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  • #98193 Reply
    AG

      Tatyana, E.T. et al.,

      you might not share Andrei Martyanov´s yelling (neither do I but I try to ignore it for the sake of his info) and he too is pretty relaxed.

      He calls the current huge chatter over the radar stations – however in the Western public only – Ukr. spy-ops. Which would contradict my inital opinion that this was 100% US controlled.

      So the question by E.T. earlier, whether this was Kiev mostly was justified.
      But after Sleboda´s and Simplicius´ dark warnings I was a bit more alarmed than I possibly should have been.

      In case anybody fancies his video from Monday:
      may be enought until TC 15:00
      https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2024/05/something-about-geometry.html

      #98194 Reply
      AG

        Simple RU tourists without relatives in Norway or business affiliatons there by May 29th may not enter Norway.
        See TASS news agency:

        “In Norway, a ban on entry into the country for tourists from Russia came into force”
        https://tass-ru.translate.goog/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/20931909

        “It’s almost summer and we don’t want Russians to be able to travel to Norway or other Schengen countries simply as tourists in the absence of compelling reasons [while the conflict continues in Ukraine],” said the head of the country’s Ministry of Justice and Public Security, Emily Enger Mehl, earlier.”

        #98198 Reply
        H.

          Tatyana, as I am sure you know, Baron Rothschild ended up with all of Khordorkovsky’s shares in Yukos when Khodorkovsky was arrested – https://archive.is/nqpq4 – (worth a cool $13.5 billion). Russia then slapped a tax-bill on Yukos, effectively bankrupting it.

          I see some blogs say that The Washington Post, in October 2003 wrote that:

          “In dollar terms, we are witnessing the largest illegal expropriation of Jewish property in Europe since the Nazi pogroms of the 1930s.”

          – but I cannot find that in their archives. Anyone else with better luck?

          #98199 Reply
          H.

            all of the shares in Yukos -> all of Khodorkovsky’s shares in Yukos


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            #98207 Reply
            Tatyana

              no, H., I didn’t know.
              I am amazed by the very phrase ‘Jewish property’!

              When this country got rid of the monarchy and the horribly unfair exploitation of the people by privileged elites (and this also coincided with the First World War and also provoked a civil war in the country) – then common people took responsibility for the future of the country. It was decided to make efforts towards industrialization, which was a Herculean task in those conditions after all those destructive events. Firstly, there were not enough qualified specialists, because education existed only for the upper classes, and those chose emigration, either did not cooperate with the new government, or simply deliberately caused harm. Secondly, the conflict-ravaged country lacked funding.

              So ordinary people simply buckled down and did all this work with their own hands. If you ask ex-Soviet people, they will tell you about student construction teams, about Komsomol members in the construction of the Baikal-Amur Railway, about volunteers in the construction of dams and power facilities and much more.
              (My father is born 1947, he tells a lot about that. His father, aka my granddad Vasily, was a Cossack. It was normal then for cossacks to do agricultural things using a horse! My granddad went to study mechanics and became a tractor driver. Being a guy of the most respected job, and also he could play the accordion, my granddad easily won my grandma’s heart)

              Large properties were built by the labor of the citizens of this country and were owned by the state, a concept that people from capitalist countries rarely understand. You build something together and you trust your state to do management of the property.

              During the period of privatization, the rights to this property were transferred to private individuals for very little money, and these private individuals, like Baron Rothschild, are not even citizens of Russia.

              #98208 Reply
              Jack

                AG

                “In Norway, a ban on entry into the country for tourists from Russia came into force”

                It is sickening how racism have become so normalized that politicians could discriminate this openly against certain nationalities without any criticism by anyone. Just imagine if someone called for banning israelis to travel within europe.
                In the end of the day liberals hate and dehumanize russians as much as much as rightwingers hate and dehumanize muslims. Interestingly they both use the same arguments “we are not racists!”.

                #98211 Reply
                Tatyana

                  And now this bastard Khodor sits in front of the camera admiring himself and proudly tells how he served as a sock toy for Rothschild, and facilitated the transfer of people’s property to him, and also kept the profits from this property from flowing into the state treasury. Pidaras*. While he was getting rich, we were starving.
                  And now he sits in London and gathers around him a circle of support from those people who hate Putin for his efforts to return to the people of Russia what should belong to them.

                  *I hope you don’t mind some linguistics.
                  Pidaras – a Russian obscene word. Spelling should be ‘pedoras’, but the word is usually written as we hear it. We pronounce ‘i’ instead of ‘e’ and ‘a’ instead of ‘o’ in weak syllables. Ethymologycally it comes from the word ‘pedophile’. It changed with time into ‘pedic’ and some other derivatives, and the meaning shifted for all people with sexual deviations. In Russia now we use it simply as an expression of strong negative characteristic, vs normal neutral word ‘gay’. See a joke:
                  Syoma, you heard, Moishe turned out to be a pidaras!
                  – What? Do you mean he borrowed money and won’t pay it back?
                  – No, I mean the good sense of the word!

                  #98216 Reply
                  Tatyana

                    As for taxes, our government is today discussing a progressive tax scale. The standard income tax is now 13%, there is a project to oblige rich people to pay from 15% to 22%.
                    Society reacted positively. There are even T-shirts on sale with the print “about me: personal income tax 15%” 🙂
                    Social networks are remaking old memes where girls look at a guy, and one girl whispers something in the ear of her friend, both girls with extremely enthusiastic and excited facial expression.
                    Previously, the captions for such pictures said that the girls were discussing the size of the penis, now the text talks about the size of the personal income tax.

                    As to Khodorkovsky the Pidoras, I wish him to suffer from diarrhea for the rest of his miserable life. Together with Kolomoysky, Berezovsky, Abramovsky, and Co.

                    #98217 Reply
                    michael norton

                      E.U. thinks Russia is underhandedly trying to influence the E.U. coming Elections.

                      “Whether EU lawmakers were bribed to promote Russian propaganda to undermine support for Ukraine”
                      https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240529-%F0%9F%94%B4-police-search-the-european-parliament-over-possible-russian-interference

                      Has anyone considered that the West is trying to destablise Russia.

                      I guess this is more about unhappiness in the European Union than underhandedness by Russia, but is part of a playbook.

                      #98222 Reply
                      AG

                        Jack

                        absolutely but this total lack of due process (to treat everyone equal) goes by unnoticed.
                        They just would have to replace the nationality as you did and at once it would become clear to anyone.
                        The permanence of “worthy victims vs unworthy” is the most sickening aspect of this. Since it so obviously contradicts fundamentals of the liberal (in its true original sense) social order they by these coercive and discriminating measures claim to protect. We know of course they couldn´t care less about any of those rights and liberties and protections. It´s all just rhetoric. Today it´s pro-Palestine protesters and Russians who are banned from travelling. Tomorrow it´s people who are against the EU surveillance state and after that those who are in favour of labour rights.

                        In “Spaceballs” it was air to breath you had to pay for. It´s a different aspect of control. But the levels of absurdity of fiction and reality are corresponding ever more: “The arc of the moral universe bends towards hipocrisy.”

                        #98246 Reply
                        H.

                          This is absolute madness, Western leaders are working for WW III:
                          https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/30/biden-ukraine-weapons-strike-russia-00160731

                          While we send Ukrainian men back to be cannon-fodder:
                          https://nitter.poast.org/Glenn_Diesen/status/1796117492865081661#m

                          (Btw, the above Glenn Diesen, a Norwegian professor of Russian, is effectively banned from all Norwegian MSM. He has been consistently right in his predictions, but MSM only wants to voice those who have been consistently wrong)
                          Madness.

                          #98247 Reply
                          AG

                            Since you refer to the Politico thingy I ran through it.
                            What is so maddening is an ultimate phrase as this:

                            “In a discussion with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Wednesday, Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov made a “hard push” to use U.S. weapons in Russia, according to a person with knowledge of the call.”

                            As if in the adult world Umerov could push anything except a shopping-cart.
                            Still they do everything to uphold the veil of sovereignty by UKR. How can I take such media seriously?

                            They don´t even bother any more to point out:

                            1) the overly used image of “boiling the frog”, which this is about (muting the fact that all of this has long been fact on the ground)
                            2) talking about Kharkhov means not to talk about Crimea. Because – as we know – Crimea is regarded as legitimate target. Nobody gives a damn about Kharkhov. And the Russians don´t want to destroy that city. This is about ramping up attacks against Crimea.

                            All this to put pressure on the Western publics who shall witness the brutality of RU when they strike back possibly hitting civil targets in Kharkhov.

                            Of course this Politico is not about an outright order to attack RU big style. They´re too smart for that. And actually – too incompetent too in military terms.

                            #98248 Reply
                            Jack

                              Hungary seems to be the only nation in the west that talk sense about Ukraine. I really like their foreign minister, he does not mince the words, always telling the obvious truths about the war:

                              Hungarian FM Peter Szijjarto believes that Washington and London will stir up war hysteria at an upcoming NATO foreign ministers meeting
                              The Friday event is likely to only lead to further escalation, the nation’s top diplomat warned, adding that it could create an extremely dangerous situation.

                              European colleagues [have] plunged … into an ever-deeper pit of war psychosis, and I believe that the presence of the Americans and British will only stimulate this hysterical state,” Szijjarto said in Brussels. The minister also stated that he expected the meeting on Friday to be “surrounded by a more pro-war atmosphere than ever before.” Such an atmosphere would create the conditions for “more crazy ideas to get support,” he warned.

                              According to Szijjarto, allowing Kiev to use Western weapons to strike deep inside Russia is one such crazy idea. The Russian military has no shortage of such weapons of its own and will “shoot back,” he said. “What will the result be? More deaths. Arms shipments increase the number of weapons on both sides of the frontline and cause more deaths.”

                              https://swentr.site/news/598510-crazy-nato-ideas-eu-state/

                              Hungary also prove that you could have good relations with Russia today even though there were friction historically, during the Soviet times (Hungary uprising 1956 etc).
                              Something for the warmongering balts, poles to think about.

                              #98252 Reply
                              Tatyana

                                People have been living on this planet for too long, so all countries have had “friction” with someone. Take the USA for example, who fought for independence with Britain. Today they look like best friends.
                                I believe that the ability to put aside emotions, forget grievances, make a plan for how to live side by side – is a sign of adults.
                                But there’re categories of people who carry their grievances as the most important thing in their lives, as if this is their mission for centuries.
                                The Russian word for it is ‘ущемленные’ *disadvantaged.
                                I see this becoming a national idea for entire ethnic groups and states. Maybe they get some kind of preferences for this? Maybe they want to be a little crying kitten that everyone pets and gives him treats?
                                Some commentator once said that Russia causes fear in other countries because it is too big, and it would be safer if all countries were small (I thought to myself “yes, let’s turn the world into a kindergarten for little kittens, so that one Chihuahua feels safe there”).

                                Today one gets up early in the morning, because our kids pass Math exam in schools. And learn from the news that Ukraine launched 5 missiles and 30 drones on my region and there’s fire some 140 km away from me, 2 people are reported injured so far. I wish all those US senators together with Biden were in that fire. I’ll add Borrell there, he is fat and would burn brightly.

                                #98258 Reply
                                Jack

                                  Tatyana

                                  Exactly, Estonia, Poland, Lativa, Lithuania (I assume in that order too) national sport seems to be the constant grievences against anything russian, looking outside it looks so petty, pathetic and immature. If you have a problem with someone, you deal with it, you work out some compromise, you bury the hatchet. But many of these people are so indoctrinated with hatred from their parents, grandparents, stories, about evil russians have been told for generations. What hold these nations together is the hatred against anything russian, one wonder what would happen if it would be possible to remove that factor? Perhaps they would start fighting against each other.

                                  I live in Sweden, and the most hawkish propagandists are those journalists with ties to the baltics/poland/ukraine and vicinity obviously trying to get back at the russians for past personal historical reasons.

                                  Also, Russia is not going anywhere, so why not simply make peace? It seems like war is the prefereable option than peace for these small states, but if push comes to shove they will be puliverized in a war so I do not get the cockyness by these regimes.

                                  What is also evident is that these regimes have zero self-criticism, everything Russia do according to them is a threat, while everything they themselves do is legitimate.

                                  #98259 Reply
                                  Jack

                                    The idiocy in the west is so dangerous:

                                    Ukrainian troops are likely to start firing US-donated weapons at targets in Russia’s Belgorod Region this week, after Washington relaxed restrictions on where they can be used, reports in the Western press have confirmed.
                                    US President Joe Biden previously maintained that to avoid “World War III,” American arms sent to Ukraine could not target what the US considers Russian territory. The policy change allows Kiev to attack exclusively military targets that pose a direct threat to Kharkov Region, which borders Russia’s Belgorod Region and has seen intense fighting this month. Russian troops made significant territorial gains in the area.

                                    https://swentr.site/news/598547-biden-ukraine-new-reality/

                                    Note that^ west have earlier claimed that using western arms against Russia proper could bring WW3, still they now take this move anyway! The wester is so obsessed with loss of prestige that they would pick nuclear war over a peaceful compromise/solution regarding Ukraine.

                                    Absurdly it is hard not to agree with this extremist claim:

                                    Dmitry Suslov: It’s time for Russia to think about a ‘demonstrative’ nuclear test
                                    The US-led bloc has lost its fear of the mushroom cloud, but seeing one would perhaps focus some minds

                                    https://swentr.site/russia/598488-us-russia-nuclear-bomb/

                                    How can people in the west that fought against nuclear weapons last decade of the Cold War now almost embracing a looming nuclear war?!

                                    #98261 Reply
                                    Tatyana

                                      Nukes may be an option, at least it looks like it might be an option in this mad crooked mindset of War Lovers. I mean, the USA used nukes on Japan and look how perfectly it worked! Now Japan and US are friends, I’ve read somewhere on the Unternet that young Japanese believe it was USSR who nuked them!

                                      #98275 Reply
                                      DunGroanin

                                        MoA still on sick leave (get well b if you reading, we need you at full health so no rushing back) so I am going to post this here.

                                        As we witness the last Western imperial colony running amok exterminating their fake amaluk mythical enemies. Having they burnt their fake Red Heiffers, nothing has been mentioned for a few weeks or the now the Ancient Greek God Poseidon having pulled rank and destroyed US built jetty in Gaza …we appear to be edging closer to the eschatological ravings of the ‘rock and roll free world’ fantasy.

                                        Apparently Shelenski’s going to Saudi this weekend all of a sudden!
                                        Is he the new Go-Between for the Zionazis now? Seeing as Blinken and co all got the low grade hospitality when they attempted to flex the old muscle.
                                        The ukronazi clown show goes to the desert to make his next appearance . Will he be dancing with a sword, finally put on a new costume, have a kinky sex video with a camel?

                                        Meanwhile the shapeshifters ‘Niki and Netanyahoo’ with their shapeshifters changed names had the most execrable staged lovey dovey, interaction (usually reserved for hard core corny porn movies as setting the stage before quickly gettind down and dirty as usual) the porn in this case being the mass murder and genocide porn. Niki as Stormy and Nutty as the well hung porn dude on viagra … ugly picture sorry, but not as vomit inducing as the reality.

                                        ‘🇮🇱🇺🇸 This video of Netanyahu talking to Nikki Haley will literally give you brain damage.
                                        🔴 @DDGeopolitics’
                                        https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/111997

                                        It is sickening to watch, my eyeballs hurt after the first seconds.

                                        It seems the Collective Wastes Rules Based masters have yet again decided to escalate as they lose faster daily, towards a worldwide conflagration they always had in mind. The conflation of the illegal apartheid entity’s white supremacy war in the Levant , MENA with the ukro natzios losing Russophobic conflict by escalation and sabre rattling Eurosatraps petty napoleons and just as deadly lady Hitlers the escalation in Asia Pacific …

                                        The destruction of ballistic nuclear missile early warning radar and announcement of direct western weapons against RF is a further proding of the Bear to get another ‘unprovoked’ attack (retaliation) against natzio proxy countries in Europe!
                                        The golf balls housing US equivalents in Yorkshire will certainly swallow a couple of hypersonics and is probably expected.

                                        Then it’s game over, as the shapeshifters make their escape in the ensuing smoke and flames.

                                        The talk of conscription across Europe and US is obviously linked. The many elections which are being rigged across the Collective Waste all point to such an escalation – an all out war against EurAsia and the unstoppable Multipolar Law Based World Order.

                                        Like boiling frogs we are being cooked.

                                        We’ll soon see if the newly elected governments of South Africa and India renege on their posturing on Palestine and RF, once they have fooled the voters again by throwing their populations and nations under the bus of worldwide conflict, on the wrong side.
                                        It happened with Meloni as it will with our very own GKD being installed at No10.
                                        It is likely with the further coordinated rise of euro fascism political parties in their elections.

                                        I doubt if the Humpty Dumpties will get off the wall on the right side and choose a future with the majority of humanity. Do we really have to go through mass destruction and hundreds of millions dead and radioactive landscapes for the Old to Die so the New can finally be Born?

                                        How many British and European brainwashed youngsters have to die in a futile war they have zero stake in? Why isn’t it a central election issue? Except for the Great Knight Dope declaring that the poxy UK nukes which have US control over is something he would use!

                                        US bombs and British forces are directly involved in the mass murders of Palestinians and the at least half million minced ukranians. There is no getting away from that criminality. We won’t be allowed. Real History will record it for ever.

                                        #98276 Reply
                                        michael norton

                                          Yes, the only state ever to have nuclear bombed another country was The United States of America.

                                          Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Nato countries, especially the U.S.A. and several European countries, had “entered a new round of escalating tension and they are doing this deliberately”, in remarks quoted by the Tass news agency.

                                          “They are in every possible way provoking Ukraine to continue this senseless war.”

                                          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceqq2zn3zw6o

                                          The only way the Russia Ukraine war can continue, is is other countries “help” militarily aid Ukraine to continue this fight to the death.
                                          For anything to remain as a rump state, they must get talking with Russia, stop listening to Biden/NATO.

                                          #98280 Reply
                                          Tatyana

                                            Ukraine cannot talk to Russia, they have nobody to do so.
                                            Firstly, Ze signed a decree forbidding any negotiations. Secondly, Ze’s presidential term ended on May 20th.
                                            If there was any desire to start peace negotiations today, who would be legitimate side of the treaty from Ukraine?

                                            Another point, what is legal ground of giving weapons to a country, whose Commander-in-Chief’s term has expired?

                                            Today’s article in the Wall Street Journal says:
                                            “U.S. Allows Ukraine to Carry Out Limited Strikes Inside Russia With American Weapons”
                                            https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/u-s-allows-ukraine-to-strike-inside-russia-with-american-weapons-72a3f8a1

                                            Friends, in the beginning of this war there were many discussions with arguments about Ukraine’s right to be a part of NATO. Mr Murray said Russia started this war pointlessly, because Sweden and Finland joined NATO.
                                            I dare say, we have no issues with Sweden or Finland, but with Ukraine it’s different.
                                            I think by now it’s crystal clear that Russia doesn’t fight Ukraine, but NATO in Ukraine.

                                            Tomorrow you most probably will live another good Saturday, while I’m not sure I’ll do. If so, please promise you will write a nice necrology here 🙂 Say, Tatyana blames one Demented Mummy, one Scary Clown, one Fat Gardener and a Dude from US Congress Who Had Too Much Fingers

                                            #98282 Reply
                                            Jack

                                              What do Ukraine expect to happen if they target some important site in Russia? How on earth could they understand that Russia would not only respond but would respond tenfold to every such strike by Ukraine?
                                              Russia should make that clear in a televised message by Putin. That if Ukraine strike vital targets in Russia with the long-range western weapons, Russia will start taking out vital targets in Ukraine. And by vital, we are now on the level that Russia is such a situation have no option than to attack ukrainian military command, ministers.
                                              Above all, Russia must gather intelligence better being able to strike the missiles being delivered to Ukraine by the west. Take them out as soon as they are on ukrainian soil. That should be a nobrainer for Russia.

                                              It is interesting also how quickly the narrative have changed in the west, from the cocky, arrogant bs: “RuZZia is about to lose haha they are fighting with shovels haha they have no ammo! slava ukraini!” to “if Russia win they will invade us in the EU!”.

                                              #98284 Reply
                                              michael norton

                                                Presently we have an unexpected General Election in The United Kingdom. Even Conservative members of parliament were backfooted. Now, there are no M.P.’s Parliament is suspended. So, no use writing to your M.P. because he no longer is an M.P. Maybe, Democracy has also ben suspended.
                                                There is no discernable mention of the Ukraine War or the part The United Kingdom has been playing to crush Russia.
                                                It is an old playbook.
                                                Britain fought Russia in Crimea in 1853 – 1856.

                                                This I guess was about curtailing the emerging Russian Empire taking over the Turkish Empire.
                                                Britain did not want Russia to become more powerful than the British Empire, note Britain was fighting Russia in the Crimea, Britain was not fighting Ukraine, Ukraine did not exist as an entity.

                                                #98287 Reply
                                                Jack

                                                  Adding to this discussion^^, it is amazing how clueless the west is of the world and how little self-criticism they employ, they never try to see the conflict from the other side: an important trait any diplomat should have, instead west just push on.
                                                  So western arms, are openly given to Ukraine, murdering russian soldiers and russian civilians.
                                                  What if Russia, Iran, Syria, North Korea, China etc gave Iraq weapon during the US invasion of Iraq? Killing, maiming americans? Aiding weapons to Iraq that could target US mainland? It would be a escalation right?! But when the west actually do that, it is almost no one in the political class that protest!

                                                  Remember some years ago, now debunked, about the alleged Russian bounty on american soldiers in Afghanistan, the west considered that controversial and horrible move by Russia. But the same goes on on a much larger scale in Ukraine where western advisors aid and abett Ukraine where to strike to kill russian soldiers.

                                                  #98290 Reply
                                                  Tatyana

                                                    I imagine the howl if Putin mirrored that Estonian dude, went to some media for an interview and stated ‘we should bring Esonians to their knees’

                                                    I thought we can also recall some cute things from our common past, like Estonia was part of Russia since 1720 and only became independent after Bolshevik Revolution. If they are now so unhappy, lets think together how to fix things back to normal 😀

                                                    #98298 Reply
                                                    Jack

                                                      Tatyana

                                                      Yes bring Estonia to its knee and also cut it in pieces and hurt ordinary estonians (as the estonian PM urged the west to do with Russia):

                                                      Alar Karis urges the West to keep up pressure on ordinary Russian citizens, to force political “change” in Moscow

                                                      Last week Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas suggested that the conflict between Moscow and Kiev should end with the breakup of the Russian Federation into separate states, arguing that it would bring “a change in society.” She repeatedly urged NATO nations to keep “all options on the table” to ensure that Moscow “loses the war.”

                                                      https://swentr.site/russia/598266-eu-states-president-pledges-to/

                                                      These type of lunatics should not run countries, they are way too immature.

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