohio state senator

      (I don´t see any more authoritarianism than there has been under Biden, they just exert it in different ways and sell it in different flavours and colours.)

      p.s. the fact alone that the “wall” has been built by every President since Clinton, who started it, shows you in what schizophrenic state you have to be as a genuine leftist supporting Biden and the Establishment. I wonder what would happen if Sanders would run now. May be unexpectedly many who don´t want to vote would reconsider because may be suddenly it would all make sense in the last moment.

      #99680 Reply
      ET

        Need to rename the thread 🙂
        Trump vs … who now?

        #99682 Reply
        Tatyana

          I suggest Hillary.
          Dems now promote women. Most people expect either Kamala Harris or Michael Obama be nominated.
          I personally expect Hillary will stand.

          #99683 Reply
          AG

            Someone correctly pointed out: “remember when we complained about Biden that it couldn´t get worse”.

            #99689 Reply
            AG

              The only headlines today that seem to matter (both from The Hill):

              “Obama stops short of backing Harris ”
              and:
              “Robert F. Kennedy Jr. sees Vice President Harris as indistinguishable from President Biden.

              In a press conference on Sunday evening, the independent candidate reinforced that he is able to beat both former President Trump and Biden — despite Biden announcing hours earlier that he is exiting the race.

              In a nearly 30 minute address, Kennedy used critical rhetoric toward the government common in his stump speech, focusing heavily on Biden and Trump, while only occasionally ripping into Harris as an unknown entity.”

              #99690 Reply
              Jack

                I assume Kamala Harris will be their candidate, having watched some interviews, debates with her she is quite weak and not a good rhetorican. At the same time, I believe she have much greater chance than Biden to win over Trump.

                Just like Keir Starmer’s partner, Harris’ husband, Douglas Emhoff, is of jewish faith:

                Left outraged over Kamala Harris’ choice of wine at Seder

                Psagot Winery pledges to name a wine after Kamala Harris if she “continues in a positive direction, for example by opposing the Iran nuclear deal.”
                Left-wing activists criticized Vice President Kamala Harris over the weekend after pictures posted on social media revealed the Passover seder she hosted for Jewish House White House staffers at her home included the Israeli-made Psagot wine, produced in Judea and Samaria.

                https://www.israelhayom.com/2022/04/17/left-outraged-after-vp-harris-serves-samaria-made-wine-at-passover-seder/

                #99692 Reply
                ET

                  The Clintons, both Hillary and Bill, have endorsed Kamala Harris. So unlikely Hillary would put herself forwards to run for president but it doesn’t rule her out for vice president running mate.

                  #99703 Reply
                  AG

                    This is a reprint of a 2019 article by law professor Marjorie Cohn
                    “Kamala Harris’s Distinguished Career of Serving Injustice”
                    The presidential hopeful’s record in California undermines her claim to progressive credentials, says Marjorie Cohn.
                    https://consortiumnews.com/2024/07/22/kamala-harriss-distinguished-career-of-serving-injustice-2/

                    #99709 Reply
                    AG

                      30 min explaining the cabals inside the Democratic Party
                      “Democratic Party factional war”
                      https://theduran.com/democratic-party-factional-war/

                      #99733 Reply
                      Jack

                        As I said the other day, it made no sense for Trump and others to mock Biden’s cognitive decline.
                        Biden was the best candidate for Trump himself, because Harris will not be any easier that is for sure:

                        Harris ahead of Trump in new presidential race poll
                        https://swentr.site/news/601577-harris-trump-presidential-race-poll/

                        Also, is this some type of psyop, trying to gain votes from war-critics?

                        Harris would purge Biden’s team – WSJ
                        Lloyd Austin, Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan could lose their jobs come January

                        https://swentr.site/news/601560-harris-purge-biden-team/

                        #99735 Reply
                        AG

                          Jack

                          “Also, is this some type of psyop, trying to gain votes from war-critics?”
                          Since it´s WSJ you are probably right. Or it´s just one of the countless idiots among staff without any hidden agenda.
                          What you see is what you get.
                          I assume with the Harris decision antiwar sentiment did play a role. Democrats are criminal but not stupid.
                          And I don´t share The Duran´s apodictic view that they have in essence already given up.
                          Why should they.
                          There is still time for that ;-P

                          #99736 Reply
                          AG

                            “Bernie Sanders Should Be Kamala Harris’s Vice President”

                            By Ben Burgis

                            If Kamala Harris really wants to show she is ready to turn a new page in the campaign against Donald Trump, it’s obvious who her choice as running mate should be: Bernie Sanders.

                            https://jacobin.com/2024/07/kamala-harris-bernie-sanders-vp
                            https://archive.is/nby72

                            #99737 Reply
                            Jack

                              AG

                              Exactly, probably psyop, there have also been “leaks” that Harris would be more critical of Israel if she is elected:
                              Quite obvious that these “leaks” are supposed to get the votes from the pro-palestine protest movement

                              Harris may shift US rhetoric on Gaza war if elected – NBC
                              Biden’s designated heir is unlikely to change US policy, however

                              https://swentr.site/news/601511-harris-gaza-israel-netanyahu/

                              #99738 Reply
                              Jack

                                ..also speaking on Vice president, here is another possible contender, the pro-israel Josh Shapiro:

                                Kamala Harris’s leading VP candidate choice labelled ‘too pro-Israel’

                                Jewish governor Josh Shapiro’s support for the country and criticism of pro-Palestine protests could be an issue, say Left-wing journalists

                                https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/07/24/josh-shapiro-kamala-harris-leading-vp-candidate-pro-israel/

                                #99740 Reply
                                michael norton

                                  [ Mod: michael norton, you were clearly advised that your permission to post here would be revoked again if you resumed posting drivel on political threads. Consider it revoked. ]


                                  #99748 Reply
                                  AG

                                    Very good conversation between radio host Scott Horton and Matt Taibbi from July 18th, i.e. before Biden officially dropped out (though both are counting on it by then).

                                    “Ep. 6084 – Matt Taibbi on the Trump Assassination Attempt and Biden’s Likely Replacements – 7/18/24”
                                    45 min.
                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VxYPzU8a0c

                                    Covering a lot of ground ranging from the assassination attempt, to Russiagate, possible replacements for Biden, and including stuff I wasn´t aware of like the “Transition Integrity Project”, which was a war-game/simulation in the summer of 2020 by the Democrats for various scenarios how a Trump win in 2020 could be countered or a Trump uprising in case of his defeat (- they don´t mention the angle, but this connects to TATYANA´s comment last week that, I think, suggested that Jan. 6th could have contained staged elements or at least silent complicity by some places in law enforcement.)

                                    For “Transition Integrity Project” see:
                                    official site (hyperlink there):
                                    https://archive.is/VCiVU#selection-501.0-501.28
                                    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Transition_Integrity_Project

                                    NYT article on the Transition Integrity Project by Ben Smith which Taibbi mentions explicitly (I think Smith by now has left the NYT)
                                    “How the Media Could Get the Election Story Wrong
                                    We may not know the results for days, and maybe weeks. So it’s time to rethink “election night.””
                                    2/8/2020
                                    https://archive.is/otXfF

                                    #99749 Reply
                                    AG

                                      What I said recently:

                                      “The 1990s Were Worse Than You Remember”

                                      JACOBIN:
                                      By Paul M. Renfro

                                      “The Republican right has always contained a subcurrent hostile to multiracial democracy. In When the Clock Broke, writer John Ganz argues that this reactionary force flourished in the 1990s and is behind the emergence of Donald Trump’s right-wing populism.”

                                      https://archive.is/CfgX3

                                      Sounds oddly familiar:

                                      “(…)
                                      Though Ronald Reagan had ostensibly returned the United States to glory after the “malaise” of the 1970s, his policy program of “deregulation, tax cuts, high interest rates, and scaled-back social services” — not to mention hostility to labor unions amid widespread deindustrialization and offshoring — represented a form of “open class war waged on behalf of the rich,” Ganz writes. The rich won the war. While “the income of the top 1 percent grew by almost 75 percent” during the gilded ’80s, “the average income for 80 percent of American families declined,” Ganz explains. The poverty rate — especially for women, children, and people of color — spiked, just as the burgeoning carceral state increasingly served to discipline and warehouse the poor and the dispossessed.

                                      Against this backdrop of staggering inequality and selective austerity, con men, kooks, and conspiracists had a field day. Figures such as David Duke — and marginally less racist ones like Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh, and Jerry Falwell — connected with a disenchanted public through talk radio, daytime talk shows, cable TV, and other less traditional media. Less-heralded characters like Sam Francis and Murray Rothbard generally liked what they saw. For them, Duke, Buchanan, and other firebrands represented the vanguard of a movement to undo the liberal order forged through the New Deal and the Cold War. Francis, for his part, endorsed a “new nationalism” to dismantle both the “managerial” regime — a forerunner of sorts to the “PMC” — and the “globalism” that flowed from Francis Fukuyama’s supposed “end of history.” In Rothbard’s words, this incipient movement sought to “repeal the twentieth century.”
                                      (…)”

                                      #99760 Reply
                                      AG

                                        Interesting conversation again with Robert Barnes on THE DURAN on US politics.

                                        I especially liked the second half. He explains much about Harris. Contradicts much of what I stated previously, that e.g. Harris together with Biden outmaneuvered Obama, who can´t stand Biden and vice versa, and who thinks Harris won´t make it and wanted to push a new Primary as to prevent Trump II.

                                        Because Obama, allegedly, hates Trump for who he is and despises the Clintons for enabling Trump to ruin Obama´s legacy.
                                        Interesting psychology Barnes suggests. Barnes of course being a propagandist but an entertaining one and among the stuff I totally disagree with there is a lot to learn.

                                        Other examples: H. Clinton ending up as SCOTUS in case of a very unlikely Harris Nov. win? As a thank you.
                                        Buttigieg probably no VP to Harris, though he is very well embedded with the deep state and billionaires.
                                        Instead rather Pennsylvania Governor Shapiro now that Biden out Pennsylvania might be in danger.

                                        https://theduran.com/biden-passes-torch-to-kamala-w-robert-barnes-live-2/

                                        #99763 Reply
                                        AG

                                          “Briahna Joy Gray Exposes AOC’s Flip Flop and Kamala Harris’s Zionism”

                                          https://scheerpost.com/2024/07/26/briahna-joy-gray-exposes-aocs-flip-flop-and-kamala-harriss-zionism/

                                          17 min. video by System Update

                                          “While many young Democrats and liberals have become excited at the prospect of a Kamala Harris presidency, Briahna Joy Gray astutely breaks down the Vice President’s allegiance to Israel that Harris once described in her own words when she was still a Senator:

                                          “As long as I’m a United States Senator, I will do everything in my power to ensure broad and bipartisan support for Israel’s security and right to self-defense.”

                                          Gray also points out the hypocrisy in AOC’s flip flop on her 2024 campaign endorsements.”

                                          #99772 Reply
                                          AG

                                            Alex Christoforou/ THE DURAN
                                            summarizing Sy Hersh´s report on how Obama pushed Biden out.
                                            TC 4:30-8:00
                                            https://theduran.com/middle-east-escalation-hersh-obama-pulling-strings-putin-warns-germany-venezuela-iron-lady/
                                            paywalled original source
                                            https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas

                                            #99786 Reply
                                            AG

                                              Chris Hedges: Q&A on 2024 Election
                                              60 min.
                                              29/7/24
                                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqfCtFrQ2j0

                                              #99828 Reply
                                              AG

                                                “Project 2025 Contributors Are Abandoning Ship as Trump Turns Against Them
                                                Former Trump officials’ names and corporate affiliations have been scrubbed from Project 2025.”
                                                https://theintercept.com/2024/08/01/project-2025-trump-abandon-ship/

                                                #100014 Reply
                                                Jack

                                                  Seems like Harris will be a tough challenge for Trump
                                                  The “honeymoon” after the “heroic” Trump being shot went over quickly it seems…

                                                  Harris leading Trump in key states – poll

                                                  https://swentr.site/news/602430-harris-swing-state-poll/

                                                  JD Vance was a bad move by Trump, he gives a way an weak, immature image.

                                                  #100092 Reply
                                                  AG

                                                    “‘Turning Into the Super PAC Election’: Outside Spending Tops $1 Billion for 2024”
                                                    https://scheerpost.com/2024/08/17/turning-into-the-super-pac-election-outside-spending-tops-1-billion-for-2024/

                                                    “Empowered by the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission ruling allowing unlimited independent financial contributions to support political campaigns, outside spending during the current election cycle has hit a record $1 billion, according to a report published Thursday by the watchdog group OpenSecrets.

                                                    “Super PACs and other outside groups that can raise and spend unlimited sums of money have poured about $1.1 billion into 2024 federal elections as of August 15—nearly twice what similar groups spent over the same period in the 2020 presidential election cycle when independent expenditures hit an all-time record,” OpenSecrets said.”

                                                    #100093 Reply
                                                    Jack

                                                      Trump speak in fron of pro-israel convention, repeating the Hasbara 101:

                                                      Trump pledges support for Israel’s ‘war on terror’
                                                      https://swentr.site/news/602704-trump-israel-support-hamas/
                                                      Trump says Harris wants to ‘destroy Israel’ at ‘antisemitism’ event
                                                      Trump accused his rival Kamala Harris of wanting to ‘destroy’ Israel at an event hosted by the controversial Stop Antisemitism group
                                                      https://www.newarab.com/news/trump-says-harris-wants-destroy-israel-antisemitism-talk

                                                      Fanatical pro-israel billionaire in the background pulling the strings:
                                                      GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson plans to do whatever it takes to help Trump win with $100 million PAC

                                                      The donations came after the Adelsons saw access to Trump and policy wins under his administration, such as moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

                                                      https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/16/donald-trump-miriam-adelson-campaign-funding.html

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