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In that thread people argued on the argument that I’ve seen used against Russia, including by Mr. Murrey himself. Namely, that the decision to start the SMO only led to NATO expansion, meaning Finland’s membership.
As it turns out, the placement of permanent NATO bases in the Baltics is limited by law, by some agreements, and is not limited in the case of Ukraine or Georgia.
Unfortunately, the topic starter also mentioned the time it would take for missiles to reach Moscow from the territory of Ukraine and the Baltic states. So the discussion turned to a comparison of distances, maps, cartographic distortions, Mercator projections, outrage over the importance of the danger to Moscow when there are cities much closer to the border like Kursk or Belgorod… and the discussion never produced any concrete references to treaties, sorry.
I’d be glad if anyone could find these NATO-Russia treaties on Nato bases
So of the prospect of peace under Trump, Biden try to sabotage that by approving long-distance missile attacks on Russia. Disgusting, reckless. Do Biden even know what he just did?
At the same time, I do not understand what Ukraine could achive with these missiles? Sure they could send one against Moscow. But what will happen then is that Russia will respond, sending more missiles against Kiev etc. And Russia have the upper hand + more missiles so Ukraine could not be a winner regarding this missile-war.
On top of it, it says alot when Russia still do not could target and taking out these long-distance missiles as soon as they reach ukrainian soil. Terrible military-intelligence.
Ukraine fires first barrage of US-made long-range missiles into Russia, Kremlin says
President Biden gave Ukraine permission to use the weapons on Russian soilJust like that Ukraine could not hold itself from escalating the situation.
So what did this long-range missile attack result in? How is this possibly a game-changer for Ukraine?! It is riduclous. The only result is the destruction of Ukraine since Russia is still stronger than Ukraine and will always be.I think it will provide the western MSM with propaganda headlines for a few days, which is probably what they want to divert attention from the Israeli bombing of Lebanon, and human clearance of northern Gaza to create a terrorist-free passage for the oil & gas pipelines.
It is all childish computer games to them. Except that the dead do not come alive again when they press “game restart”. I doubt they care anyway, as their belief is the planet is overpopulated and needs a few billion to be ‘disappeared’ by any means possible.
Isn’t this all predicted in the Bible? The good will die young and the evil ones will be left to fight it out amongst themselves? I just wonder what horrors I committed in a past life to have been left to witness this battle of the Antichrists?
Fat Jon
Exactly, this will be something the media/politicians could cling on for a period of time. When Trump won the other week it felt like the situation in Ukraine would actually become better, it was a sense of relief, that the warmongering and the war itself, would die off, that the whole charade regarding Ukraine would finally come to an end. And now this. On top of it this missile-deal was of course signed off by the dementia-suffering Biden. Like, does he even know what he did?
If Joe Biden does not go what is going on, then who is making the decisions?
Somebody is trying to start a war between America and Russia to fuck up Trump’s chances of making peace with Russia.The same people who have been making the decisions throughout Biden’s presidency, I suspect.
Biden (or rather his handlers) keep escalating, announce that US will provide Ukraine with landmines
Biden to send controversial weapons to Ukraine – media
The anti-personnel landmines will help “blunt” Russian progress, US officials have claimedhttps://swentr.site/news/607912-biden-landmines-transfer-ukraine/
And some more leaks on the Nordstream attack
Nord Stream saboteurs linked to CIA – Spiegel
US intelligence spent years training agents in Ukraine while trying to keep it secret from Moscow, the German outlet claimsA Ukrainian group that is allegedly behind the Nord Stream gas pipelines’ explosion in September 2022 has had “longstanding connections” to the CIA, Der Spiegel reported in a lengthy piece published on Wednesday. US agents trained some members of the sabotage team for many years, including its purported mastermind, Roman Chervinsky, according to the German outlet.
https://swentr.site/news/607944-nord-stream-saboteurs-linked-cia/
Of course the americans were in on it, absurd to see germany and the whole europe blaming Russia for the attack, when it was their “ally” the US, that now force them to buy gas from the US to much higher price!
Sir Keir Starmer, who is in Brazil, has allowed Ukraine to fire Storm Shadow into Russia.
michael norton
It was approved earlier this fall but it sure seems Ukraine used them today against Russia.
In other news:
Ukraine’s top general approved attack on TurkStream gas pipeline – Der Spiegel
Valery Zaluzhny was reportedly so “impressed” with the Nord Stream sabotage plan that he wanted to “expand” the operationhttps://swentr.site/news/607949-ukrainian-top-general-attack-turkstream/
What is going on regarding Ukraine now seems to be nothing but a coup by the deep-state/Biden:
Approval of long-distance attacks, Landmines and now Biden announce he will scrap the 4.7 USD Billion debt Ukraine own US taxpayers:Biden seeking to forgive Ukraine’s debts
https://swentr.site/news/607956-biden-forgives-ukraine-debts/
Part of reason seems to be Biden’s deliberate plan to sabotage as much as possible pre the Trump presidency but also Biden is obviously more mentally detached than ever – its like he is not “there” anymore which makes the situation much more dangerous.
Ex-US general calls for ‘urgent’ early removal of Biden
Donald Trump’s former national security advisor, Michael Flynn, wants to “stop the madness before WWIII is irreversible”https://swentr.site/news/607955-biden-impeach-remove-flynn/
Pollster Nate Silver calls on Biden to resign after claiming he isn’t ‘competent to be president right now’
“Is there any particular reason to assume Biden is competent to be president right now? It’s a very difficult job. It’s a dangerous world. Extremely high-stakes decisions in Ukraine. He should resign and let Harris serve out the last 2 months,” Silver wrote on X Wednesday.Russia is not doing good either. time and time again they claim that these long-distance missiles are red-lines but then when the attacks occur and Russia do nothing about it, west keep calling their bluff and just emboldened Ukraine/West:
British state media confirms ‘Storm Shadow’ strike deep inside Russia
The UK has allegedly followed the US in allowing Kiev to freely use Western long-range weaponshttps://swentr.site/news/607954-uk-storm-shadows-strike-russia/
Monkeys throw feces at their enemies, and we throw hazelnuts. Does this mean we are more civilized?
I bring here some points from the article by Kirill Strelnikov:
The platform is given to “Oreshnik”: Putin will not say anything moreIn the conflict in Ukraine and in the area of international security, the last page has apparently been opened, after which it will be written either “The End” or “And they lived happily ever after.”
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What was that?
The strike was carried out by the newest Russian medium-range missile Oreshnik, against which the West and especially Ukraine have no defense and will not have in the foreseeable future. The missile was used in a non-nuclear version (for now). According to experts, Oreshnik is a development of the RSD-10 Pioneer system: launch range – up to 5000 kilometers; capacity – 150 kilotons (200 Hiroshimas); probable deviation from the target – 50 meters (but this makes no difference). Warhead speed: 10 Machs (two to three kilometers per second). Flight time: Great Britain – 19 minutes, Poland – 8 minutes; Belgium – 14 minutes; Germany – 11 minutes. Cannot be shot down, no escape, no safe place.Why was the strike carried out?
The conflict in Ukraine became global after the Western missile strike on Russia (on November 19 with six ATACMS missiles and on November 20 with Storm Shadow missiles). It’s impossible to launch these without Western specialists, which means that the countries in question have consciously become parties to the conflict with all the ensuing consequences. Russia has repeatedly (!) warned its Western “partners” that such steps are unacceptable, but the West has taken the path of escalation, which is why a final warning is necessary.What does Russia want?
Moscow prefers a peaceful development of events and consistently advocates de-escalation, including nuclear. Russia hopes that its final warning will be heard and that common sense and the instinct for self-preservation will prevail in the West. Even now, Russia is ready to negotiate a peaceful solution to the conflict. Pick up the phone, press the buttons, say “hello”.What will happen if Russia’s warnings and appeals are not heard?
Russia has the right to use weapons against military facilities of countries that use their weapons against us. The Russian president said clearly: “If anyone doubts this, they are wrong. There will always be a response.”Isn’t Moscow afraid that NATO will declare war on Russia?
No. We are ready for any scenario.How will a strike by Western missiles deep into Russian territory affect the situation in the SMO zone?
It will have no effect.Russia warned the West about the launch 30 minutes in advance via the Nuclear Risk Reduction Center, although we have no such obligations. Moreover, our president promised to warn the civilians of Ukraine in advance if it was suddenly necessary to make more launches.
Meanwhile, the following signals are coming from Washington: “The US does not see any signs that Moscow is preparing to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine”; “Washington does not see the need to change its nuclear doctrine, despite Russia’s new decisions of this kind”; “The US will continue to allocate new packages of weapons to Ukraine and work to speed up their delivery” and, most importantly, “The launch of a Russian missile will not have a restraining effect on Washington’s policy towards Ukraine.”
Well, if you believe the Daily Mail (unlikely under any circumstances, I know) WW3 has already begun….
The name of the missile, Oreshnik (hazelnut) surprised many, or rather, when Putin gave his speech about this strike, he allowed a faint expression on his face when speaking about the name Oreshnik. Native Russians interpret this expression unambiguously – there is something ironic in the name. But what?
Undoubtedly, people began to look for explanations, recalling folklore, associations, and the like. Until today, someone on Pikabu posted this:‘Listen, Man-cub,’ said the Bear, and his voice rumbled like thunder on a hot night. ‘I have taught thee all the Law of the Jungle for all the peoples of the Jungle—except the Monkey-Folk who live in the trees. They have no Law. They are outcasts.
They have no speech of their own, but use the stolen words which they overhear when they listen, and peep, and wait up above in the branches.
Their way is not our way.
They are without leaders.
They have no remembrance.
They boast and chatter and pretend that they are a great people about to do great affairs in the Jungle, but the falling of a nut turns their minds to laughter and all is forgotten.’
Rudyard Kipling, The Jungle BookWas very popular in USSR, there was great animation film made of it. Monkey-Folk landed in our culture under the name Bander-log, which is similar to Bandera, the Nazi and the hero of Ukraine.
France give green light for using longd-istance missiles
France gives Ukraine green light for long-range missile strikes
Paris places no “red lines” on its support for Kiev, Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot has saidhttps://swentr.site/news/608106-france-ukraine-permission-missiles/
These people rather pick nuclear war, mass death than de-escalation, peace in Ukraine.
How could they believe Ukraine could win military against Russia, it is so stupid, so dangerous!Let say Ukraine even fire a missile and kill Putin. Do west then believe that the next Russian leader would not respond in kind by taking out Zelensky and his government, or rather even respond worse by massive destruction of Kiev itself?!
Ukraine cannot simply win this game, it is absurd how corrupt the collective west have become through and through.
Our rulers certainly do choose nuclear war, because they all have well stocked bunkers to go to.
They need to half the population of the planet, in order to reverse global warming and have far more space to relax in without having to worry about drinking water and food riots across the globe.
They also don’t fancy grappling with mass unemployment and have the capability with AI and robots to do all the chores for which humans demand payment.
